working at a location that is not pro-gun


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jojo200517
February 16, 2011, 12:11 PM
As much as I love my current job at the local gun club I will be moving soon to a job at a manufacturing facility for better pay and hours and benefits.

While going thru orientation video today it said that firearms were not permited on property even in vehicles. Is this even legal? The vehicle is my private property and I don't like this one bit.

(state of SC incase anyone is wondering)

Parking across the road is not an option as this is across the street from a college campus.

It didn't specify loaded or unloaded firearms or what not it just said no firearms are allowed on our property even in vehicles even if you have permit to carry firearm.

I don't have a whole lot of options here about working somewhere else.

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birddog
February 16, 2011, 12:21 PM
This is pretty common. In discussing the same rule with my former employers (who, incidentally, were pro-gun), they agreed that a vehicle is YOUR property. However, when you park it on THEIR property, their rules apply.

jojo200517
February 16, 2011, 12:54 PM
Well yeah birddog you got a point about it being on their property. :banghead:

I plan on asking if it would be ok to have it disassembled and cased in the trunk of my vehicle. It will be very annoying to have to drive 30 miles back home and then 25 back to the club to be able to go shooting after work.

If not i'm gonna have to figure out something else, maybe I get me a cross bow for vehicle carry since its not a firearm per say and it did specify "firearm" not weapons. Fitting it in the dash or center console won't work so well so i'd have to look into SC laws on this. Geez this is crazy, I'm so used to being able to work around guns and even open carry on the job. :(

hirundo82
February 16, 2011, 01:04 PM
They can prohibit it for now. There is a bill in the SC legislature (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=6120) to allow storage in your car in employer parking lots, so contact your representatives.

jojo200517
February 16, 2011, 01:13 PM
Wow hirundo82 I really appreciate this information. This looks pretty new and I certainly will be contacting my representatives. (even tho they are all republicans I will find out there standing on this) Hopefully we can get the ball rolling on this.


EDIT: Representatives emailed.

MaddSkillz
February 16, 2011, 01:17 PM
But they cannot just randomly search your vehicle just to check to see if you have a firearm in it. Sooo....

kingpin008
February 16, 2011, 01:24 PM
But they cannot just randomly search your vehicle just to check to see if you have a firearm in it. Sooo....

Regardless, if he were to keep it in his car he'd be violating the law as it's currently written. And since we don't advocate breaking laws, let's not suggest ways to bend them either.

MaddSkillz
February 16, 2011, 01:36 PM
True. Government is the sole authority and knows what's best. Making sure to do all things, legally is the highest form of enlightenment as law trumps morals and ethics. I'm glad we promote doing the legal thing and not the right thing... Because when it all comes down to it at least we can tell God, "Hey, it was legal!"

Colonel
February 16, 2011, 01:53 PM
I certainly will be contacting my representatives. (even tho they are all republicans I will find out there standing on this)

This is one area where legislators' positions don't always line up the way you might expect.

On the "guns in employers' parking lots" issue, for example, many Republicans line up with the Chamber of Commerce types, who tend to back the positions of corporations / employers ... even if employees' self-defense rights are sacrificed in the process.

USAF_Vet
February 16, 2011, 02:04 PM
While there is no law against it where I live, my company restricts firearms in private vehicles parked on company property. It gets only lip service most times, especially around mid November. I think restricting weapons on the property is more a CYA thing for the company than anything else. No one bats an eye about my Benchmade automatic flipping open to cut the tape on boxes though. I guess it isn't considered a weapon in their eyes if I'm using it for utility purposes.

kingpin008
February 16, 2011, 02:47 PM
True. Government is the sole authority and knows what's best. Making sure to do all things, legally is the highest form of enlightenment as law trumps morals and ethics. I'm glad we promote doing the legal thing and not the right thing... Because when it all comes down to it at least we can tell God, "Hey, it was legal!"

Nice sarcasm. In response, all I've got to say is that this is The High Road, and we do things above the board here. When you joined, you agreed to do the same. If you don't like the law, you don't have to follow it. But when you're here, discussing, advocating, or describing illegal activity is verboten, period. If you have a problem with that, you might be happier somewhere else.

And if you think a law is bogus, work to change it instead of suggesting ways to become a criminal.

hso
February 16, 2011, 02:53 PM
Do not ask them how to get around their policy. Tell them you have a permit and want know what permission you need to lock the unloaded firearm in your trunk. If they say there isn't any take the info and make a decision based on that.

MaddSkillz
February 16, 2011, 03:50 PM
Nice sarcasm. In response, all I've got to say is that this is The High Road, and we do things above the board here. When you joined, you agreed to do the same. If you don't like the law, you don't have to follow it. But when you're here, discussing, advocating, or describing illegal activity is verboten, period. If you have a problem with that, you might be happier somewhere else.

And if you think a law is bogus, work to change it instead of suggesting ways to become a criminal.

I'm glad you sensed the sarcasm. It somewhat rekindles my hope in humanity.

CHEVELLE427
February 16, 2011, 03:56 PM
i think Disney tried that here in FLORIDA .

i believe it was shot down when tested.

hirundo82
February 16, 2011, 04:46 PM
But they cannot just randomly search your vehicle just to check to see if you have a firearm in it. Sooo....

Your employer may not be able to force you to submit to a search of your vehicle, but in at-will employment states they are free to fire you for refusing to allow the search.

Shadow 7D
February 16, 2011, 04:52 PM
Kinda, if they fire you for the given reason of refusing a search, then they are open to a lawsuit. They can fire for no REASON, but most won't cite a specific as it can give you grounds for legal action.

MaddSkillz
February 16, 2011, 05:37 PM
Interesting. In the state I work in, a place cannot infringe on a persons ability to defend themselves off the property. Thus, restricting a person from keeping a firearm in their vehicle is not allowed by law.

lloveless
February 16, 2011, 07:10 PM
nah , they would just fire you for insubordination.
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Old Fuff
February 16, 2011, 08:36 PM
I don't have a whole lot of options here about working somewhere else.

Keep in mind that if you discussed the issue with someone in management you might find yourself unemployed before you got started. :uhoh:

I suggest that you work for awhile until they get to know you, and then decide if you want to rattle any chains.

HankB
February 16, 2011, 09:13 PM
Regardless, if he were to keep it in his car he'd be violating the law as it's currently written. And since we don't advocate breaking laws, let's not suggest ways to bend them either. Hmmm . . . do company policies prohibiting firearms in locked vehicles have the force of LAW in that state? That is, can a person be criminally prosecuted for a firearm locked in their trunk because the company says so?

I'd never suggest breaking laws in an open forum, but I was never altogether religious about observing mere rules.

Art Eatman
February 16, 2011, 09:21 PM
The basics of the question have been covered. This question is nowhere near being new, so there's not much point in continuing. The problem varies among the states, so working with the state legislature is the only way to solve the problem. Venting about idiots doesn't accomplish anything.

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