Python vs. Model 27-2 for shooting


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bushmaster1313
February 9, 2011, 09:15 AM
The Pythons have gotten very pricey and a lot of them are advertised as "minty" or "LNIB"

The Model 27's are lower in price, more available, and a lot of them actually appear to have been put through their paces at the range.

Am I correct that a 3.5 inch Model 27-2 is better deal than a 4" Python if my goal is fun at the range?

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Guillermo
February 9, 2011, 10:03 AM
The Smith is heavier and cheaper.

Since you are not carrying it the weight is not a primary issue. Being as how it is cheaper go with Smith. Besides, if it breaks you can buy parts anywhere.

Deanimator
February 9, 2011, 10:18 AM
You can still get the S&W fixed for a sane price, and they still make parts for it.

DM~
February 9, 2011, 10:43 AM
You can still get the S&W fixed for a sane price, and they still make parts for it.


And, most of the internal parts interchange with the 29's and other "N" frames, so that = parts forever!

Bottom line is, i've heard of Pythons having timeing/reliability problems when shot a huge amount, yet the old 27's just don't have that problem. Back when i was heavy into competition shooting i owned 3 or 4 Pythons, and they were not as smooth or as nice to shoot as my old 27's, so the Pythons are long gone, and my two 27's are still here and have won a lot of long range matches.

The oldest 357 mag. "N" frames were/are the finest revolvers ever built, and well worth seeking out.

DM

chuckfw
February 9, 2011, 10:57 AM
Still have two Pythons left in my safe, and I still enjoy shooting them both. I do like the S&W 27, but the Python is and always will be "King" of the revolvers. Tighter cylinder lockup when the trigger is pulled. For both guns... they are sturdy, parts are available if needed, accurate and reliable. The Python has the sharper looks and is more in demand. That seems to be a lot of bull about the Python having timing and reliability problems.... just not true. In fact, with the tightening of the cylinder when the trigger is pulled, it will outshoot the 27. To answer your question.... while both are fun at the range, the Python is the more desirable, that's why the higher price.

brnmuenchow
February 9, 2011, 11:08 AM
"Python" is the best ever, however if you are doing high volume shooting get the Smith you won't cry as bad when something wears out. The Python is great but it is expensive even used like most are. I actually run .38Spl. through mine from time to time when I am running through the round's.

savit260
February 9, 2011, 12:01 PM
I'm a Python guy myself, however don't overlook the S&W 586. This is a more comparable revolver to the Python IMO. Not quite as "Premium" as the 27 or Python, but size and function wise, pretty close to the Python for a lot less money.

DM~
February 9, 2011, 12:36 PM
In fact, with the tightening of the cylinder when the trigger is pulled, it will outshoot the 27.


That sure hasn't been my experience! I've shot in a lot of long range pistol matches, i won 13 in a row, and i never lost to a Python, not even one time. On top of that, i owned Pythons, and i assure you, if they outshot my 27's i would have switched in a heart beat!

Pythons sure weren't king where i lived, or in any circles i shot in...

DM

pdawg.shooter
February 9, 2011, 01:52 PM
My 4" blue Python (1961 vintage) has many thousand full power rounds through it and it is still tighter than any new S&W I have ever owned. I woldn't trade it for ANY other revolver.

Guillermo
February 9, 2011, 02:01 PM
Guys,

The OP was asking specifically about a range toy. Let us not turn this into another Python battle.

We all know how they go

"Pythons are best"

"are not"

"Are too"

"Pythons are fragile"

"Are not"

"are too"



Different tools for different jobs.

A Model 27 would be an outstanding range toy.
Easier to find parts for which is important for his application.
Require less of an investment which would free up money for ammo.
Anyone can work on a Smith.

Peter M. Eick
February 9, 2011, 05:58 PM
I have to be a contrarian.

Colts are made to be shot.

S&W's are made to be collected.

I shoot my Python a ton compared to the rounds I put down my Pre-27's. Good 5 screw S&W's are rare and nice ones like I would buy are rarer still. I would not shoot my collector pieces much at all.

Pythons are common (at least here in Texas). If I wanted one this afternoon, I could go to any of 3 local gun stores and have at least 3 in each store to pick from. I know of only one store that has any selection of Pre-27's ready to buy. Even they only have one or two worth considering.

Nope, Python's are shooter guns. Easy to come by, easy to shoot.

Besides, the dang things are accurate!

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/python_tb.jpg

50 shots, 15 yrds offhand.

bushmaster1313
February 9, 2011, 09:07 PM
Got the 27-2
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/bushmaster1313/272.jpg

Shear_stress
February 9, 2011, 09:16 PM
Got the 27-2

Good on ya. Hard to turn down a gun like that.

Jenrick
February 9, 2011, 09:25 PM
Peter M. Eick: Pythons down Austin-San Antonio way aren't too common. If you can find that many in Houston, can you shoot me a PM on where to track some down out there? I'd love to have a 4" or 6" blued Python shooter.

-Jernick

351 WINCHESTER
February 9, 2011, 09:56 PM
Back in the day's when leo's carried revolvers a python would need a "tune up" with about 500 rounds of magnums. My brother had a very nice one that was superbly accurate. For a shooter the 27 beats it hands down. I knew a guy who hit a bg in the head with his python and the cylinder flew open.

ColtPythonElite
February 10, 2011, 04:18 AM
I've got a nearly 40 year old Python that gets shot often, locks up fine, and is still in time. I shoot it plenty and mostly with mid to full power magnums. It still shoots ragged one hole groups in the right hands. If it ever needs repair, I'll send it to Colt. They still work on 'em everyday.

If I were the OP, I'd skip the "minty" and LNIB guns and look for a nice shooter, preferrably wearing the original grips and with a good finish. That kind of gun can be used and enjoyed without the worry of hurting it's value like those minty and LNIB guns.....Unless you grossly overpay, your money is gonna be safe. Colt DA revolvers only keep climbing in value.

JohnBT
February 10, 2011, 09:12 AM
"Back in the day's when leo's carried revolvers a python would need a "tune up" with about 500 rounds of magnums."

My father was a Virginia State Trooper during the years after WWII. He was a Python owner and shooter too in later years. I read him your statement. He said, "That's not right.

Heck, I'm still shooting his favorite Python.

John

earlthegoat2
February 10, 2011, 09:54 AM
If I were the OP, I'd skip the "minty" and LNIB guns and look for a nice shooter, preferrably wearing the original grips and with a good finish.

Original grips and a good finish are what make Pythons and M27s minty.

JustinL
February 10, 2011, 10:21 AM
A lot depends on what kind of trigger pull you prefer. I don't know the appropriate adjectives to describe the differences between them but I would recommend you at least take that into consideration.

DM~
February 10, 2011, 10:34 AM
A lot depends on what kind of trigger pull you prefer. I don't know the appropriate adjectives to describe the differences between them but I would recommend you at least take that into consideration.


Also, don't forget to see if you prefer to "easily" give the cylinder release a little "push" with your thumb (S&W), or go into the awkward movement of having to "pull" the cylinder release to open the cylinder. (python)

How about keeping the dirt/lint and rust out from under that rib too?

DM

ColtPythonElite
February 10, 2011, 12:10 PM
IMO, "minty" means it looks like brand new....You can have a good finish and have still some honest wear. I have several shooters that have a really nice original finish and original grips, but I would not call them being in mint condition or describe them as "like new". They are really nice looking guns, but are not "like new"....That's the trouble with lots of the ads you see in places like GB. People are describing used guns as museum quality pieces and pricing them like they are, when they are really just well maintained used guns.

earlthegoat2
February 10, 2011, 12:25 PM
I understand what you are saying completely and wholeheartedly agree with your final sentence. That is kind of the joke I was making above.

All M27s and Pythons are probably too high right now for that very reason. They are trying to sell them for LNIB prices when they are only well maintained shooters. Nonetheless there is no way of getting them within a reasonable price bracket.

I think the 3 1/2" Nickel M27 at a local shop here for 875 is not such a bad price for what I usually see the 3 1/2s go for. It is still probably high though.

Hanshi
February 10, 2011, 02:17 PM
I have a Python, M27 & M28. All were purchased eons ago when they were actually "cheap". All get shot occasionally, especially the Python but I hold all three in high regard. There is little difference in weight among the three so that's pretty much irrelevant. Quality is equal; pretty and price are not.

halfmoonclip
February 10, 2011, 03:34 PM
Back in the day, there were 'Colt guys' and 'Smith' guys, and neither would be caught dead saying a kind word about the other. Both viewed Ruger as an usurper and a maker of Kalashnikov revolvers. I was a Smith guy, and still see them as the way to go. I minty Big Snake would be fun, tho'...
Colt has gotten out of the double action revo business for reasons only known to themselves; lack of a modern .40 something frame may be some of it. The marketing moves at Hartford always keep you guessing, and pondering, and swearing....there have been times I'm not sure they want to sell guns at all, at least to civilians.
Moon

ColtPythonElite
February 10, 2011, 04:08 PM
Alledgedly Colt is coming back with a DA in the future, but it will not be a Python....Yeah, I know that rumor circulates around every year or two, but I recently heard it from a supposed inside source.

Guillermo
February 10, 2011, 05:03 PM
Alledgedly Colt is coming back with a DA in the future

I really doubt it

ColtPythonElite
February 10, 2011, 05:13 PM
I also doubt it. Just passing along what I heard.

snooperman
February 10, 2011, 05:53 PM
and they have been shot a great deal over the years. I have not had any problems with the 4 pythons I have , two more than 40 years old. There is nothing like the python , it is a beautiful gun and the actions are smooth as butter. That said , I have 2 model 27s and like them as well, but they are not as eloquent as the python , although they shoot as well as any of the pythons.

dagger dog
February 10, 2011, 07:33 PM
I would like to have the money to put a 27 up against a Python, in a 10,000 round torture test. Would the big guy or the pretty guy win?

ColtPythonElite
February 10, 2011, 07:34 PM
Define "win"...

Iggy
February 10, 2011, 08:35 PM
I got to shoot a Python back in 1969. Beautiful gun. Too expensive for a rookie cop. Couldn't afford one then so I settled for a S&W K-38.
I have carried and shot S&Ws ever since.



http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Model27s.jpg?t=1297384033

Can't afford a Python today anymore than I could 40 years ago, but I think I can muddle through with these:evil::D.

I picked up these two Mdl 27's a couple of months ago for less than the price of a Python.

roaddog28
February 10, 2011, 09:11 PM
I would take a 27-2 anyday over a Colt. My ex brother in law has a Colt Python and he is not any more accurate than I am with a S&W. Plus I like S&W triggers better. Heck, I have a Ruger GP100 I bought used and had a action trigger job done. Total cost out the door is $470. This revolver will hold its own against any revolver I have ever shot. It will handle steady diet of 357s in any weight longer than either a S&W or Colt. Now its not going to have the value but the OP wanted a range toy. This is my range toy.
Howard
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/GP100.jpg

ColtPythonElite
February 11, 2011, 12:12 AM
Well now that we've slide of the topic of two particular guns, the OP could still get a Colt and have a beautiful gun that was said by a master gunsmith to be one of the strongest guns ever made. This one has seen no less than 20k rounds most of 'em mid to full magnums. Matter of fact, just this week I loaded up over 1k and the bulk of them will go thru this gun:

TexasBill
February 11, 2011, 07:49 AM
A true Python today would be outrageously expensive; we're talking about a lot of hand work by people with years of experience.

I had Pythons, Model 27s and Model 28s. The Python was the best of the bunch but they we all good. I had a 4-inch Highway Patrolman with a new trigger and a polished action and it was a sweet shooter.

dagger dog
February 16, 2011, 07:34 PM
Win as in shoot loose, go out of time,etc.

madcratebuilder
February 17, 2011, 07:58 AM
The Pythons have gotten very pricey and a lot of them are advertised as "minty" or "LNIB"

The Model 27's are lower in price, more available, and a lot of them actually appear to have been put through their paces at the range.

Am I correct that a 3.5 inch Model 27-2 is better deal than a 4" Python if my goal is fun at the range?
I think the M27 would be a better choice as a shooter. I have shoot out two Pythons, both in less than 3k rounds. My 6" M27-2 is over 5k and still very tight. I just added a 8.375 M27-2, it should last well past my time, it's near unfired condition.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/M2701.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/pair02.jpg

Dave T
February 17, 2011, 03:30 PM
Moon, sounds like you and I come from a similar era. I was a deputy in the 1970s-1980s. You're right about Colt guys vs Smith guys (LOL). My first duty weapon, the one I went through the academy with, was a M28-2. I have had an affinity for N-frame Smiths ever since.

I shoot this one when ever I feel the need to shoot some 357 Magnums. It also scratches my itch for 5" barrels (smile).

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/SW%20N%20Frames/IMG_0316.jpg

This 5-screw, 1950s vintage 357 Magnum is for me THE classic S&W revolver.

Dave

Iggy
February 17, 2011, 10:14 PM
I second the motion

ColtPythonElite
February 17, 2011, 10:30 PM
I finished up loading 1k .125 JHP Magnums last week. I'm going shooting tomorrow and plan on burning thru as many as I can stand. I hope this old Python doesn't lay down on me...:D The gallon ziplock bag I ran thru it last month didn't kill it. I doubt if this pile will either.

PzGren
February 18, 2011, 01:22 AM
The Pythons have gotten very pricey and a lot of them are advertised as "minty" or "LNIB"

The Model 27's are lower in price, more available, and a lot of them actually appear to have been put through their paces at the range.

Am I correct that a 3.5 inch Model 27-2 is better deal than a 4" Python if my goal is fun at the range?
__________________

I would agree that a S&W M27 is a better deal than a Python just for having fun at the range but fun at the range could be as easily achieved with even less expensive revolvers; the S&W L-frames and Ruger GP or 6-series.

Personal preference ( ranging from pride of ownership to admiring a beautiful gun ) will influence your decision most likely more than shooting purposes and results.

oldfool
February 18, 2011, 02:35 AM
for fun, get a Smith
for prestige, get a Korth
for resale, get a Python
there... problem solved !

PzGren
February 18, 2011, 12:59 PM
for fun, get a Smith
for prestige, get a Korth
for resale, get a Python
there... problem solved !

Really????!!!! Have you ever shot one? It happens to be my most favorite revolver and I do not have it for prestige.

bushmaster1313
February 18, 2011, 06:01 PM
My 27-2 came into my local FFL yesterday.
Hope to take it home, and then to the range, soon as I can.

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