Compact .45 for concealed carry.


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f451
February 12, 2011, 07:08 PM
Okay, its time to weigh in, again, on the pros and cons and preferences on the .45 carry issue.

HEY!

I forgot to add. Be sure and show what you got! This is about the any compact carry and I have yet to see something someone is proud of that they didn't add there own personal touch too!

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docnyt
February 12, 2011, 07:12 PM
Why? Aren't the gazillion threads enough? :)

DeepSouth
February 12, 2011, 07:20 PM
I prefer a KAHR PM45, the only con is round count's only 5+1.

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll388/hsmom22boys/Billys00/MyFamily367.jpg

f451
February 12, 2011, 07:29 PM
Now that I got this thread started, I get to go first!

I just bought a Citadel .45 compact and wanted to give my reveiw on it.

I have heard stories from both sides on this pistol from the greates thing since sliced bread to not worth a boat anchor! Well I recieved my pistol yesterday and just got back from a freinds range so I thought I would pass this on.

I was very anxious and a little aprehensive about getting this pistol. For $500.00, this is not exactly a cheap pistol but it is half or less the price of the Colt or Kimber version. I own adn have owned several other .45s so I like the calibre for its knock-down capability.

This gun is manufactered by Armscorp in the Philliopines using the diagrams and tooling that they built .45s for the US gov and civilian use. Its imported into the US by Legacy arms and sold under the neame Citadel by Howa, Rocki Island arms has a version and The FX45 is the same pistol as well. The differences are in the sights and triggers on the guns. STI uses some of there components as well.

The slide is forged and the frame is milled. The serations on the slide are very simular to the Kimber pistols. Novack style sights, skeleton hammer, trigger and oversized frame safety make it very nice on the hands to shoot.

I tore it down and cleaned it as soon as I got it home. It felt rough with a catch in the middle of the slide motion so I brek freed the dooky out of it and started to work the slide. It got smoother in just a few minutes.

I put everything back together and cycled some ammo through it and it did fine with the 230 grain ball. I got brave and decided to load my home built 185 hollow point. WOULD NOT HAPPEN! Even trying to eas it in, no go out of the magazine. Not too suprising as the gun had only been shot at the factory twice and says clearly in it manual that it was made to shoot ball ammo and needs mod by a gunsmith to shoot anything else.

I took it out this morning and went to work on it. First mag, no problem. Second mag, slide stopped short of full battery on the third round. After that, 100 rounds with no feed problems from 4 different brands of magazines. groups baseball size groups at 25 yards all day long with Korean ball PMC ammo.

Got home and cleaned it and tried the hollow point again. hung on first try then cycled through 7 rounds manually. this bad boy is going to a gunsmith buddy to clear its throat.

For now, its ball ammo. After a trip to the smithy I think it will shoot anything you want to try to stick in it!

IN MY CASE!
I would highly recomend the Citadel for concealed carry work if you wnat a .45 carry piece. It fed the exact same way as my gov. model colt did when I got it except the Colt didn't like the hollowpoints as much as this one seems to. I hope to hear from any and everybody that has one of these or its brothers and the pros and cons of all the other compat .45's.

f451
February 12, 2011, 07:31 PM
By the way, everything I read about the Citadel said it was a 6+1 and came with 2 amgs. The 2 mags are 7 shot extended with bumpers on thema dn they are really nice magazines.

docnyt
February 12, 2011, 07:51 PM
Can't complain about my Dan Wesson Commander I'm wearing now. Feeds hollowpoints well.

Flash!
February 12, 2011, 07:53 PM
f451..... I bought the RIA CS last weekend and I'm having the exact same issue you described with the Citadel...... runs ball ammo just fine, but not hollowpoints...... let me know what you did if you cure this issue with yours....

samurai
February 12, 2011, 07:57 PM
My favorite carry 45-Colt Defender Plus 8+1 of 45 fun-especially 185 JHP.

elderberry
February 12, 2011, 08:06 PM
When carrying just one simply isnt enough... :D


http://elderberry.smugmug.com/photos/1184397218_mf6Z6-M.jpg

fmcdave
February 12, 2011, 08:17 PM
As far as conceal-ability goes, I can carry my full size Kimber 1911 or my S&W 325pd under a light shirt with IWB holsters. A lot depends on your build, your holster, and your clothes. So, when wearing gym shorts and a light t-shirt, I clip on a Keltec P32. The 46oz Kimber would drag my pants down and subject me to a lot of laughing and pointing.

f451
February 13, 2011, 02:33 AM
God its good to be around people with brains instead of political correctness!!!!!

The only thing you can do to make any .45 reliable when they have trouble feeding anything besides ball is to have the ramp polished and the chamber on the barrel polished and throated. This is not a difficult process but best left to a gunsmith who has been trained for this.

At the Gunsmithing course at Murray State College, Tishomingo OK, that is one year of the corriculum! It covers all types of weapons, rifles and all, but the proceedure is relative to all weapons.

Years past even Colt .45s needed this done after purchase. Most of the time you can keep shooting them until they wear enough to polish the ramp area but its much faster, cheaper and simpler to have your smith do it.

Every pistol that was made for the US government was designed to fire .45 ball ammo. I am sure that now almost every pistol you buy will have this done to a degree from the factory. Maybe thats why they cost $800.00 dollars know. The new lower priced entries like the Springfield GI Expert is less expensive and has upgrades from a stock .45 like hammer and trigger, but they are not the quality of the Government Colt ofr Springfield models. When you pay 2 to 5 thousand for a custom race gone, your getting everything a gunsmith can do to a gun, parts and work. Make no mistake, the work that ANY good gunsmith does to a gun is worth every penny you spend. Someday it can save your life!

After really tearing into this pistol I am convinced that I could make it shoot anything I want and it's already proved that it can hit anything I can see.

If I had my choice of the Defender, the Kimber CC Compact or the Citadel? Why heck yeah i't take the Kimber! But is it worth $700.00 more than the Citadel? Weeeeell, I picked the Citadel. If anyone wants to trade their Kimber for my Citadel, let me know!

I bought a 70 Series Government model and took it straight to my gunsmith friend. $900.00 worth of parts and a Hard Chrome finish and I have owned one of the finest .45 Colts ever made. It looks exactly like it did when I brought it home 20 years ago.

One last rant. I have owned many handguns in my life an I have had every one of them gone through by my friend whether they were old an well used or straight out of the box. I have NEVER (knock on wood!) had a weapon fail to fire or feed when I needed it. I have bought the occasional Lemon, a Smith and Wesson 4 inch mod 29 comes to mind, and that bad boy was gone after I had S&W look it over and it did not perform when it came back!

f451
February 13, 2011, 02:06 PM
I looked at some of the other threads about polishing the feed ramp and I came across something that everyone should consider.

Polishing is one thing, taking metal off of your pistol is something completely different. Anyone can polish a feed ramp and throat area safely. You do not need a Dremel tool for this! If it is that bad, send it back to the manufacterer or to a good gunsmith.

Taking metal off of the frame or barrel can change everything about the timing of the weapon and other variables in its safe operation.

Just my .02 worth!

brnmuenchow
February 13, 2011, 02:15 PM
My fav. is the Sig Sauer P220"Compact SAS" .45ACP (Not the "Carry", the "compact" is actually better for concealment.)-- sorry no digital pictures at this time.

vaherder
February 13, 2011, 02:18 PM
If it has to be .45 acp. HK45c. If you can't afford it cut back on the cigs, beer, women, and fast food. Or get a second time job.

Forget any 1911 variants. They are inferior products.

Va herder

rellascout
February 13, 2011, 02:19 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/Colt-cco2.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/Colt-CCO.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/colt-cco3.jpg

Colt CCO for me....

Winkman822
February 14, 2011, 08:34 PM
My Wilson CQB Compact. I find that this is perfect for carry, 4" bull barrel, compact officer's frame with round butt treatment. The gun is all steel as opposed to having an alloy frame. Just a fine handling piece.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj250/mwink822/DSC02488.jpg

Alternately in the compact .45 category range, I have one of these:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj250/mwink822/DSC01795.jpg

Just a run of the mill nickel/stainless Colt CCO. Also a great gun, but I prefer the Wilson over the Colt in that the Wilson has a better carry bevel treatment, round butt, better trigger, and checkered front strap. I also like the all steel construction of the Wilson over the Colt and feel that it makes the gun easier to shoot (i.e. faster for follow-up shots).

CZ57
February 14, 2011, 09:09 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet so I will, the Glock 36. I am not a Glock fan but if I wanted a proven CC gun in .45 acp that would be it.;)

mljdeckard
February 14, 2011, 10:13 PM
Of course it's time to discuss this again, it's been.....hours.

bigfatdave
February 14, 2011, 10:17 PM
nothing but .50GI will do

Geckgo
February 14, 2011, 10:25 PM
hehehe, I voted 9mm even though I don't own one, I have an XD45 and no need for "deep concealment" or whatever they call it. I voted the 9mm for the mouse gun sized weapons that you can get :)

areagan
February 14, 2011, 11:27 PM
Get a Glock 36. Light and dependable, end of story.

Carne Frio
February 14, 2011, 11:35 PM
Didn't vote. Best for me is a full size 1911 in 10mm or a Glock M20.

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