The Holy Grail.


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tarosean
February 16, 2011, 06:12 PM
Im just curious as to what the Holy Grail of the NFA world would be???

i.e. the guns that there are probably only 1 or 2 in the DB.

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MtnCreek
February 16, 2011, 06:18 PM
Any Dillon MiniGuns in the DB?

CoRoMo
February 16, 2011, 06:31 PM
I was also going to say Dillon, but there might or might not be one or two G18s in the registry. That is far from what I'd call a Holy Grail though. But I think I've heard/read that there are only a couple transferable Kalashnikovs in the US. I don't know, but that is one that I'd place high on the list.

DoubleTapDrew
February 16, 2011, 06:40 PM
Probably a mini-gun. The last transferrable one I saw for sale was asking $200k or $250k, can't remember which. Even if I was given one for free I could never afford to feed it.
Someone was selling a pair of M249s on Sturmgewehr around that same time for $45k each, I don't think there are many of those in the DB. I've seen AKs listed in the $14k-$15k range so there must be a few out there (although those were probably converted guns, not factory originals).
I have heard no G18s are here since they weren't released until 1986 but have heard there are a couple beretta 93Rs. Saw one for sale, I think the owner was asking like $28k IIRC and was talking about how rare transferrable ones are.

TexasRifleman
February 16, 2011, 06:41 PM
Not many M14's, I have always heard less than 10 with stamps.

CoRoMo
February 16, 2011, 06:45 PM
Dang, I would have guessed more M14s than that. The 93R is another I figured would be few.

Robert
February 16, 2011, 06:49 PM
For me, and it may not be that rare, it would have to be a Lewis Gun. Always wanted one.

docnyt
February 16, 2011, 07:15 PM
what about the M3 carbine?

TexasRifleman
February 16, 2011, 07:49 PM
Dang, I would have guessed more M14s than that. The 93R is another I figured would be few.

I would too but I've had several serious collectors cite that number. I know when they do come up for sale the prices are staggering.

My personal Holy Grail is a Walther MPL submachinegun. I know there are a few because at one time I owned one and had to sell it. Bad times in the 80s :(

Been trying to get one back ever since and I can never find one for sale.

tarosean
February 16, 2011, 08:00 PM
Been trying to get one back ever since and I can never find one for sale.


Just saw one today as a matter of fact.


http://www.longmountain.com/

TexasRifleman
February 16, 2011, 08:11 PM
Just saw one today as a matter of fact.


Thanks. Dealer sample, can't have that one :(

I see lots of them that are dealer samples, not many fully transferable.

Exposure
February 16, 2011, 08:35 PM
M40A1 106MM Recoilless rifle. Supposedly there are some on the registry. It is a true fire breathing monster. Not sure what I would even do with it, but I sure would like to have it sitting in my living room as a conversation starter. :D

http://i48.tinypic.com/21l8wnq.jpg

pikid89
February 16, 2011, 10:55 PM
was there ever such thing as a Full Auto Ruger Standard/MKI/II?

DoubleTapDrew
February 17, 2011, 01:07 AM
M-14: http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=18034&query=retrieval
I've seen several for sale, usuallly between $14k-$20k so I wonder how many are in the registry.

I doubt there was ever a full auto ruger MkI or II, don't they only hold 10 rounds?

Oyeboten
February 17, 2011, 04:49 AM
For me, a Colt 'Monitor'.

Ian
February 17, 2011, 09:24 AM
The FG42 and MkB42(W) are both pretty interesting and extremely rare...

Me, I'd be happy with an RPD.

shotgunjoel
February 17, 2011, 09:46 AM
But I think I've heard/read that there are only a couple transferable Kalashnikovs in the US. I thought that some Vietnam vets got exemption after GCA 68 to bring back AKs.
M40A1 106MM Recoilless rifle. Supposedly there are some on the registry.
Well you could still register one, it's not a machine gun so you could still register a new one.

tarosean
February 17, 2011, 11:37 AM
I thought that some Vietnam vets got exemption after GCA 68 to bring back AKs.



I thought I read somewhere that the movie Red Dawn was responsible for bringing in most of the NFA "AK" variants that are in the US....

CoRoMo
February 17, 2011, 12:19 PM
...the NFA "AK" variants that are in the US....
I would only 'Holy Grail' the all original Kalashnikov from the man himself. I don't think that there are but a couple hundred, true factory original transferables in the US. Just the history factor alone for me.

jmorris
February 17, 2011, 12:32 PM
The GE M134 used in predator, terminator, matrix and a bunch of other movies sold for $125k with blank and live barrels and all of the movie prop stuff back in 2000

Vyacheslav
February 18, 2011, 05:58 PM
i think an fg42 is up there, i only ever saw one for sale and it was like $150k

hirundo82
February 18, 2011, 06:45 PM
I thought I read somewhere that the movie Red Dawn was responsible for bringing in most of the NFA "AK" variants that are in the US.... Imported machineguns couldn't be entered into the registry after the 1968 Gun Control Act, so any that were imported because of Red Dawn would be dealer samples only.

shotgunjoel
February 18, 2011, 09:03 PM
Imported machineguns couldn't be entered into the registry after the 1968 Gun Control Act, so any that were imported because of Red Dawn would be dealer samples only.
I would imagine that they were imported as semis and converted to full auto in the US.

LHRGunslinger
February 18, 2011, 09:20 PM
Simple answer: The ones we can't get our hands on. Like the AN-94, and the PP19 Bizon

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 19, 2011, 08:47 PM
We are talking about the guns that are in the registry, not those that can't be.

karlsgunbunker
February 19, 2011, 11:04 PM
For Me 1927A1 Thompson.

avs11054
February 20, 2011, 12:28 AM
For me, having any FA would be "a holy grail" type of gun. Just a fraction of a percent of people will ever own one.

memphisjim
February 20, 2011, 12:41 AM
either an ak
or m4 with a american 180 upper

Justin
February 20, 2011, 01:34 AM
I'm a man of simple tastes.

A Thompson would pretty much be my Holy Grail NFA gun. I wouldn't even be picky about which variant, so long as it ran.

S.W.G.
February 20, 2011, 10:36 AM
Imported machineguns couldn't be entered into the registry after the 1968 Gun Control Act, so any that were imported because of Red Dawn would be dealer samples only.


On LongMountainOutfitters they say that the AK's used in Red Dawn were converted semi-autos. Imported legally, given a happy-switch, now civilian-transferable.

S.W.G.
February 20, 2011, 10:39 AM
Here's an obscure one:

The SPECTRE smg. 9mm. Quad-stack magazines.

According to a website I came across, there are only TWO, count 'em, one, two, in the civilian registry.

Now that would be worth a chunk of change!

LiquidTension
February 20, 2011, 11:57 AM
Even though they're pretty common, an M16 receiver would be my holy grail. There's just so much you can do with a registered lower - pistol cal, rifle cal, .22 conversion... Too bad I'll probably never have one :(

LHRGunslinger
February 20, 2011, 10:32 PM
The SPECTRE smg. 9mm. Quad-stack magazines.

+1 The Spectre was a beautiful design. Unfortunately it came too late in the game for it to be a major player.

I know it wouldn't be transferrable but a full-auto integrally supressed AK would be pretty awesome.

max popenker
February 21, 2011, 10:30 AM
Several years ago I saw a BAR M1918 serial No.1 (yes) being sold as 'fully transferable' at $600,000 or so.
Also, any JMB-built prototype will automatically make it a 'holy grail', at least in my humble opinion ;)

shotgunjoel
February 21, 2011, 11:00 PM
Several years ago I saw a BAR M1918 serial No.1 (yes) being sold as 'fully transferable' at $600,000 or so.
Also, any JMB-built prototype will automatically make it a 'holy grail', at least in my humble opinion
Like the original M2? That would be golden, far beyond the BAR.

Zoogster
February 21, 2011, 11:41 PM
There appears to be a decent number of quad .50s that would probably be the holy grail of burning through money in the form of ammo in short time.

Rate of fire: $6,000+ per minute.
Double that if you like nice rounds.

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 25, 2011, 02:45 AM
According to a website I came across, there are only TWO, count 'em, one, two, in the civilian registry.


Is there a website that shows all the weapons in the registry?

Rubber_Duck
February 25, 2011, 10:09 AM
For me, the holy grail is a Model 1928 Thompson Submachine Gun, complete with both stick and drum magazines as well as a velvet-lined violin case for transport.

earlthegoat2
February 25, 2011, 12:03 PM
Im in aggreement with the Thompson. I would really like an M1A1 with a Cutts compensator. Im not sure if it kept the M1A1 designation with the Cutts on it though. Not many around but they do exist.

TexasRifleman
February 25, 2011, 12:08 PM
Good thing about Thompsons, other than price, is that there are quite a few that are transferable so they can at least be found for sale pretty often.

bannockburn
February 25, 2011, 12:14 PM
I think my all-time NFA HG gun would have to be a Lewis Gun. Second place would go to a Model 1928 Thompson, while a Colt Monitor or Browning M1918 BAR would come in third.

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 25, 2011, 02:15 PM
What about one of the full auto 1911s? Pointless yet fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3UdbFTAEks

LHRGunslinger
February 25, 2011, 09:43 PM
What about one of the full auto 1911s? Pointless yet fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3UdbFTAEks

Now I'm thinking about building something like that off a Para Ord P14-45 after I finish gunsmithing school. Assuming I can do so legally of course.

S.W.G.
February 26, 2011, 01:11 AM
Is there a website that shows all the weapons in the registry?


It was a Class III dealer who specializes in Thompsons. He had a picture of one and stated that there were only two in the registry.

TexasRifleman
February 26, 2011, 10:58 AM
Is there a website that shows all the weapons in the registry?

Since NFA is a tax thing all of the records are private so no, there is no complete list of what's out there. Would be quite a thing to read :)

cleardiddion
February 26, 2011, 11:25 PM
What I would adore is an original FAL with the happy switch.
Just something about those rifles that tickles my fancy like no other.

CapnMac
February 26, 2011, 11:40 PM
In that <10 on the NFR, the .38super Thompson's would have to be there--both i nthe "cool" and the "rare" factor.

Makes me wonder about all those LE armories that have all sorts of things stashed in them, because no one knew what to do with them. Which is probably one with all the WWII age folks who have things stashed in attics and cellars and the like all these years. Which brings to mind the apocryphal story of the anti congress critter who was chastised for having a "bring back" Reising who then claimed NFA did not apply as it was "broken" (bad magazine).

Sebastian the Ibis
February 28, 2011, 08:28 PM
Not many M14's, I have always heard less than 10 with stamps.

I saw one for sale here for $500 USD, if my exchange rate calculation was correct:

http://firearms.co.nz/

Its almost worth taking an NFA vacation.

RDCL
February 28, 2011, 08:38 PM
For me, a Colt made Thompson......a very low ser# with thinnest barrel fins.

Russ

Flfiremedic
March 6, 2011, 08:13 AM
How many Galils made it in?

Dr.Rob
March 18, 2011, 04:25 PM
BAR chopped down by Clyde Barrow. Think there are 3-4 in museums. That's pretty rare right?

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