[Oleg Volk]

Would like advice on a few topics:
- good places to stay?
- any peculiarities in regard to carrying at the show and elsewhere in Vegas?
- who wants to meet up while I'll be in town?
- does anyone have any interesting photo or advertising projects for me to do?

I'll get press credentials and do pics of new items and any interesting people who won't avoid me. Is there anything else to do at SHOT Show?

[Guntalk]

Oleg:

I've attended almost every SHOT Show. I'll be there this year.

1. Make your hotel reservations now. It's probably too late to get into the Hilton (HQ hotel).

It is generally a bad idea (against the rules) to carry in the show. No doubt some do.

Interesting that you are more subject to being searched when leaving than when entering. They do look in briefcases, etc., to see if any guns have been picked up at the show. Kind of random, and not everyone gets the search. It's usually just a peek in the briefcase.

There is a media room. Register as media at the press room when you get there.

Drink lots of water. The show is HUGE! There is no way to see everything in four days. Really.

Comfortable shoes.

There are a number of seminars at the show, also. Some may be interesting to you. Many are retail related.

Just being there brings opportunities.

I'm probably going to arrange (I've done it before) a short meeting of folks who listen to Gun Talk at one of the booths. A couple of years ago we did it at the Kimber booth, and were shown a neat prototype. I just saw the production model. Very small .45 with only a "trough sight".

Maybe we can make it a THR and Gun Talk gathering.

Also, I'll broadcast from the show on Sunday.


tom@guntalk.com

[George Hill]

If I had a ticket, I would go. In 2000 Gale McMillian hooked me up with a ticket... I sure do miss that guy. He was the best. The McBros booth had a nice big couch and a big overstuffed chair that Gale sat in... you could go and sit on the couch and chat with Gale - it was great. He showed me the Tubbs 2000 rifle and at the time gave me a screaming good deal on it. Should have taken him up on it.

[Pilgrim]

Looks like I will be going. My neighborhood gun dealer asked me if I would like to go with him and his wife.

Pilgrim

[Justin]

I'll be going along with a couple of other people from Colorado. It will be my first SHOT Show. I can't wait! :D

[larryw]

I'll be playing hooky from another trade show in LV attending the show on Thursday and Friday, staying at Treasure Island.

As already stated, bring/drink lots of water, the air in LV is very dry and you will get dehydrated very quickly, especially if used to a humid environ (bring some saline nasal spray, trust me). Buy bottled water in bulk at one of the local off-The Strip convenience stores, a small bottle of water at the show is $2.50 and the hotel's pool water is probably more potable than their tap water. You can also buy bottled water at most hotel's store, large bottles are $2.

Comfy shoes and pace yourself. At the SHOT Show (http://www.shotshow.org) web site is a map, seminar and exhibitor list; some early scouting can help save the shoe leather and make sure you see everything you need. A trade show's exhibitor list is always helpful when prospecting.

You can also book hotels at the SHOT Show web site; they actually have some pretty good rates. There is also a shuttle bus schedule there; you can use this to help you find out which hotel would be most convenient. Taxis are readily available at strip hotels, but can quickly get expensive. If you do that route, the convention center is to the north of the strip, MGM, Mandalay Bay, Monte Carlo, Luxor are at the south of the strip and will add quite a bit of time and cab fare to the commute. Hilton is adjoining the CC. Treasure Island, Venetian, Monte Carlo, Caesars, Stratosphere are on the north end of the strip.

If staying on the strip, tell taxi driver picking you up at the airport to avoid the tube/stay off freeway, you can also ask him to make a quick stop for bottled water on the way. ;) If you check your baggage, do not lose the baggage claim ticket, they do sometimes have a guard checking all luggage before they let you out; carryons can occasionally be questioned but have never had a problem. Going home, the LV airport check in for Southwest Airlines is often an unmitigated nightmare at random times; if you can fly an alternate, I do recommend it (shame because I like SWA). If not, call the airport at least 4 hours before your flight and be prepared to go *right then*.

I go to LV frequently on business and would be happy to provide any assistance/advice desired.

[Andrew Wyatt]

I'll be going all three days. Would this be a good time to suggest an RV point at the show?

[Valkman]

I'll be there and it's my first show so it should be interesting. I'd say stay at my house but I live a good 30 miles from the Strip! The taxi fare would make your plane ticket look cheap! :D

I'll be looking up the guys at Alumagrips, and other than that I won't know anybody! :)

[Rob Pincus]

I'll be there.

Oleg,

Carrying in Vegas is not difficult if you have a valid NV CCW card (or another state's that is accepted: Does not include TN) and you avoid The SHOT Show, all Casinos and most public buildings. ;)

[Jax]

Carrying in Vegas is not difficult if you have a valid NV CCW card (or another state's that is accepted: Does not include TN) and you avoid The SHOT Show, all Casinos and most public buildings.

From packing.org:

Only NV permits are valid. NV does not accept any other state's permits.
The SHOT Show, Casinos and any other public buildings are only off-limits if they are posted at every public entrance.

I know some Casinos and public buildings are posted - by no means all.

Does anyone know if the LVCC or the show are normally posted?

All that said, I'll be there - attending my first SHOT show as well.

[Oleg Volk]

The logistics are beginning to look too annoying to bother...

[Andrew Wyatt]

It's quite fun, and you should get a NV CCW anyway. You can get out of state ones.

[Oleg Volk]

I already have FL and MN...getting NV on top of that strikes me as excessive. Maybe I'll skip the show, as I might get worked up about LEO/Mil-only gear shown off there.

[Valkman]

I carry in casinos all the time - they may not like it but it's legal if it's not posted and not many are. I don't go to that many casinos but I only know of one that is posted - Binion's.

I've heard that the Shot Show is posted, and the gun shows here are too. Other events like concerts have metal detectors and that makes them off limits too.

I don't normally go to college or state buildings, so I don't wind up having to leave my Kimber in the truck very often. Most of the time when I do leave it behind it's because of a doctor appt. and I don't want them to find it! :)

[Steve Smith]

I'll be there.

[461]

I'll be there, would love to do a meet up somewhere.

[Sydwaiz]

My wife and I are going. It's our first time at SHOT. Another reminder folks to make your hotel reservations early because it is also Valentine's day weekend so it will be packed. Use the SHOT show website as they have the best prices. Hotels inflate their prices for special days like Valentine's day.

[Travis McGee]

I'll be there, with a small table full of bright yellow books.

[larryw]

Travis, do you know which hall and booth number you'll be at?

[Valkman]

I'll be there, with a small table full of bright yellow books

Cool, I want to get one of those! Autographed, of course. :)

[Lennyjoe]

Quick question, is it open to the public?

If so, I might have to plan a 7 hour trip up north that weekend. :D

[Sydwaiz]

Sorry, not open to the public. It's a trade show and open to people in the industry. You must have a FFL# or be in the business to provide goods and services to the "trade."

A CC&R FFL is okay and maybe a business card showing you work in the industry. Or you can be a guest of someone who is going.

[Jeff OTMG]

I will be there, this will be my 15th SHOT Show. Staying at Circus Circus because it is relatively cheap and the dealers recognize me there. The SHOT Show site has sold all their rooms, but they still have rooms available. They also have an RV park and are on the shuttle route.

George, you should be able to drive from Utah. I have friends driving from Texas.

[Dr.Rob]

Man I almost could, I should have the time, but I'm now editing/art directing magazines in TWO markets with deadlines two weeks apart.

Justin, Steve.. get me a Colt Mouse pad or something eh? :(

[Travis McGee]

Hi Larry,
I believe it's booth 929, I haven't checked a site map to know what hall it's in. I'm strap hanging with a company called Accu-Shot that makes an elevation adjustor for the stock end of a sniper rifle. (It's like an up and down micrometer screw with a wheel handle that's turned by the off hand.)

Matt

[larryw]

Accu-Shot, have one and love it! Seeya there. :)

[Travis McGee]

You do??? Small world! Every rifle with a bipod should be a tripod! No wobble in any axis! Anyway, Kasey from Accu-Shot kindly invited me to share a bit of his space. Is that great or what?

[Rob Pincus]

Our booth number for S.W.A.T. MAg is 1826. Stop by and see the awesome sweepstakes rifle from D&L Sports. I just got it in today and it is very sexy...

[Travis McGee]

Rob: I'm salivating to think of the extreme race guns etc that I'll finally get to see up close!

[larryw]

Travis, my tripod (http://www.dimark.com/shooting/700VS-LH.jpg). ;)

I bought it direct from their web site when they first announced the product. Really friendly folks and happy to answer email. No real surprise they invited you to share the space, just business as usual for a quality organization. Recommended. (http://www.accu-shot.com/main.html)

[Travis McGee]

Larry:

The concept is so simple and intuitive that it's hard to believe that the accu-shot's only been out a couple of years. Anyway, it was a very pleasant surprise to see your own rifle so equipped! Now I can hardly wait for the show; I feel like a kid waiting for a second Christmas this year!

My book is starting to get widely noticed. Now I'm getting folks emailing me to tell me they've bought it at some regional gun shows, so those wholesale orders are starting to trickle down. The author of the first and most famous RKBA novel just ordered a couple after finding the EFAD website and reading the 20 chapters posted there. Appearing at the SHOT Show might be a quantum leap. The book is now on the edge of general awareness by the shooting public, this SHOW might give it a big push.

http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/bookcover.jpg

[eoR]

Hey Matt, you might draw quite a bit of attention sitting under a sign that reads "VPC's Poster Boy in the fight to ban "bullet hoses". Hook 'em w/ the sign and reel 'em in w/ the book.

Good luck at the show!

Devin

Edited to add: How are you progressing on "Domestic Enemies"?

[Travis McGee]

eoR: THANKS!! I forgot about my MAC-10 "bullet hose" picture on the VPC webstie! That would make a great poster!!

[Lennyjoe]

Will a CC&R get you in?

[680x0]

Hi, I'm new :)

Anyone from MN going? and will a biz card get you through the door with no other supporting documents?

[BHPshooter]

Oh, how I wish I could go...

Well, will somebody post an adventure report and pictures?

Have fun, guys. ;)

Wes

[Sydwaiz]

This may sound stupid but is there a dress code? I know there is nothing in writing but with all the other trade shows I've been to, guests normally tend to dress on the nice side with collared shirts and slacks. I'm wondering if this one will be any different or are jeans and t-shirts okay?

[Jeff OTMG]

Exhibitors are generally in uniform or business casual. Some are in suits. This is the gun industry. I am sure that some gun dealers do not own a tie. Jeans are fine. I try to wear good jeans, maybe black, and a tucked in shirt with a collar.

[DVDTracker]

Yep, I'll be getting in on the 13th, heading back the 16th.

[larryw]

Thefumegator, I'll post lots of pictures, but won't be able to do it "live"; it will take a couple days to compile. If there's something in particular you'd like to see, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

[Denny Hansen]

Have not missed many, and I'll be there again.
For those first timers, you'll be amazed at the amount of gun stuff in the LVCC. I'd recommend making a list and taking a look at whatever your "must-sees" are and get them out of the way. One good way is to get a copy of the official directory, which has a floor plan and booth numbers of all exhibitors, sit and have a cup of whatever and plan your day. If you don't have some kind of plan, you can spend the entire show just wandering the endless rows of neat stuff.

If you're active in the industry at all, make sure you keep the directory. It has the phone numbers, addresses and web info for all the exhibitors. It will serve you well as a resource in the future year.

As Rob said, come by and see us at booth 1826.

Denny

[Rob Pincus]

Sydwaiz,

This is an industry trade show, not the SOF Convention or a gun show at the local armory. Dress to the level that you want to be treated by the professionals in the booths.

[BHPshooter]

Thefumegator, I'll post lots of pictures, but won't be able to do it "live"; it will take a couple days to compile.

That's actually what I had in mind. :D
I don't have anything in particular in mind, it's just that I've never been to a SHOT show yet, so it's kind of black magic to me.

Thanks,
Wes

[Sydwaiz]

Thanks, that's what I thought. Heck, I was just at a trade show in Anaheim, CA today for my business.

Hey, are we supposed to get badges in the mail or do we pick them up there? All the other trade shows I've attented send you a badge in the mail when you preregister.

[another48hrs]

Wish I could go to Shot Show, of all the trade shows and expos this is the only one I can't get in to. Hope you guys have fun and take lots of pictures. Hey if anyone wants to trade pictures of CES 2004 for Shot Show 2004 pics when it comes, shout me a holla dawg.:D

[Valkman]

There's also the Adult Expo which starts today here in Vegas - it's the big show for the porn industry! There's, um, ALOT to look at! :D The big difference between it and the SHOT Show for me is my wife will only let me go to the SHOT Show! :mad:

[lunde]

I'll be attending for the first time this year, and convinced (by buying the airline ticket) my dad to come along. We'll arrive (separately, as he is coming from Wisconsin, and I from California) at about 1PM on the first day, and will leave about half way through the third day. I'll have my camera in hand...

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

....But although the 2004 SHOT Show info sheet on its website says nothing about not carrying with your valid NV (resident or non-resident) CCW, what is within the rules?

I hold a valid NV CCW and although the LVCC is "posted" it IS after all the Shooting, Hunting & Outdoor Trade show and not some silly doll show. Cashman Center is also owned by the Convention Center authority and is "posted" but at every single Cashman Center Gun Show, there is a table at the entrance where you can show your weapon 'clear' and they will tag it and you can carry it with you at the show.

This is my first SHOT show and I want to enjoy the experience. However, it seems REALLY STRANGE not to carry my constant companion at a shooting sports event.

...So what do you more experienced hands have to say ???

[citizen]

Yeah, go 'head! Just clear it when they ask ya! Course you'll get in!!
But just in case ya get hassled, detained, etc. don't blame me!!:rolleyes:








Why don't ya just CALL THEM and ask!! THEM!!!!!
Anybody here can say what they want; just cause it's Vegas doesn't mean they'll follow the odds!!!
I LIVE here and won't even try to get in that way!!!!:rolleyes:
Alright, I'm ready. FLAME AWAY!!!!!!

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

...So Citizen you think it's OKAY and NORMAL in a Shall-Issue State to ban legally armed attendees at FIREARM EVENTS?? Just doesn't seem to jive with either common sense or their normal practice at Cashman Field gun shows.

Moreover, if firearms are banned at the SHOT show, won't that make life a bit difficult for the Exhibitors to bring in their FIREARMS?

I will call and ask, but it was a serious question seeking friendly help and advice from my like-minded brethren in THR and really didn't call for sarcasm.

[Spark]

Firearms manufacturers must have the firing pins removed from exhibited pieces. You wouldn't beleive the number of thieves who attend. It's unreal.

[larryw]

I doubt the SHOT Show has any say over that. Since we're in Vegas, I'll lay my money on the convention center ruling against CCW. Their house, their rules.

I sorta recall a similar thread regarding last year's show in FL.

[Kilroy]

Booth number for Accu-Shot?

[caseydog]

I can't believe nobody picked out and suggested the obvious, Tom Gresham broadcasting GunTalk from the show and Oleg Volk ~ nationally known defender of the RKBA and esteemed owner of THR and A Human Right attending , hmmmm.

Tom put Oleg on the show !!!

[Travis McGee]

Kilroy: the booth number for accu-shot is 929, in the LE room.

[444]

The convention center is a Clark County government building. The SHOT show has no say over the carrying of guns.
That being said, I have carried pretty much everywhere including Cashman Field.

I would like to meet up with some of you guys, if not at the show, maybe for dinner or drinks one night. I know I said this the last time and was all ready to go but I was just too stinkin tired to make it. This year I should be OK. I no longer work on the strip.

[John Ross]

FWIW I'll be there, as an attendee, not an exhibitor. If you want to find me, a good first place to look would be the S&W booth. I'll probably be there a good deal of the time, discussing the .500. Other places to look would be Serbu Firearms, Valkyrie Arms, GemTech, and Small Arms Review/LMO, all (I think) in the law enforcement ghetto.

I'm planning to bring a few copies of UC with me, maybe a dozen or so, so if you want to buy an inscribed one, email me and I'll try to make sure I have one for you.

Suggestions for those who haven't been:

SHOT is BIG. I spend the entire first day making sure I see it all. I spend a few minutes each talking with the people I know personally, but keep moving and give EVERYTHING a *quick* once-over. I don't get distracted. I carry a notebook and write down the booth number and product description of things that interest me.

The next morning I have the list of the places I want to revisit, arranged by booth number with the aid of a map so that I don't travel back and forth any more than necessary.

I always have a wheeled thing to pull behind me to carry literature, samples, etc.

The third day I go tell lies with my friends that are set up at the show, and pester certain exhibitors to cut me better deals and/or bring out certain variants of their products that their marketing departments aren't forward-thinking enough to realize would sell like ten-cent quarters.

I can't advise you what hotel to choose; I have a girlfriend who lives in Vegas and I stay at her house.

John Ross

[Jeff OTMG]

The 'no personal guns' policy is that of the show organizer. Convention centers owned by the cities in Texas, including Dallas and Houston, are prohibited from posting 30.06 signs, but SHOT policy is no personal firearms. I have gone to SHOT since 1985 and it has always been that way.

As an aside, I have carried just about every day of my life for over 20 years and I do not feel a need to carry in Las Vegas in the strip area and feel safe. Criminals on the strip have much more to fear from the mob than from the MLVPD.

[Travis McGee]

John Ross:
I look forward to meeting you at some point during the show. I want to bring my well-worn copy of Unintended Consequences for you to possibly sign, if I can only track it down among the several relatives who had it at last report. Hopefully I can find and recover it in time for the SHOT Show.

Matt Bracken

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

Very interesting.

I called the folks at Reed Exhibitions regarding their CCW policy. Quote:"For security purposes, no weapons are allowed at the SHOT Show".

I asked the rep to explain. She repeated the same sentence. I said, "Okay then, what is the LOGIC behind that policy?". She said, "We don't wan't anyone walking around with a weaon."

"Isn't it true" I said "that all of the Attendees and Exhibitors will actually be MORE SECURE if CCW Permit Holders and Off-Duty LEOs are not disarmed?"

"We can't have anyone walking around with weapons" she said. But she gave no answer to my question about being more secure if we CCW permit holders and LEOs are not disarmed. Instead she repeated the no-weapons "for security purposes" mantra.

Can anyone explain to me why the SHOT show - of all the shows out there - should be so "narrow minded. Does Dianne Feinstein and Sarah Brady have some control over thise we don't know about? For crying out loud, the 2004 SHOT Show is NOT taking place in the People's Socialist Republic of Kalifornia and LEOs & CCW permit holders are bona fide Good Guys.

So what exactly IS the logic of such a backwards & narrow-minded policy?

[BluesBear]

I know of NO gun show anywhere that allows the carry of a loaded weapon by anyone other than Peace Officers.

[444]

Well, it doesn't really matter if the SHOT show itself wants to allow concealed carry or not, since you couldn't legally do it in the convention center anyway. Their policy doesn't really matter from a practical standpoint although I agree that it seems unusual for a gun trade show to have a policy about carrying guns. My guess would be that they don't want the obvious, knee jerk reaction that would come if something happened. If something happened at a benie baby show it would be reported, but at a gun show it would be an "I told you so" and "We don't want these evil guns or their manufacturers in town".

[John Ross]

At the risk of being flamed, I am not surprised or particularly offended at a "No CCW" rule at the SHOT show, for the following reason:

People carry to protect themselves. Attacks almost always happen away from crowds. When you are carrying and go into an area with other people, no one knows. The gun stays hidden and unmentioned. All is well. At an art exhibit or baseball game, no one has ever had an ND because every carry gun stayed holstered.

At the SHOT show, or any other gun show, you have a HUGE number of CCW holders, much more than the percentage of the general population.

EVERYONE THERE likes guns, unlike at the art museum, grocery store, or baseball stadium. So now, instead of the CCW holder walking through the art exhibit, grocery aisle, etc. with his gun holstered and unmentioned, now he sees the ROBAR booth and says "Hey Robbie! Look at my carry gun and tell me which of your finishes would be best for it, would you?" Out comes the [insert favorite handgun here] and the guy sweeps a dozen people (maybe just their feet) with it while he unloads it. Repeat this scene HUNDREDS (thousands?) of times as attendees show off their favorite carry pieces to like-minded enthusiasts.

The law of large numbers tells us that with this many people in one place showing others their loaded carry guns, there is a high probability of a ND (Jeff Cooper had one with a scout .308 a year or two ago at a talk he gave at a hotel at SHOT or SOF, I forget which. No injuries.) Cops have "clearing boxes"--I guarantee it isn't for some theoretical problem that hasn't happened yet.

SHOT is so big, it's like Oshkosh is with planes. Almost every year, there is at least one fatality during the week-long fly-in there. It's not because Oshkosh has bad safety procedures, it's the law of large numbers.

The rule for guns at SHOT is NO FIRING PINS. I cannot fault this rule, given the quantity of people milling around.

JR

[Oleg Volk]

Why not simply request that carry weapons stay concealed and not be handled during the show?

[citizen]

I know nothing.
That being said, let's take a breath here.
This is a commercial event, with economic realities to contend with; let alone legal and political.
One of those elements is insurance, and the cost thereof. Disguise it any way you want, but keeping costs down is one of their major priorities.
Figure it out. NOW is it plain enough??
Inconvenient, perhaps? They don't care.
REAL potential need for self-defense? Not hardly.
Bottom line- QYBA! AIN'T gonna change!! (Despite our WISHES otherwise)
Just come; enjoy, and fuggedaboudit.

(My final .02)

[Oleg Volk]

Next question is: does SHOT enforce the no-CCW rule? Do they have attended metal detectors ?

[444]

John Ross
That ND event you mentioned in your last post occured at the Palace Staion Hotel.

By the way, this has nothing to do with nothing, but the security at the convention center is pretty good. Those convention center authority security guards you see in there are not your typical rent a cop. The vast majority of them are retired police officers. They have retired officers from pretty much all over the country and have the patches of their former employers displayed in the security office. I have interacted with the convention center security officers on many occasions and have been very impressed with them. I have had a couple problems there over the years and when I complained they made me sit down while they got on the phone and sorted the problem out immediately including having several other people report to the office to find out what went wrong if anything on their part.
Yes, there are also unarmed security guards that have been hired by the event, but the convention center security guards themselves are pretty much all long time vet. law enforcement officers from major departments all over the US.

[45nut]

I will also be attending my first S.H.O.T. Show this coming month. I have been reading about this in various gun rags over 20 years and frankly,I am about tired of waiting ! My interest is wide and varied and I am sure that for the first day I will just carry water and a bag for samples. The water for replacing the fluids that will be escaping out the corners of my mouth ! I live in the high desert of Orygun and the climate in LV should not be that different,but my drooling will nessitate plenty of water intake ! The second day will be for picures as allowed for placement on the reports I will be making on Cast Boolits (http://Cast Boolits.aimoo.com) . I expect that chance meetings are possible,so look for a bearded guy with a NRA hat with a Cast Boolits business card pinned on the side. I intend to attend the SCI Convention next year to help with plans for a African Safari. Both should be quite inspiring ! 45nut

[Jeff OTMG]

SHOT requires all guns to be deactivated and does not allow live ammo at the show. It is a safety issue. I have been to more than one gun show where some bozo decided to torch a round off inside and with SHOT being over 500,000 sq feet having live guns and live ammo woud be asking for trouble. I have seen people at the show that do not belong there and Las Vegas is one of the worse because it is easy for the Californians to get there on the weekend. Dallas and Houston are other bad places because of all the people in Texas that go treating it like a gun show. IF you carry, don't touch it.

[Sydwaiz]

I have seen people at the show that do not belong there and Las Vegas is one of the worse because it is easy for the Californians to get there on the weekend.

What are you saying about us Kalifornians? Just because we are oppressed doesn't mean we are a bunch of idiots.

[larryw]

Instead of asking Reed, who's the company handling the show from the organizational perspective (setting up exhibits, hiring workers, wiring phones and electricity, etc.), I sent an email to the SHOT Show itself. Follows is the response from their VP:

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Hello Larry,

The SHOT SHOW is not the one restricting anyone from carrying their firearm into the show. It is a Convention Center policy that we must adhere to regarding this.

If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me.

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Remember, aim before you fire.

And what Sydwaiz said!

[Rob Pincus]

That's a funny political answer.... SHOT policy is that all firing pins are removed and all guns are inspected and tagged by Safety Inspectors.

Those of you just coming to "look around"... and there are a lot of you, please keep in mind that this is supposed to be a closed trade show, not the worlds largest gun show. It is not about RKBA. It is about $$$$ and business. No one at any particular manufacturer booth really cares all that much about selling any particular attendee a gun. They care about selling a gun shop owner 10 or a distributor 1000.

Please don't take this wrong... I'm all for lookers and have gotten people passes so that they could do just that in the past... but make sure you understand what it is that you are attending.

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

That's a very good point. The SHOT show is not just "a Super-sized Gun Show". It is fundamentally a trade show and your clear thinking rings true.

My office is only a few blocks away. Guess I'll leave my sidearms at the office and head over with a backpack for goodies and plenty of water. Thanks for your 2 cents.

[Jeff OTMG]

Sydwaiz, that isn't it, California and Texas have large populations and lots of gun people. They come in for the weekend and somehow get into the show. They are not there for business. I preferred when they had the show on Mon-Thur, it prevented gawkers from coming to the show.

[355sigfan]

I am going to the shotshow myself. The department is even paying for the show ticket. Never been to vegas before. Any things to see besided gambling.
pat

[Sydwaiz]

I preferred when they had the show on Mon-Thur, it prevented gawkers from coming to the show.

Now I see where you are coming from and I agree in a way. But there are probably a couple of reasons they do it on the weekends. One, I'm sure the city itself and also the hotels have asay in the matter as we all know that is when they make most of their money. Two, I think alot of the "industry" partners are very small operations and the best time for them would be on weekends when people can leave their business behind for a little while.

Since this is my first time, I'm also wondering if this is the only trade show of it's type. With the other trade shows I attend, there are normally atleast two per year per trade on different sides of the country so all businesses have the opportunity to attend and take their equipment without having to lug it 3000 miles.

[Fly320s]

I'm in.

Got a room booked at The Riviera for Wed., Thurs., Fri.

[444]

"I'm sure the city itself and also the hotels have asay in the matter as we all know that is when they make most of their money."

I am no hotel expert, but it would seem to me that they will already be booked solid for the weekend anyway (They are pretty full every weekend). They would probably make more money by having a convention during the week to book the rooms then also.

[nextjoe]

I'm in.

I'll be at the MGM, getting in Thursday night and leaving Sunday afternoon. Is there any kind of a THR get-together planned?

Best,
Joe

[Jeff OTMG]

There isn't another 'SHOT Show' only the one. Something close, but not as big, is the NRA show. There is a 'SHOT Show' for Europe held in Germany every year. It is in the summer, not as big, but features primarily European firearms, some of which are not available here. Would it be worth going to and adding what I find there to www.shotshowreports.com?

[James Yeager]

We will have a booth (#1125) I would love for you guys to stop by and say hello.


I will bring Oleg ONLY if he has finished my catalog! :-)

[*8*]

Are we allowed to take pictures @ the show? I've been meaning to bring my camera and take pictures of the cool stuff.

[James Yeager]

Most vendors don't care but you may want to ask first. This IS the place where most companies release new products and most like the attention.

[*8*]

I think you're right but the SHOTshow letter/badge says cameras aren't allowed?

SHOT SHOW POLICIES
- No Photography and no solicitation is allowed at the show.
- Please be aware that SHOT SHOW attendees may not take personal firearms on to the exhibit floor for purposes of appraisal, sale, repair or any other reason.
- SHOT SHOW is for trade only. No one under the age of 16 admitted, including infants.

Also, they said we "may not" take personal firearms... From what I understand, we can carry concealed legally with a Nevada permit?

Thanks James.


Zach Davidson II

[Wildalaska]

We are gonna have a booth there (as usual) but hoooooooray! I dont have to work it..

Gonna show up on Friday and spend my time talking to those suppliers and maufactureres I need to talk to...

Anybody wanna have a beer? (or pop for me)

WildtouristAlaska

[spacemanspiff]

is there room in your suitcase for a fat skimo?

[Steve Smith]

Ok, I'm sure a lot of us want a get together. When and where? Fri or Sat night makes the most sense. We could do like last time and have one friendly THR member who has a table be the "host" and we will all check in with him for up-to-date info. He can dictate a time and place for our dinner, if he wishes. If we have a lot of folks to RSVP here, we could reserve a room at a local restaurant.


Starting a new thread entitled SHOT SHOW THR GET TOGETHER RSVP.

[i-SHOT]

Jeff OTMG, I'll be at Circus Circus too. Not only is it damn inexpensive but it's a decent casual walk after a long day at the show. I was at the recent CES and bunked in at the Mirage. Man, getting back to the hotel was a bitch. Our car was parked too far and the buses were always full. I'd prefer the Marriott except that it goes fast.

Anyway, I was suggesting on the other thread that if you guys are up for something different (well, a tad bit anyway), we could meet for dinner in Chinatown Vegas. That place has boomed so much in such a short span. I found some great seafood joints last month.

FYI, .......tried P.F.Chang's at Aladdin.....not impressed. The Italian restaurant at The Mirage was disappointing but the bistro Mon Ami Gabi at Paris was decent. We tracked down the new location for Rosewood Grill and the seafood was fab.

I'm looking forward to meeting the SWAT gang :)

[Wildalaska]

is there room in your suitcase for a fat skimo?

Spiff ya know there is a weight limit on luggage......

I'll be at Circus Circus too.

Me too probably

Wild$2blackjackAlaska

[INSANECANE]

Gonna miss another one this year. Wish I could be there, hope you all have lots of fun.
When is it coming back to Florida?

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