Bears eat people -- these environmentalists learned this the hard way.


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I'mSpartacus!
January 3, 2004, 03:56 AM
A camera is just not a good self defense weapon up against a big, hungry bear. Now I know that vegan environmentalists tell us to embrace nature, but isn't it a good idea to have a gun with you while you are out there doing all that tree hugging?


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http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/997031/postsANCHORAGE, Alaska -

"A self-taught bear expert who once called Alaska's brown bears harmless was one of two people fatally mauled in a bear attack in the Katmai National Park and Preserve.

The bodies of Timothy Treadwell, 46, and Amie Huguenard, 37, both of Malibu, Calif., were found Monday when a pilot arrived who was supposed to pick them up and take them to Kodiak, state troopers said Tuesday.

Treadwell, co-author of "Among Grizzlies: Living With Wild Bears in Alaska," spent more than a dozen summers living alone with and videotaping Katmai bears. Information on Huguenard was not immediately available. "


And this guy you can read about at

http://www.leonardodicaprio.org/environ_06_tre_00.html

"It's likely that by living with these Grizzlies, Mr. Treadwell is attempting something no human has ever done before. Sure, past indigenous people lived in the open wild, but they were always armed. The only defense Treadwell has is his wits. He had a can of bear mace, but no longer carries it. "

While this environmentalist was a vegetarian, the bear that ate him and the gal with him wasn't.


and this Russian one:

http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=3756879&startrow=1&date=2003-12-30&do_alert=0

"BEAR TORE A MAN TO PIECES IN KAMCHATKA


PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY, December 29. /RIA NOVOSTI CORRESPONDENT OKSANA GUSEVA/ -- RIA Novosti was told in the Kamchtka search-rescue detachment that a bear tore a man to pieces in the Kronotsky wildlife refuge.

One of the oldest workers of the Kronotsky wildlife refuge and well-known Kamchatka photographer and hunting specialist Vitaly Nikolayenko fell victim to a big bear 1.5 kilometres from the station on the territory of the wildlife refuge.

Nikolayenko was taking a photograph of the beast and failed to use the weapon he was carrying when the bear attacked him.

The rescue workers brought the body to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.

A total of about 600 Kamchatka bears live on the territory of the Kronotsky wildlife refuge but cases of attacks on man by beasts of prey are extremely rare."

Found these at

http://peta-sucks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=327#327

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WonderNine
January 3, 2004, 04:12 AM
This topic is very old. Why did you feel the need to rehash this? Especially with those 'links'?

Sorry, but I just don't see the point.

I'mSpartacus!
January 3, 2004, 04:48 AM
One too many animal shows for the kids over the holidays with the theme of "people bad, animals good".

Just had to vent!:D

Besides, the Russian case just happened.

WonderNine
January 3, 2004, 05:02 AM
I'm sorry, but all the links required me to register so I didn't know what to think about the Russian one.

At any rate, yea you're right. But when people are so stupid, you can't do anything about it.

I'mSpartacus!
January 3, 2004, 05:31 AM
Nature's way of editing the gene pool I suppose.

ravinraven
January 3, 2004, 07:47 AM
Now that the bear in the first story has developed a taste for idiots, in fact may consider them a delicacy, can we find him and haul him to Malibu? He might solve a lot of **********'s problems.

Just a thought. Don't give me a lot of jazz about the logistics of the job.

'Course maybe the bear will come down with "mad human disease."

rr

publius
January 3, 2004, 09:00 AM
ravin,

That bear is dead. More here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/fontova/fontova43.html).

I'mSpartacus!
January 3, 2004, 11:08 AM
Hey, I think that shark guy was on a Discovery program I saw a couple of months ago. So he got his leg chomped off? Must have been one of the sharks from Finding Nemo -- they never mentioned in Nemo what food they were after if they were going to swear off eating fish.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/fontova/fontova43.html

Mike Irwin
January 3, 2004, 11:19 AM
You're about 4 months behind the power curve on this one, Spart.

If you learn anything about the people here, you'll learn that they post breaking news on such incidents almost before the news breaks.

I'mSpartacus!
January 3, 2004, 11:37 AM
Again, check the date on the Russian guy -- he was eaten last week.:D

ravinraven
January 4, 2004, 05:48 AM
That was a great article.

And the timing of this thread you started is pretty great too. Right in the middle of it we have TV footage of that Aussie idiot trying to tempt a crocodile with his month old baby.

And the Aussie is mentioned in the article. Tell about exact timing!

The fool and the croc makes what jacko did seem like,.....well,....nothing.

I've been held by the heels out open windows when I was a kid and thought it was great. 'Course I was a bit older than jacko's kid.

That fool with the croc is actually the only thing that's kept me awake a night in recent memory.

So. What does this have to do with guns? The line in the article something about "..let the magnums do the singing..." or whatever is gun related. But the big gun relevance is that this shows what idiocy can do. It is idiocy that anti-gunners try to promote and tap into in their "fear gun owners" activities. It is idiocy that gets the Discovery Channel and others to promote the bear bums and their idiotic utterances as if they were the finders and founders of some new, world-saving philosophy.

Anti-gunners and bear bums and croc creeps are cut from the exact same bolt of material. You can't tell one from the other.

rr

dinosaur
January 4, 2004, 05:59 AM
The other night on The Learning Channel I watched some goof whack a pretty large black bear on the nose with a newspaper. I`m assuming since they were both in a pen that they had a relationship. The bear proceeded to kick is azz all over the place.:what:
Sort of reminds me of a certain Las Vegas entertainer who thought he had a "relationship" with a large Puddy Tat. Kinda like me and a ham sandwich.:neener: :D

publius
January 4, 2004, 07:29 AM
Name that relevance! <insert cheezy theme music>

The line in the article something about "..let the magnums do the singing..." or whatever is gun related. But the big gun relevance is that this shows what idiocy can do.

The line that wasn't in the article was also gun related. Instead of, "Honey, hit this bear with the frying pan!" The line should have been, "Honey, blast this bear with the 45-70 guide gun!"

Also, Mr. Treadwell expressed a perhaps legitimate fear that he was in danger from poachers. Another outstanding reason to have a rifle. The article I posted was relevant to this forum, I thought, because it shows the consequences of willfully being defenseless.

Cal4D4
January 4, 2004, 11:49 AM
Every animal finds it's station on the food chain. Humans are amongst the few species that can truly determine their relative ranking. Choice is good! Choose wisely.:D

mrapathy2000
January 4, 2004, 04:48 PM
the bear is dead?:what:

we need to clone that bear and unleash it upon those hippies.:evil:

just think we could be there with guns ready to sell at 100% markup and charge lessons fee and dont forget ammo. I am sure some of them will want ear protection because the shots are louder than on tv.:evil:

publius
January 5, 2004, 06:10 AM
the bear is dead?

Seems it thought those unarmed enviro-wackos were so tasty, it went back for a few bites of Forest Ranger. Turns out not to be such a workable plan, if you're a bear.

Harry Tuttle
January 5, 2004, 11:43 AM
the Wash Post had an article about "Treadwell Timmy" yesterday

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52810-2004Jan3.html

Bear Activist's Untimely End Leaves Questions

By Jeremiah Marquez
Associated Press
Sunday, January 4, 2004; Page D06


LOS ANGELES -- Timothy Treadwell's death came just the way he had predicted.

continues...

Tropical Z
January 5, 2004, 12:10 PM
A friend of mine printed and mailed me some of the Treadwell photos and man are they gross! Dont know where he got em though.

Drjones
January 5, 2004, 01:02 PM
...since the one guy was a vegetarian, does that make him "organic" food for the bears?

I guess its good that the bear got a low-cholesterol meal...

:evil: :evil: :evil:

publius
January 5, 2004, 08:42 PM
Vegetarians are delicious.

publius
January 5, 2004, 08:58 PM
Regarding Mr. Tuttle's link, I'm not sure that opening sentence is accurate. Being eaten is one way Treadwell probably predicted his own death, but he also did say he felt he was in more danger from poachers.

Anyway, it's interesting to learn that he was in the habit of inventing and reinventing his past and his persona, and spent his time protecting one particular population of bears that are not even endangered. If DiCaprio and the other celebs can't find anyone or any cause more deserving of a 25 grand donation, they really aren't looking very hard. Probably just looking very hard for attention.

I'mSpartacus!
January 6, 2004, 03:53 PM
Tropical Z, I thought there was very little left of Tredwell and his gal pal.

MrFreeze
January 6, 2004, 04:27 PM
Is this what the environmentalist guy looked like?

Right click, save as:

http://www.gobtb.com/video/bearfight.mpg

Travis

RobW
January 6, 2004, 06:02 PM
Protecting wildlife from extinction and playing games with wild animals for fame and donations/money are totally different items.

Even thousands of years "domesticated" animals get out of hand as you can read nearly every day in our news-rags.

Going into the wilderness armed is a very good idea, especially if you happen to meet zwo-legged predators (remember the Yellowstone murders?).

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