Opinions on steyr .357 sig


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Giterboosted
February 11, 2011, 12:06 PM
Hello all, as a few of you may already know I'm STILL in search of a new toy with my taxes, it will be added into the rotation as a carry/target/whatever, and I wanted something unique so I'm interested in a 10mm or .357 sig, and my local shop has a steyr pistol in .357 sig, I kinda like it but I'm nit sure on the specs of it, can anyone tell me anything about them?

Its the same as the one in this link but in .357 sig

http://www.gunsamerica.com/982807040/Guns/Pistols/Steyr-Pistols/M40.htm

Thanks ahead of time guys, have a good day

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nalioth
February 11, 2011, 12:31 PM
They are vastly under rated.

Steyr has had problems in the past few years with their US representation, and as such, these wonderful pistols have gone under-advertised.

These are excellent pistols.

Giterboosted
February 11, 2011, 12:36 PM
I had noticed the feed ramp angle is fantastic, I mean the angle is so low you could drive a wheelchair up it lol, and I thought to myself feeding will NOT be an issue lol, what's the aftermarket like? Holsters and triggers and whatnot

nalioth
February 11, 2011, 12:42 PM
what's the aftermarket like? Holsters and triggers and whatnotAs I said, the Steyr M- and P- series pistols are woefully under-represented here in the USA.

Aftermarket folks don't make accessories for things that aren't in wide use, although holsters are available.

Besides, how do you know you're going to need a trigger if you've not fired one?

Storm
February 11, 2011, 12:42 PM
What nalioth said. I have a number of Steyr pistols, one of them an M40A1. I shoot the M40A1 with a factory 357SIG barrel. The guns are modular and all that is required between 357SIG and 40 is a barrel swap (not so with the 9mm). The problem is that spare barrels are generally unobtanium.

At any rate, I prefer my M40A1 with the 357 SIG barrel. The gun is a soft shooter to begin with and that really makes 357 a sweet caliber to shoot. The low bore axis really helps. The gun that you are showing is the earlier M40 which was followed by the M40A1. The slides are the same with the changes made to the frame. I have an M9 and S9 and actually prefer the earlier frames just a hair over the newer A1 frames. The earlier M and S frames like the gun that you are showing also have a rather unique safety which almost all of the newer A1's lack, at least the ones in the US.

A lot of Steyrs got dumped on the market with CDNN rather cheaply when Steyr (who makes a lot more than guns) had some issues, but prices are back up on them since the supply has dried up.

Not all folks like the trapezoid sights (I'm neutral on them) but they can be changed out if you want.

Tennessee Ned
February 11, 2011, 12:43 PM
I bought a Steyr in 9mm a couple of years ago because it's better looking than a Glock ;) and I was able to get it for quite a bit less than a Glock too. I love it.

seed
February 11, 2011, 12:51 PM
My favorite polymer framed pistols. Fantastic design.

Giterboosted
February 11, 2011, 01:37 PM
I actually like the trapezoid sights, I feel like they'd helpmwith speed aiming, and I don't think id need s trigger I was just wondering about the support, and this pistol I'm referring to has the shape of the link I ousted but it may be the newer design, its the only one ive ever seen so I wasn't sure on it,

So basically I'm getting is That they're accurate, reliable, and shoot well, does anyone know of a leather owb holster for it?

Uneasy Rider
February 11, 2011, 02:50 PM
I have a Steyr S9 & it is an excellent gun. Reliable as hell, beautiful ergonomics, & I love the trapezoid sights.
I prefer shooting it over my XDM 40.

I would not hesitate to buy another Steyr.

Giterboosted
February 11, 2011, 05:16 PM
That's what I needed to hear guys, thanks, I'm sure I'll get an itch for something else before I make abpurcjase but at the moment I'm leaning hard on it

Girodin
February 11, 2011, 06:11 PM
I'm a huge fan of the steyr. The gun was woefully marketed in the US so they aren't on many people's radars. They are great guns though.

breacher
February 11, 2011, 11:22 PM
they have a few idiosyncracies you might need to iron out- extractor, striker channel debris. you might need to tinker a bit or you might not. but when you have one that's good I think they are much easier to shoot quickly than a Glock. I haven't compared my M40 to any other polymer.

If you decide not to pick it up shoot me a PM on where it is. I've been looking for a M357 for awhile.:)

Snowdog
February 12, 2011, 06:28 AM
Hello all, as a few of you may already know I'm STILL in search of a new toy with my taxes

Yep, you're a lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, luck-boy :D

I have a Steyr M40 purchased new from CDNN several years ago and think it's a swell pistol. This is a tank of a pistol and fits my hand incredibly well. The designers really took care to address ergonomics it seems.
The trigger is quite nice lending to the pistol's excellent accuracy.

I haven't shot it much and certainly not much lately, but I do remember there were a few failures to fully return to battery, requiring a nudge on the rear of the slide. I've read several ideas as to why this might happen but haven't taken the time to address it yet. At the time I researched the issue, a replacement spring wasn't readily available and warranty work was reportedly sketchy.

Now that I hear there's another importer in the pipeline (or already importing), I'd imagine parts and repair work might come more easily.

rellascout
February 12, 2011, 12:23 PM
Good guns not so good company. Steyr has lost their importer twice in the last 10 years. They then setup Steyr USA to import and market their own pistols but the deep discounting and the Euro to $$$ exchange rate killed them. They could not make a profit competing against Glock. They also just lost Sabre who went under and was the manufacturer of the long awaited and in the end disappointing USA AUG. They make good products but it is clear they are a terribly run company.

They are good guns with a few issues here and there. I had a S40 which suffered frame damage. It took over 9 months to get the pistol replaced. They were a steal when they were sold for $300. Many including me considered it a improved Glock but once the support and importation was gone I got rid of mine.

They have a strong and loyal following even if it is small. I like the sights and the gun always felt great in the hand. Holster and aftermarket support is of course limited and with the loss of the US AUG I doubt it will be improving anytime soon.

If you can get one cheap enough go for it. To me it would have to be under $300 IMHO. At the $400+ range there are other mainstream polys which are as good or better with real support and aftermarket offerings.

RedAlert
February 12, 2011, 01:08 PM
This comment isn't on the firearm, rather the caliber. In my experience, .357Sig offers fewer choices and is somewhat more difficult to find the particular round you want at the local gun stores. Because of this I suggest you really look into getting the .40S&W barrel at your earliest convenience. This way, if the .357Sig becomes hard to obtain, you can always have the .40S&W on hand to use. This way you won't need to leave your carry weapon home for lack of ammo.
I bought a Sig P229 in 40S&W, then later bought the .357Sig barrel. Wonderful combo in my opinion.

Storm
February 12, 2011, 02:37 PM
RDF gives good advice about getting the extra .40 barrel. The problem is that Steyr doesn't sell barrels and it pretty much takes an act of congress or amazing luck to get one. I got really lucky in getting one. If you pick up a .357 you had best make sure that you will be happy with that caliber alone. But, as RDF says, a 40/357 combo is wonderful.

I will say that in the deepest darkest days of the ammo shortage there were times when 357 SIG was about the only caliber on the shelves. Go figure.

Giterboosted
February 13, 2011, 01:14 AM
Well here's my next thought, how are the S&W m&p pistols in comparison? They're physically similar, but the m&p has changeable backstraps and has a great warranty, how do they compare, anyone know?

Storm
February 13, 2011, 10:08 AM
Well here's my next thought, how are the S&W m&p pistols in comparison?

Well, now you went and done it :) That is one tough call. I'm also a big fan of the M&P 9 Compact. While the full sized M&P seems to be a larger pistol that the Steyr, at least to my perceptions, for me it would be a coin toss between the Steyr and M&P.

Giterboosted
February 13, 2011, 11:23 AM
Well my thing ismi reapply like the sights of the steyr lol but it's at a local shop used, but if i bought the m&p it'd be new from a dealer so I'd have a warranty and all accessories.....

Decisions decisions

rellascout
February 13, 2011, 11:26 AM
What is he asking for the Steyr?

Storm
February 13, 2011, 11:34 AM
What is he asking for the Steyr?

Good question. The prices on Steyrs are still a bit all over the place. With the CDNN guns gone folks who paid a bit over $350 for one new aren't necessarily asking based on what they paid for them. Prices/values on these guns are going back up.

Giterboosted
February 13, 2011, 11:36 AM
Between 3-4 I think, il look again Monday but I'm leaning hard on the m&p

rellascout
February 13, 2011, 11:39 AM
Good question. The prices on Steyrs are still a bit all over the place. With the CDNN guns gone folks who paid a bit over $350 for one new aren't necessarily asking based on what they paid for them. Prices/values on these guns are going back up.

This is true but the gun is at a pawn shop. There is not way he has more than $250 in that gun. IMHO I would not offer more than $350. Its not worth more than that with the current state of Steyr.

On plus for the Steyr is that mags are cheap. $20

michiganfan
February 13, 2011, 11:55 AM
I hate to be negative Ii had a 357. It never right. Two trips to factory and it still wasnt right. Some ammo it just wouldnt' feed. It would fail to set off rounds. Mine was the only bad one i ever heard of. LOL.

breacher
February 13, 2011, 12:33 PM
here's a little comparison between the 2 pistols. (Steyr and M&P) I've shot the M&P 40 but never back to back with a Steyr. Some claim the M&P is softer shooting (like in this comparison) than Steyr. All I know is the Steyr is softer shooting than Glock. My M40 feels like my Glock 19. they're about equal accuracy wise. here ya go-
http://www.johnwmyers.com/column108.html

serious about the M357- if you decide against it let me know. my m40 needs a brother

Girodin
February 13, 2011, 03:07 PM
Holster and aftermarket support is of course limited and with the loss of the US AUG I doubt it will be improving anytime soon.

Quality holsters are available. You may not be able to go down to the LGS and pick up some cheapo holster but I wouldn't/don't do that with my glocks anyways. The same holsters I get for my other guns are available for the steyr. In sum, you may have to order something but I already think that is what you have to do to get a real nice holster.

Given that they are importing the Steyr A1 series pistols again I would suspect that the parts and support will be on the up swing. As an example I would cite the availability of the new 17 round 9mm mags for the M9/M9A1, and at a recently reduced price, the same price I frequently see glock mags selling for.

It will be interesting to see if this gun can get some better marketing this time around. I saw it was on the cover of one of the gun mags last time I was at wal mart.

rellascout
February 13, 2011, 03:12 PM
Given that they are importing the Steyr A1 series pistols again I would suspect that the parts and support will be on the up swing. As an example I would cite the availability of the new 17 round 9mm mags for the M9/M9A1, and at a recently reduced price, the same price I frequently see glock mags selling for.

It will be interesting to see if this gun can get some better marketing this time around. I saw it was on the cover of one of the gun mags last time I was at wal mart.

You do know that this is the 3rd time they are bringing this pistol into the states. This is the exact same thing everyone was claiming when the A1 pistols were first brought in. Within a year they were being blown out at CDNN for under $350 again. The M series and S series sold for $299.

The pistol IMHO is not going to sell well in the crowded poly market. The M&P, Glock, XD, Kahr & others are too well entrenched. Like I always say the missed their window of opportunity.

As for the holster support yes you can order one but there are 100s of makers for Glock M&P etc... but only a handful for Steyr. That is the truth.

Storm
February 13, 2011, 03:34 PM
IMHO I would not offer more than $350. Its not worth more than that with the current state of Steyr.

I agree 100% with that. $300 to $350 tops.

The thing is that with prices all over the place it's really hard to get a grip on value especially when you have a gun that is coming off of a big sell-off. The market value for these guns will settle out at some point with less variance.

Girodin
February 13, 2011, 04:31 PM
You do know that this is the 3rd time they are bringing this pistol into the states. This is the exact same thing everyone was claiming when the A1 pistols were first brought in. Within a year they were being blown out at CDNN for under $350 again. The M series and S series sold for $299.

Yes. What part of that negates what I said? I said I imagine there will be an upswing in support with this newest effort to import, and right now there is. Don't be so fast to critique that you don't bother to read what was actually said. I never commented as to how it would be sustained etc. However, once I have a dozen mags, and a little cache of the basic spare parts, what more do I really need? What the steyr lacks is a huge after market like glock. Seeing as with the exception of sights all of my glocks are stock that doesn't really count against it too much in my book. The one thing I wish was more readily available was a threaded barrel. It runs about 2-3x the price for a M9A1 than for one for my G19. The lack of after market is less convenient though and might mean a bit of prudence and or more effort is required in obtaining the basic parts one wants.


As for the holster support yes you can order one but there are 100s of makers for Glock M&P etc... but only a handful for Steyr. That is the truth.

True enough, but I don't need hundreds of holsters for a gun. I don't even need dozens. I typical need one good one perhaps two or three of various styles at the most. There are good holsters, as many as anyone would reasonably need, available for the Steyr. That is the truth.

The pistol IMHO is not going to sell well in the crowded poly market. The M&P, Glock, XD, Kahr & others are too well entrenched. Like I always say the missed their window of opportunity.

I do not purport to know how viable it will be in the market. If they do like the did before it is safe to say that it would be unexpected it would do much better. It is certainly possible that better marketing could lead to a different result.

The XD design flopped when it was first imported. It later became a popular and prevalent design. Of course there was a change in the company backing it. The XD was marketed vary well and sold at a competitive price point. I do not know how this newest effort to push the steyr will go. Commercial success has a lot more to it than just a good design.

What I do know is that I own multiple glocks, a kahr, a sig, a CZ, I've shot a number of XDs on many occasions and I really like the Steyr compared to them. For $350-$400 a steyr is a very good buy IMHO. Around $400 is the price range I see them selling at now. It does not have the after market support that some of its competitors do but one can find everything they need for it without much effort. I tend to order springs, holsters, mags, etc online so whether I have to do it for a glock or steyr there is not much difference.

In sum, as some one who owns a Steyr and a number of other 9mm handguns I've been happy with mine and I'd gladly buy another Steyr (in fact I'm considering a NIB M40A1 right now).

rellascout
February 13, 2011, 05:19 PM
Honestly I really enjoy talking to Steyr diehards.

I read your post I just did not have on my rose colored glasses. I read what you said but the point which should be noted is that this has happened 3 times. I would hope a gun I am purchasing will be supported for more than a year. Steyr has never been able to stay in the market. The company has been bought twice in the last 10 years IIRC. They have had 4 different importers. They have failed 4 times already only someone with Rose colored glasses can be so optimistic that somehow this time will be different.

I owned 4 different Steyr pistols. I owned a M9, S9, S40 and a M40. The S40s frame suffered damage and had to be replaced. It was my favorite of the group. I used to carry it. After the frame was damaged it took over 9 months to get a new pistol. The others worked pretty well with the exception on the M9 whose drop down safety/lock located in the top of the trigger guard area of the frame would engage itself. This was a known and common issue. Later versions of the MA1 came without this feature as a result of the complaints. They were good polymers with good triggers and neat sights but in the end 2 out of the 4 I owned had issues. I sold them all after the rumors about the MA1s were no longer being imported surfaced.

You are one 100% that you do not need more than 1 or 2 good holsters but you do need more than 1 or 2 choices for those good holsters. There are simply not that many choices for Steyr. Can you name 6 companies selling non generic Steyr Holsters? Off the top of my head I can only think of High Noon & Kramer for S line only.

You are right the HS2000 did not sell well when it was brought to market but what it did have when it became the XD is a real marketing company. Springfield is nothing but a marketing company. Steyr has a piss poor record here in the US. They have never understood the US market. They have not been able to market the AUG which at one time was the best of it kind. Comparing SA to Steyr is comparing a High School basketball team to the Miami Heat. One is world class the other is a bunch of kids.

Steyr has never been able to market this pistol. They could not market it when the polymer market was wide open. The other part you are missing is that price drove the success of other polymers. Glock, XD XD & he M&P line. HK & Kahr are the only polymer lines that have held high price points and even Kahr has had to offer lower priced pistols. Sig is selling sub $450 poly guns. Glock under $500 OTD. M&P under $500 OTD XD under $500 OTD.

Steyr is listing these as $657 MSRP IIRC. My guess is that it will sell for right around $550 to $575. Are you telling me you are going to pay more for a Steyr. Even if you do do you believe that enough other people will to sustain Steyr M pistol Rev5? Are you honestly telling me that you think it is going to compete with what is already out there and established?

So what do you do when your frame is damaged like my S40 was. The company does not have the parts the materials or a replacement for the gun if something goes wrong. They do not even have frames or barrels to replace the major parts. My S40 required more than a parts kit to make right. In fact i required a new frame which they did not have. I could not even buy one if I wanted to.

Back to the OP and unsupported pistol that sold recently for $350 OTD is not worth more than $350 used especially when it has ZERO collector value.

Girodin
February 13, 2011, 07:58 PM
Honestly I really enjoy talking to Steyr diehards.

Are you referring to me? I'd hardly consider myself a die hard. I do own one and I have been very happy with it. I also own sigs, colts, rugers, glocks, and a number of others. Based on my experience with all of the above I would buy another steyr. Is that what makes me a die hard or is it simply the fact I do not concur with all of your opinions?

You are one 100% that you do not need more than 1 or 2 good holsters but you do need more than 1 or 2 choices for those good holsters.

That would only be true if those 1 or 2 choices didn't fill one's needs for some reason. They may or may not. The vast majority of my holsters and mag pouches (particularly the ones that really get used) is from two companies that I've been happy with.

Can you name 6 companies selling non generic Steyr Holsters? Off the top of my head I can only think of High Noon & Kramer for S line only.

Just off the top of my head, FIST, Raven Concealment Systems, Fobus, Galaco, the nylon number on Steyr's website, Cross breed, and likely all of the makers of custom holsters. Perhaps there are more but those are the one's I can think of having seen off the top of my head.


You are right the HS2000 did not sell well when it was brought to market but what it did have when it became the XD is a real marketing company. Springfield is nothing but a marketing company. Steyr has a piss poor record here in the US.

I mostly agree. As I stated if they do more of the same then I'd imagine their results will be more of the same. Whether or not they will take a different approach is not something I have knowledge concerning. My point is not that steyr is SA. Or that the HS2000 means that the M series will succeed rather my point is simply that marketing is a bigger factor than the quality of the product.

The other part you are missing is that price drove the success of other polymers.

I'm not missing that at all. If the choice is between a G19 and a perhaps slightly better steyr for a few hundred more the steyr will be a tough sale. I think steyr intially saw them selves as a competitor for HK but lacked the HK brand to sell a polymer framed gun for $600+. I concur that price point will be a key factor in pushing a product in crowded field, particularly when one lack brand recognition. I think steyr could be successful. I think it is fair to say they have some hurdles. They may not be able to overcome them. I don't see them supplanting glock but being economically viable does not require having the largest market share per se. You mentioned Kahr I'd venture that they have a relatively small market share compared to XDs M&Ps and glocks.

They have not been able to market the AUG which at one time was the best of it kind. Comparing SA to Steyr is comparing a High School basketball team to the Miami Heat. One is world class the other is a bunch of kids.

I'd agree steyr is not on par with springfield for pushing new products. The same way kel tec isn't with ruger. You'll note that I noted commercial success takes more than a good design.

Their future success really is neither here nor there for me in terms of buying a used $350 gun today. One can get mags, springs, etc.

If I had a major failure on a pistol I paid $350 I might well just buy a new pistol. Like a number of guns out there etc. I do not think frame failures are particularly prevalent, I must admit yours is the only one I've heard of with a steyr. The outside chance of a frame failure would not cause me to not buy a gun I wanted, particularly a really inexpensive one. Had I been the one to experience that I might feel differently I suppose.

They do not even have . . . barrels to replace the major parts.

It took me all of 15 second online to find a .357 sig barrel in case the OP is truly worried about that. http://www.steyrarms.com/store/index.php/accessories/steyr-m-series-pistol-357sig-barrel.html

rellascout
February 13, 2011, 08:31 PM
I hear you. Good to see parts are available. I really wish them luck. If they can get them back in the US under $500 I might pick one up again but they will have to show sustainability before I could consider them again. Just too many other good options which you know will be around.

Are they bringing the S A1 over? Last time they did not.

Girodin
February 13, 2011, 08:41 PM
Are they bringing the S A1 over? Last time they did not.

According to the following Steyr press release, yes.

We are pleased to announce that Steyr Arms will again import the Steyr MA-1 and SA-1 (emphasis added) line of pistols starting in August [2010]. SAI will import additional quantities of both models in both a 9mm version as well as a .40 S&W. The MA-1 and the SA-1 were two of Steyr's best selling models, but the fall of the dollar versus the euro over the last several years caused the price point to escalate far too high to import. Internationally, the pistols sell for 610 Euro or over $800 at a 1.4 exchange rate. However, SAI felt the price point needed to be much lower to truly compete in the US market. Due to a bulk buying agreement with Austria and the recent rise of the dollar against the Euro, it became much more economical to import some additional pistols into the USA. Starting in August, SAI will be re-releasing both the MA-1 and SA-1 versions at a suggested retail price of $649. We are very excited to be able to offer these items again to the Steyr fanatics out there. Thank you for all of the emails and feedback over the last two years encouraging us to bring back the pistol! For more information about the pistol series, see your local Steyr retailer or call us at 205-655-8299.

http://www.steyrarms.com/news/items/article/july-newsletter-steyr-arms-to-import-pistol-again/?tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=fafc0c0973

Coal Dragger
February 13, 2011, 08:44 PM
Well the .357 SIG round is a great choice, the Steyr pistol on the other hand not so much. Not because it is a bad pistol, but because it is made by a company that has zero concept of customer service, and is imported by an importer that more or less has their hands tied on what they can offer if something goes wrong. I have had several experiences with Steyr customer "service" if it can even be called that, and was never impressed. I finally traded off the last Steyr I owned a few days ago because of this.

Giterboosted
February 13, 2011, 11:10 PM
I still like the steyr a lot, but he way this thread is going I may be going with the M&P, simply for the security of the company backing, they look almost the same, probably shoot similar, and are both .357, which is what I'm looking for, but I just don't know

Storm
February 14, 2011, 07:52 AM
It took me all of 15 second online to find a .357 sig barrel in case the OP is truly worried about that. http://www.steyrarms.com/store/index...ig-barrel.html

Steyr selling barrels is a very recent development. For years they wouldn't let a barrel go without the gun. That to me is a very good sign. The M/S is modular and not offering barrels negated one of the best aspects of the gun.

As to Steyr diehards, go to the Steyr Club forum and you will find that the diehards are extremely critical as to how the brand has been marketed in the US.

Snowdog
February 14, 2011, 12:31 PM
I would LOVE a .357sig barrel for my M40. I wouldn't pay $250 for one, especially as that's nearly what I paid for my complete M40. If they were to cut that price in half, it would be something I'd consider.

Giterboosted
February 14, 2011, 01:08 PM
Well now that weve discussed what the steyr is approximately worth, if they want too muc then is it feseable to pay 200$ more for a brand new m&p?

Storm
February 14, 2011, 01:17 PM
Well now that weve discussed what the steyr is approximately worth, if they want too muc then is it feseable to pay 200$ more for a brand new m&p?

I would say so. With the Smith you will have a fine pistol and one of the best warranties and customer service in the industry. Accessories won't be an issue and you won't pay $250 for that extra barrel if you choose to go that way.

Girodin
February 14, 2011, 03:54 PM
I would LOVE a .357sig barrel for my M40. I wouldn't pay $250 for one, especially as that's nearly what I paid for my complete M40. If they were to cut that price in half, it would be something I'd consider.

Yeah its steep. One can probably find a whole gun for that. That actually is more than what I paid for my M9.

The M&P line gets a lot of praise from shooters whose opinions I respect. I doubt you would be unhappy with an M&P.

Giterboosted
February 14, 2011, 09:28 PM
Well inusually like to buy face to face rather than over the Internet, but lately I haven't been able to find the model I'd like (.357 sig, night sights, possibly compact, no mag safety) I think a place in a nearby bigger town has them, it's a law enforcement store, if they don't have it they can get it, at this point I'm thinking on the S&W simply for the warranty availability and parts if the need arises, however the only thing I'm not crazy about is the trigger on the m&p, anyone have any suggestions to replace that kinda two piece design?

Giterboosted
February 16, 2011, 11:30 AM
In a complete change of direction, I've run up on a deal where for about 200$ more than sn m&p I can get a lightly used H&K p2000sk v3 with 6 extra mags in .357 sig, also it's local, which I like, it's also an individual instead of a company which I like, does this seem like a better deal? It's probably the way I'm going

rellascout
February 16, 2011, 12:24 PM
In a complete change of direction, I've run up on a deal where for about 200$ more than sn m&p I can get a lightly used H&K p2000sk v3 with 6 extra mags in .357 sig, also it's local, which I like, it's also an individual instead of a company which I like, does this seem like a better deal? It's probably the way I'm going

What is the total OTD on the S&W and then what is it for the HK?

smirnoff a
February 16, 2011, 01:15 PM
I purchased one in 40 cal a while back with intention of converting it to 357 sig, but after unsuccessful attempt to find a barrel, i sold it for the same price I paid for it new. The only issue it had was when the magazine was fully loaded, it sometimes would not champer a round, so I had to keep 10 rounds in my mags. However, every round out of approximately 500-600 fired flawlessly.

Giterboosted
February 16, 2011, 10:19 PM
Otd for the m&p would be about 550$ that's on "clearance" at my local place, otd with my buddy is 750$ so literally 200$ diff for five extra clips and a holster, I'm thinking it's simply a better deal for the h&k, and if I can make a good plea to my wife I may get both because I simply don't have anything to spend the money on, I've literally never in my life had that situation

RX-178
February 16, 2011, 10:51 PM
I've never been a huge fan. Never been a huge fan of Glocks either though.

I can't get used to the trapezoidal sights, and the trigger pull felt... kinda mushy, kinda long. Not heavy though, so I guess they'd be accurate enough. For the price point, I guess there really isn't anything really /BAD/ about them.

breacher
February 16, 2011, 11:25 PM
if you are set on buying a pistol in 357 sig perhaps you might set a few shillings aside for ammo. if you don't reload you will put a hurtin' on your wallet shooting that caliber with any frequency

not a big fan of H&K pistols. I think they are way overpriced. but based on that your buddy is still giving you a pretty fair deal with all those mags and a holster included.

just comes down to which pistol feels better to you. btw, factory caliber conversion barrels can be had from S&W for the M&P's for fairly cheap.

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