Looking for a "Combat Revolver" in .357


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Contumacious
February 9, 2011, 12:57 PM
Hey guys, I've been looking at getting a combat revolver (best definition I've heard of, not quite sure to call it) and have been largely unsuccessful. I'm looking for a 4" to 6" barrel, preferably a blued or black finish (not a fan of a shiny gun) and no larger than a large (L) frame.

Round count is something I'm not quite sure about, since I've seen 8 count revolvers, 7 count and such, but it seems like this might be more of a hassle than a 6 count, since I am already fairly good at loading a 6 count revolver by hand or speed loader.

I'd also like to get a Smith and Wesson, but I really have no brand bias. I already know of the Colt Python, but I'd rather get a revolver I can still send in for maintenance and such.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Vern Humphrey
February 9, 2011, 01:02 PM
This looks like what you want, a blued fixed-sight S&W from www.gunsamerica.com

Smith & Wesson Model 581 357 Magnum Revolver 966704602

Smith & Wesson Revolvers > Full Frame Revolver
SMITH & WESSON Model 581 Revolver • Handles 357 Magnum or 38 Special ammo • DA/SA • L-frame • Fixed sights The L-frame .357 magnum revolvers are sturdy guns built for shoo... (read more)
Seller: 65566666 $375.00
Shipping cost is listed as $19.95, and you have to add in your FFL's transfer fee.

Contumacious
February 9, 2011, 01:20 PM
Looks like a good revolver, but damn is it hard to find any for sale. Pretty telling the only one I found (on the website you provided, thanks for that) is moderately bad condition (very worn). Why does Smith and Wesson seem to hate blued finishes? Meh.

Did some digging, does anyone have experience with either of these revolvers?

Model M&P R8 (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765757_-1_757783_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)

Model 327 TRR8 (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765661_-1_757776_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)

The only thing I truly see bad about these is the price. With practice I assume I could learn to use an 8 count revolver. Are speed loaders commonly available/reasonably priced for such?

Jac
February 9, 2011, 01:29 PM
S&W Model 19. I mean, they actually called it the 'Combat Magnum'...:)

And K frames are wikkid awesome.

Contumacious
February 9, 2011, 01:35 PM
Damn straight, I like K frame much more that L, I just don't like the feel of an enormous revolver, I just feel like it looks like I'm compensating or something, haha.

EDIT: Wow, just got done shopping around and the S&W model 19, gotta say I love it so far, fits all of the criteria. I'll try and see if my gunstore has any in stock I can check out.

Deanimator
February 9, 2011, 01:36 PM
3" or 4" Model 13 S&W.

I've got a 3" Model 65, which is the stainless version. I don't like stainless, but I haven't seen a 3" Model 13 for sale locally in over ten years.

They're great guns, accurate and easy to shoot and carry. I regularly carry mine in a Don Hume 715M IWB holster.

I use the Federal 158gr. LSWC-HP +P .38 Special exclusively in mine.

clang
February 9, 2011, 01:40 PM
Get a Model 65 or 681 and Duracoat it.

Although they look pretty good without it:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/clang444/SW681Left.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/clang444/SW65withBootGrips001.jpg

451 Detonics
February 9, 2011, 01:41 PM
I have to agree with other...the Model 19 is pretty much the definitive combat revolver.

357 Terms
February 9, 2011, 03:26 PM
Those 8 shot Smiths are nice but salty, all of those 8 shot Smiths are based on the N frame, big guns. You can find a used Smith for half the price of those 8 shots. Dont look past a good Six series Ruger, they still service them for now, not that you will ever need to use it, very sturdy 357's.

WC145
February 9, 2011, 03:34 PM
Find yourself a PC 586 L-Comp, great gun. 7 shots, terrific action, rock solid.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__3_AZOV0zhc/S_HT9tDvpgI/AAAAAAAAB5Y/FL1JZd7Rhsk/s800/SDC10809.JPG

JFrame
February 9, 2011, 03:37 PM
A used S&W Model 13, 19, 65, or 66, and don't look back... :)

I got a Model 65 with a 3" barrel last summer at a gun show, and it quickly placed itself on my short list of "favorite handguns"... :D

.

DM~
February 9, 2011, 03:40 PM
Well, MY combat magnum choise is a S&W M-19, great gun and has served me well...

DM

W.E.G.
February 9, 2011, 03:57 PM
Ruger GP-100

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=215441289
or
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=215103799

Barkoff
February 9, 2011, 05:00 PM
Not trying to be a smart ass, how hard is it to own handguns in Germany, how about carrying a handgun?

cyclopsshooter
February 9, 2011, 05:04 PM
Big ditto on a 3" 65

W.E.G.
February 9, 2011, 05:05 PM
Not trying to be a smart ass, how hard is it to own handguns in Germany, how about carrying a handgun?

His profile says he is currently stationed in Germany with the Army.

He lives in Texas.

Paladin38-40
February 9, 2011, 05:11 PM
As an avid wheel-gunner your criteria leads me to recommend an S&W 19 if you are not gonna beat it to death with hot .357's. If you have a penchant for full house loads - an S&W 586.

Try http://www.gunbroker.com. I have had excellent results there on several discontinued S&W's and would not trade any of the older ones for 2 newly manufactured ones.

Blue Brick
February 9, 2011, 05:31 PM
+1 Ruger

Try a Ruger S6, or PS6

roaddog28
February 9, 2011, 05:33 PM
Hi,
Everybody has a opinion on the idea combat revolver. For me its a fixed sight 4 inch barrel 357 magnum medium frame revolver. I will suggest the ones I have.

1. S&W model 13 4 inch 357 (fixed sight) K frame medium frame.
2. Ruger Police Service 4 inch 357 (fixed sight) medium frame
3. S&W model 19 4 inch (adjustable sights) K frame medium frame
4. S&W model 65 4 inch (fixed sight) K frame medium
5. S&W model 66 4 inch (adjustable sights) K frame medium
6 S&W model 581 4 inch (fixed sight) L frame large medium frame
7. S&W medel 681 4 inch (fixed sight) L frame large medium frame
8. Ruger GP100 4 inch (adjustable sight and fixed sight) large medium frame.

Fixed sight 357s are regulated to POA with 158 gr 357 ammo. And that is all I shoot. Fixed sight revolvers are less likely to snag clothing with holsters. And finally, to me the fixed sight revolvers represent the classic police style revolver. Even though a lot of LE carried adjustable sight revolvers I feel the fixed sight 4 inch was the classic. Opinion only. Below are two of my favorite pictures of my combat 357 revolvers.

Howard

S&W model 13 4 inch
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/SWM13a.jpg
Ruger Police Service Six 4 inch
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/RugerServiceSix.jpg

Smith357
February 9, 2011, 07:54 PM
I am currently in the middle of a Custom Combat revolver build. I started with a finish challenged S&W 6" 586 no dash I picked up for a song. The bluing was in bad shape but the gun locks up tight. I went with the L frame so I could shoot the hottest loads if I wanted without worrying about the forcing cone issues of the K frames.

The revolver is at S&W right now getting the recall work done, a 4" tube, new screws, and bead blast black finish. I am carving a set of grips that should be ready for final fitting by the time the gun returns, and have a set of night sights ready to install. I also have a 686 parts kit I picked up and plan on fitting the SS cylinder and sending it out for a moon clip conversion. By the time I'm done it will be a complete custom gun and I will have about $750 invested. The hardest part is the waiting for the gun to get back from S&W so I can complete the project.

DC Plumber
February 9, 2011, 08:08 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but can you freely own a handgun in Germany? I thought most of Europe had bans on handguns for civilians.

BossHogg
February 9, 2011, 08:26 PM
GP-100 4 inch barrel. All you ever need.

Cosmoline
February 9, 2011, 08:27 PM
Either the Model 19 or a Security Six.

d2wing
February 9, 2011, 08:40 PM
+2 or whatever the count on Ruger. My dearest handgun is a rugged Ruger Security Six
with wolff springs. Reliable and accurate. Not that Colts and S&W aren't great too.

David E
February 10, 2011, 01:42 AM
You can make a case for a fix sighted gun, but I prefer the sight picture of an adjustable sighted one.

Not to mention you can dial in the sights to your specific load and hold.

The Model 19, 586, GP-100 and Security Six are all good choices.

evan price
February 10, 2011, 01:48 AM
Choices are going to be easy to find under $500

Smith & Wesson "K"- frame- blued: 13 or 19. Stainless: 65 or 66.

Ruger Security/Service/Speed Six or GP100.

Colt Trooper/Lawman Mk III

Taurus Tracker, 65, 66, etc.

Contumacious
February 10, 2011, 02:31 AM
Just to alleviate any doubts, I'm in the Army and stationed in Germany, but will be PCSing in a few months, hopefully to Fort Hood. All my guns are currently in Texas and I am originally from there.

I really like the style of all of these classic revolvers, and I've never really fired a ruger revolver so I'll have to give that a try. I am fairly partial to S&W because their revolvers seem to fit my hand very well and I like the "chamber open" switch (sorry, not sure what to call it).

This isn't going to be a concealed carry weapon, although it might be a home defense one.

doc2rn
February 10, 2011, 02:50 AM
For CCW of a K frame I highly recommend a 3" barrel and Hogue grip on a square frame.

David E
February 10, 2011, 04:31 AM
I like the "chamber open" switch

Most likely, you mean the cylinder release.

And while we're at it, the round thing that revolves is called the "cylinder." The holes bored into it where the cartridges go are the "chambers."

It's annoying and confusing when people use the wrong term.

dogngun
February 10, 2011, 10:57 AM
one of my favorite handguns.

mark

I have to add that I own a 4" S&W Highway Patrolman, a 4" S&W Model 15 and a S&W Model 1917 DA .45 ACP....


.But I'm carrying a Rossi 462.

Radium
February 10, 2011, 03:38 PM
another vote for the speed six

SharpsDressedMan
February 10, 2011, 05:26 PM
Security Six, by Ruger. Usually less expensive than S&W, and I believe them to be more durable. Also, you'll like the cylinder release once you get used to it.

blackfoot5
February 10, 2011, 05:41 PM
Ditto on the Ruger GP 357 or new 327 mag . I have both they are tough, accurate and easier to fine tune (YMMV). My Smiths are "prurr...dier though" (Model 25 and 2 Model 67). gene

TexasBill
February 11, 2011, 11:46 AM
To answer your question about owning a handgun in Germany, here's a link to the U.S. Army's Privately Owned Firearm info (http://www.scribd.com/doc/1762038/US-Army-Gun-Ownership-in-Germany). It runs 9 pages.

MCgunner
February 11, 2011, 12:54 PM
Before I bought a NEW Smith, I'd get a Taurus carry or even a Rossi. New production Smiths don't meet my price/quality requirements. USE, that's another story. Lots of good short barreled 66s out there. A 2.5" round butt 66 would be my ideal. I got a Taurus 3" M66 square butt some time ago that I carry, though. K frames bring a premium down here and 3" ones are impossible. I kinda like the 3" length in a carry, but wish I had a round butt.

My idea of a PERFECT carry, though, is a 5 shooter, SP101. If you can find a used Security Six in good shape for a decent price, that's a good option in 6 shooters. I had a Security Six at one time.

Jeb21
February 11, 2011, 01:10 PM
Wow, so many good suggestions. If you are planning to shoot a lot of magnums then I highly recommend a 3" or 4" Ruger GP100. Very comfortable to shoot and can handle a lifetime of magnum use. If you are going to shoot mostly 38s then I really like the suggestions for a 3" to 4" smith k-frame. A real sleeper is the Ruger Security six or service six. They are very nice weapons that are unfortunately not made anymore.

One other point for consideration, I have found that it is easier to find holsters for the smith line of revolvers than the Ruger line. I don't know why.

pdawg.shooter
February 11, 2011, 01:37 PM
Two words, Colt Python. If you are going to stake your life on a handgun, best to go with the best.

Jenrick
February 11, 2011, 11:08 PM
Look for an old 686. If you get lucky and track one done from a cop that was a shooter, it'll be broken in with a trigger that is unreal. S&W triggers just get better the more their pulled. A used 686 isn't going to command a premium either, so it wont break the bank.

-Jenrick

Iggy
February 12, 2011, 04:20 PM
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Mdl19rb.jpg?t=1297546003

I carry this 2 1/1 incher every day.

460Kodiak
February 12, 2011, 05:21 PM
All nice guns to be sure. I'd go with a S&W 627 8x shot, though you said you didn't really like SS guns. I own a ruger and a S&W. Ruger is built nice. The trigger pull on a S&W is always smoother, and so is the action. Just my opinion.

ElToro
February 12, 2011, 05:30 PM
the bottom gun in post 7 is what you want in a combat revo. 3 inches, fixed sights and bobbed hammer. if you can get i ladysmith config with underlugged barel better. i assume this is fro ccw. if its a duty or house gun you can afford bigger size

Stainz
February 13, 2011, 08:34 AM
I have a friend at the range who loves his 327TRR8 - but it's a bit pricey - and I am not fond of alloy framed guns for anything but a CCW. I like more serviceable SS for both home defenders and plinkers. I particularly like the SS 627 series. I entertained the thoughts of a 327NG as a house gun in October until I looked it over carefully and noted that it wasn't moonclip ready. A few shelves down, they had another 2 5/8" PC 627 UDR - it was literally a couple of dollars difference. I say 'another', because I bought one last April, when the first reappeared - the remake of the 'Blood Work' gun. Literally, it had proven to be too much fun to relegate to HD duties... but so did this second example.

http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/IMG_4586.jpg

Both are shown with aftermarket grips, the included Eagle wood boots being too small for my hand. Like my 627 Pro, a 4"-er that runs ~$840 locally, the 2 5/8" PC 627 UDR will take 8-hole moonclips (Ranch Products $50/50) or a specialty speedloader (machined aluminum - $25 - 5starfirearms.com) and is <$900 locally. As a PC Shop gun, it comes with a nice trigger - slightly better than the 627 Pro - which is better than the average production 686, for example. A lot of money - but worth it for a great 'keeper' of a .357 Magnum. A Ruger SS 4" GP-100, KGP-141, runs <$600 there, too.

I cannot speak to the PC 627 UDR's recoil with full load .357 Magnums - I reload plinkers, which are probably no warmer than the Remington R38S12 .38 +P 158gr LHPSWC's I keep it stoked with for protection. I haven't chrono-ed them yet from it's 2 5/8" barrel, but that round makes 860 fps from my 2" 10 and made 900 fps from my 3" 65, while I had it, so expect 880 fps - pretty much uneventful to shoot, recoil-wise. At 37.6 oz, the UDR is 2.4 - 3.4 oz less than the 4" 686/GP-100 - and balances perfectly - with the larger grips. I would rate reloading under dire circumstances about as fast with either the moonclips or the 5 Star speedloader - either being a lot faster than hand reloading two at a time. The top grip above is a S&W product ~$49 + s/t + s/h only from S&W Accessories.

Stainz

460Kodiak
February 13, 2011, 12:09 PM
That's a beautiful pair. Makes me wish I had a better job.

waidmann
February 13, 2011, 07:35 PM
DC, start you own new thread. FYI I can answer for 1982-1985, they had to jump through hoops then.

HoosierQ
February 14, 2011, 03:20 PM
627. 8 rounds, all steel.

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu153/narmer_3100/hobby_1/P1050249-Copy.jpg

bigtubby
February 14, 2011, 09:56 PM
19-3 with 2 1/2" pipe like they say "everything you need in a revolver and nothing you don't"

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/bigtubby/m-19and686001.jpg

derek45
February 14, 2011, 10:47 PM
S&W 586-2
6"

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/twoalpha/IMG_0291.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/twoalpha/IMG_0292.jpg

Thaddeus Jones
February 15, 2011, 11:46 AM
My "Combat revolver" is a 3" S&W 13-3.

I had it rendered DAO, and the hammer replaced with a spurless PC hammer. sort of a "poor mans PC13".

Very slick carry gun. I shot a 98/100 with it at my last 218 qual with it. TJ

Colt Smith
February 15, 2011, 06:20 PM
S&W M19 or M66. 'nuff said.

StrawHat
February 16, 2011, 07:01 AM
I have carried a revolver every day for the last 30 years. If I had to carry a 357 Magnum, it would be a S&W M19, M66 (or M13, M65 if you prefer fixed sights). The M586/M686 and the M27/M28 are great revolvers but much heavier than the K frame and a bit harder to manage. The K frame 357 was introduced as the Combat Magnum and nothing so far has come along to replace it. I have handled the Colt and Ruger counterparts but was not impressed with the way they felt in my hand. Try them all and see what fits you the best.

hatchetbearer
February 16, 2011, 11:29 AM
I have a 4" M13-1 that was a safe queen until i got my hands on it and discovered it's a shooter. traded a Glock 17 and $25 bucks for it. The thing about K frames is you have to shoot the heaviest load (182gr?) .357 possible, or you will get frame stretching. i practice with .38's and keep it loaded with .357's

Wolfgang2000
February 16, 2011, 01:57 PM
Contumacious
Hey guys, I've been looking at getting a combat revolver (best definition I've heard of, not quite sure to call it) and have been largely unsuccessful. I'm looking for a 4" to 6" barrel, preferably a blued or black finish (not a fan of a shiny gun) and no larger than a large (L) frame.

Round count is something I'm not quite sure about, since I've seen 8 count revolvers, 7 count and such, but it seems like this might be more of a hassle than a 6 count, since I am already fairly good at loading a 6 count revolver by hand or speed loader.

I'd also like to get a Smith and Wesson, but I really have no brand bias. I already know of the Colt Python, but I'd rather get a revolver I can still send in for maintenance and such.

Thanks in advance for any help.

I've carried a revolver for duty and off duty for close to 18 years. I've carried S&W J,K,L,&N frame guns. Presently My wife and I own Ruger GP 100's, a 3" and 4" respectfully.

First if this is going to be a carry gun I HIGHLY recommend you look at a stainless gun. For the year I had to carry a blued gun, (this was in s. Louisiana) I could not keep the back strap from rusting. When the dept switched to stainless it was a God send.

Also I don't believe in all this hohaha about "shinny" guns. I've carried stainless hand guns and shotgun for many years. At no time was it a detriment. Actually the ease of maintenance off set any of the down side.

Though I can't talk bad about the S&W K frame, there is a reason my wife and I have GP 100's. They fit the hand better, the barrel is lower in the hand. Bottom line the GP 100 is and L frame gun that fells like a K frame.

I understand that everyone has to get what fits them the best, but my money is on the GP 100.

Big_E
February 16, 2011, 02:58 PM
I like the S&W K frames. I have a 19 6'' for HD for now.

I also really like the Colt Python, except they are hard to find now and expensive. My dad is still kicking himself for not buying one dirt cheap at a drug store years ago...

flusher
February 17, 2011, 08:29 AM
S & W 66

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l75/p0838/Picture.jpg

Archer1945
February 17, 2011, 10:48 PM
Don't worry about feeding a K-frame Smith a steady diet of magnum loads. Bill Jordan, who we have to thank for even having the Model 19 and its kin, put many thousands of rounds of magnum loads thru his Model 19s with no problems.

The frame cutting problem, which lead to the development of the L-frame, came about with the development of the 180gr load designed for handgun silhouette shooting. Something about the powder used for those rounds caused the cutting of the frame right in front of the cylinder. Stick with 158/160gr and/or 125 grain loads and you will be shooting that Model 19/13 for many years to come.

dallascj
February 17, 2011, 11:36 PM
Try www.texasguntrader.com
This will give you an idea of what's in the used market around the state. Also, don't forget that there will be plenty of good pawn shops outside the post, and lots of ads on the TGT site from around the North Austin area, which is a short drive from the post. You may get some good deals there, but research prices first so you don't get stung. I am also a fan of the k frame S&W's as well as Taurus revolvers. I have several of each, and they are all great guns for your intended use.

zxcvbob
February 17, 2011, 11:50 PM
Ruger Security Six, or a S&W L-frame.

Also how about a Colt Lawman or Trooper? (I'm not really familiar with Colts)

mdauben
February 18, 2011, 12:27 PM
Hey guys, I've been looking at getting a combat revolver (best definition I've heard of, not quite sure to call it) and have been largely unsuccessful. I'm looking for a 4" to 6" barrel, preferably a blued or black finish (not a fan of a shiny gun) and no larger than a large (L) frame.

My first suggestion would be the S&W 686 w/4-inch barrel. It's built on S&W's large (L) frame with a heavy underlug barrel. To me, that is the quintessential .357 combat revolver and one of my favorite guns. Its a stainless gun though, so my second thought would be the old S&W 586.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/SW586.jpg

Its the blued steel version of the 686, although they are unfortunately OOP. They do seem to be fairly easy to find in good condition on the second hand market, however. Its a bit large if you want it for conceled carry, although still doable with the right clothing.

dogngun
February 19, 2011, 12:41 AM
although not a K frame...my 4" Highway Patrolman. Heavy to carry, great to shoot. Mine was refinished, so not collectable...got it for around $350.

mark

RIATAC45
February 19, 2011, 11:38 PM
What part of Texas? I'm 25 miles outside Houston and I'd be honered to take you out to fire my speed six Ruger, or any other of my firearms, just to say thanks for your service!

madcratebuilder
February 20, 2011, 06:47 AM
A "combat" revolver to me well be a fixed sight in matt blue or stainless. A M581/681 in .357 or the M696 in 44spl would fill the bill. A Ruger Service Six is another option.

iyn
February 20, 2011, 04:49 PM
Wolfgang , is there a difference between the 3" and 4" when shooting?

Taroman
February 24, 2011, 01:51 PM
Back in the day, "combat revolver" meant a fixed sight M&P or M1917. Today's .357 equivalents include the S&W Models 581 and 681. Everything you need and nothing you don't. This 681 is my favorite .357 and, like previously mentioned, shoots to POA at combat distances. Great DA action, too.

http://www.hverovhe.com/681.jpg

c1ogden
February 24, 2011, 01:57 PM
I carried A S&W Model 19 as a duty gun for many years until they switched us over to crunchentickers.

It can't be beat!

Its still the gun I am the most accurate with.

oldbear
February 24, 2011, 04:24 PM
If you can find them you have a number of excellent options. Ruger makes a tank tough gun. IMHO Smith and Wesson is still the gold standard for revolvers. Any of the following would meet your needs. In .357 Magnum M-13, M-19, and the M-66 all are medium frames. M-27 (big $$) M-28 large frames.

In 38 special the M-10 or the M-15. All of these are out of production you you will need to find one on the used market. Remember all of these are becoming collectors pieces so the price will not be cheap.

For one all around revolver as so many have said, and I agree "the M-19 everything you need in a revolver and nothing you don't need"

GRIZ22
February 24, 2011, 08:27 PM
Bill Jordan, who we have to thank for even having the Model 19 and its kin, put many thousands of rounds of magnum loads thru his Model 19s with no problems.


Well maybe Bill Jordan didn't but I had problems feeding a Model 19 a steady diet of magnums.

The frame cutting problem, which lead to the development of the L-frame, came about with the development of the 180gr load designed for handgun silhouette shooting.

I never shot more than 158 gr in mine and I had flame cutting and timing problems by about 3000 rds of magnums. This was a 1975 manufactured blue steel Model 19.

Stick with 158/160gr and/or 125 grain loads and you will be shooting that Model 19/13 for many years to come.

My understanding it is the 125 grain and lighter loads caused the flame cutting and one should stick with 140-158 gr loads.

Don't get me wrong, my daily carry is usually a newer (1990s) Model 66 I got new a few years ago. I've carried this for about 5 years with a moderate amount of 158 gr magnums and it still seems to be running fine.

I also have a 1988 Taurus 669 than has well over 5000 magnums and at least twice that many 38s with zero problems for over 20 years. Am I saying the Taurus is better than the S&W? No, I'm saying my Taurus is better than that S&W I bought in the 70s.

robctwo
February 25, 2011, 10:08 AM
I love my K frames. I shoot mostly .38 Special, but .357 is no problem.

A very nice guy bought a 19-3 in 1972, put it in the safe, and brought it out for me in 2010. A brand new gun, for less than (barely) the new Smiths are selling for. Wolff spring kit, Ahrends grips.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/robctwo/DSCN0625.jpg

Deaf Smith
February 25, 2011, 09:39 PM
Hmmmm 'combat revolvers'. .357s or .38s? These are all mine!

Maybe a .357
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=129168&d=1287341282

or maybe a .38!

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=137053&d=1298591657

Deaf

Smith357
March 1, 2011, 08:36 PM
I just got stage one done on my Combat Magnum.
It was a 6" blue 586, it's now a 4" bead blasted black.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/smith357/armory/Revolver/BlackMamba.jpg

Jeb21
March 1, 2011, 09:37 PM
Deaf Smith and Smith, those are beautiful revolvers!

Deaf Smith
March 1, 2011, 10:49 PM
Thanks Jeb,

All four of 'em have Secret Service stocks. All of them have action jobs done by me and they are 'zero zero', that is no cylinder shake, no crane shake, no end shake... and time perfect. And all of them shoot right on the money.

But...I pack a Glock cause they are ugly and still real good shoot'en tupperwear.

You see some people horde critters, others junk, others money, but me, I see this wheelgun in a pawnshop just cry'en for a good home (and for a real good price.) And many times I just can't turn my back on that poor old revolver. So I take 'em home and fix them up. Not all of them just the ones that shoot strait and have potential. These four had potential!

Simiautos are machines (especially todays versions) but revolvers have character.

And it's character that matters. Good character.

Deaf

S&Wfan
March 2, 2011, 10:21 PM
The OP stated no shiny finishes, just black or blue.

The OP stated no frame size over an L frame.

The OP mentioned S&W was a preference but no Colt due to wanting factory service.

Thus, a 4" K or L frame. I'd recommend the K personally. Either a Model 13 or 19.

carsten1911
March 3, 2011, 05:51 AM
Hi DC Plumber,

the answer to your question is not easy.
First of all: European countries have a WIDE variety of gun laws, with England being the worst and Switzerland, Austria an Czech Republic among the best (from gun-peoples´point of view :-) )

Yes , you can OWN and shoot handguns in Germany. But your are not allowed to CARRY outside your home. Exceptions are so rare that they are not worth mentioning.

You need to be either: Active (!) sporting/ competitive shooter OR hunter OR collector. All of these are heavily regulated as well, not only at the mercy of stupid makers of gun-laws but also at the mercy of their federation/ clubs leaderships...some of which seem to be totally out of their minds.

Carsten

Jeb21
March 3, 2011, 04:30 PM
Deaf, I also have a hard time walking past a Smith or Ruger revolver.

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