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B J Elliott
February 16, 2011, 06:55 PM
I just purchased a new Bersa Thunder .380 and have not fired it yet. My very first impression so far is that is seems to be very light but sorta seems to be just cheap. I know, having not fired it yet and all but the metal seems to be of cheap quality or something. Am I wrong here. Any comments would help. Thanks.

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MICHAEL T
February 16, 2011, 06:58 PM
come to Bersachat and learn what a great pistol you bought . You have a nice pistol at a good price. I now have 3 of the 380 Thunders

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Nushif
February 16, 2011, 07:00 PM
Mine works just fine. Accurate, light, easy to use.

When people usually say "cheap" they mean "I wanted something else."

If you want a three pound solid steel block made by Caspian, LesBaer or whoever ... buy that? As is, in a Bersa you get a lightweight shootable and concealable handgun. Sorry if I sound harsh, but I do get that feeling at times when people describe their gun as "cheap."

steelerdude99
February 16, 2011, 07:02 PM
It's not a bad little gun. I got mine new at $210.00. For what I paid for it about 4 years ago, I got my money's worth. The mag. capacity is small. Bersa makes an improved model w/ a double stack mag now.

chuck

clutch
February 16, 2011, 07:07 PM
I have a Bersa 95 in .380, a similar pistol. I've put a lot of rounds downrange. The only issue I've had is a grip screw fell out.

I quit counting rounds fired after the first 1000 or so.

The gun is accurate due to a fixed barrel (blow back action). It is low powered as in 95 hard ball can just make it to the thin side of a 2x4 which is 1.5" thick.

I recently ordered a 442-1 J frame in .38 +P. I wanted a bit more power and concealability even at the expense of lower round count.

Don't feel bad about buying a Bersa, it is a fairly inexpensive pocket auto that works and will fire a lot of rounds with out breaking. If this is what you could afford and would fit your carry profile, you didn't do too bad. I'll never get rid of mine. Any gun you have beats any gun you didn't bring.

Clutch

thunder173
February 16, 2011, 07:11 PM
I have 3 of the Firestorm versions,...22 and .380,...and a .45 Mini Thunder/UC,...they are inexpensive,..but man can they shoot.

B J Elliott
February 16, 2011, 07:16 PM
No offense meant!!

Frozen North
February 16, 2011, 07:21 PM
I have a Bersa Thunder 380 CC. I can honestly say that it does not feel cheap at all. The machine work is clean and it looks good. I have asked my friends to guess what I paid for it, the average guess is $500. I think it is ALLOT of pistol for the money.

I was weary of the pistol for what I paid for it, but it has proven itself a winner.

B J Elliott
February 16, 2011, 07:30 PM
I am feeling a lot better after all these positive posts, can't wait to go to the ole range. Thanks everyone..

btg3
February 16, 2011, 08:10 PM
Fun gun to shoot, but .380 ammo is pricey.

Nice size for CC on the belt, but 9mm compacts are no bigger.

For pocket carry, J-frames are smaller and offer bigger bullets.

Regardless, I'm not looking to part with my Bersa Thunder .380.

wow6599
February 16, 2011, 09:55 PM
Bersa Thunder DuoTone here.........for $259 + tax I think it's an outsatnding firearm.

john5036
February 16, 2011, 09:58 PM
If it's going to be your carry weapon, try to stay away from Fiocchi JHP rounds because their bullet is jagged, and stick with Speer Gold Dots as the bullet is rounded and they will cycle through your gun, but ALSO THE MAGAZINE reliably. My experience with Fiocchi HPs were terrible in my BT380. FTFs, and magazine failures galore.

Also, the gun is manufactured to pretty tight specifications, and while your mileage may vary, it will NEED a break-in period of up to 500 rounds. Again, UP TO. As you shoot the gun more and more, you'll see the slide and feed ramp begin to show signs of where most of the "traffic" is as it cycles the rounds.

Otherwise, once you've let the gun "grow up a bit" it's a great shooter, with very decent accuracy.

MICHAEL T
February 16, 2011, 11:20 PM
Use only factory mags by at http://condorflight.com

Holsters and grips at above also

best Bersa holsters are made by http://ubgholsters.com

Member of bersachat 10% off at condorsflight after 10 posts Free shipping on holsters at UBG for members . Plus Drawings for mags, t shirts, hats, and more.
http://bersachat.com

fireman5069
February 17, 2011, 12:32 AM
The only trouble I have with mine is when you remove the mag if you look at it wrong, the slide will slam closed. I think it has something to do with the slide release being worn. No, I don't use the release to close but it has worn over time. Wish this was something I could repair.

btg3
February 17, 2011, 07:24 AM
fireman5069 -- If the slide catch is worn, replacements are available (see link). If the
slide is worn, I would consider doing a little filing to restore the notch. In either case, be sure the slide catch spring is strong enough, or replace.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=1133020A&catid=10502

Creature
February 17, 2011, 07:49 AM
You wanted a chevy but bought a yugo.

And yes, I have owned a Bersa before. Broke twice, fixed twice and got rid of it. And Bersachat doesnt tolerate anything but raving and glowing reviews. They slam any kind of honest negative feedback.

birddog
February 17, 2011, 08:08 AM
I can give honest POSITIVE feedback. The Bersa Thunder 380 is one of my three main carry guns, the others being .357 snubbie and .45 acp semi-auto. I thoroughly enjoy shooting mine at the range, and it's by far the most accurate semi-auto that I own. I am not sure why you think it reeks of cheapness. Mine has swalled thousands (at least 3000, possibly more) of rounds of everything from Wolf to Speer Gold Dots. Maybe one -- ONE -- FTF in all the time I've owned it (about 6 years). It's very easy to disassemble and clean and, for the same reason, very easy to replace parts and -- most importantly -- to understand how it works. I think it's reliable, good quality, and (caliber wars aside) trust it as a carry pistol.

Every brand of gun has its lemons, including Bersa. But you'll find lots of fans here, and with good reason.

Creature
February 17, 2011, 08:15 AM
A lot of people seem to like them, but I think that has a lot more to do with the price than the quality.

harmon rabb
February 17, 2011, 11:07 AM
A lot of people seem to like them, but I think that has a lot more to do with the price than the quality.

They're pretty well made and have nice triggers. They're great little shooters. My wife's carry gun to be (as soon as her permit arrives) is a Bersa Thunder I've had for a while, and I own 30+ guns and am in a financial position to buy her whatever carry gun she would like. The Bersa works for her. I'm happy with that. There are some modern 380 jhp loads that fully expand and get 12 inches of penetration.

Creature
February 17, 2011, 11:18 AM
They're pretty well made

...I would say that is an overstatement. Their fit and finish is not what you would find on a high or even a mid-grade firearm. The materials that go into them are not of high quality, hence their low cost.

Dr_B
February 17, 2011, 11:35 AM
Bersa Thunders are great guns. The price is good and they are very reliable. I sold mine only because I wanted something smaller for pocket carry. They are great on the belt and you can get .22 models for plinking as well.

Fastcast
February 17, 2011, 11:36 AM
Looked at one years back, when they first hit the market. Heard the glowing reviews and low price so decided to take a look.

No love here, wasn't really impressed and it appeared the cheap price was in accordance with what I was looking at. At least to my eyes. Maybe they've improved since, don't really know because I never cared to give one a second look. Saw enough then.

Bought a Beretta 84 instead and glad I decided not to make price the deciding factor. Bersa was $200 then, Beretta $500 so yea not really a fair comparison but when shooting .380 it's not the price of the pistol but the ammo so you might as well buy the best one you can afford. The extra $300 is long forgotten.

Creature
February 17, 2011, 02:49 PM
For a better made gun made from far better materials for about the same cost of a Bersa, get a Makarov.

http://www.coledistributing.com/pics/E.German%20makarov.JPG

One-Time
February 17, 2011, 02:56 PM
Bersa is a decent gun for the price, and quality is improving steadily though the only issues Ive ever encountered was that in some models the mag spring is weak, and if you load it w/ 7 like its supposed to be they may jam, so go w/ 6 or better springs.

My carry choice is a SIG, but im lookoing at a affordable pocket gun and im after the bersas in 40 and 45 for that

BP Hunter
February 17, 2011, 03:08 PM
I have 2, the thunder and recently purchased a CC. The thunder is my wifes and the CC is mine for pocket carry. It is, I think, the best buy for the buck. It is light, accurate and VERY reliable. For self defense, I load mine with Hornady Critical defense ammo.

The Bersa is well worth your dollar. Enjoy it!

Giterboosted
February 17, 2011, 03:15 PM
The only thing I can say about mine that is bad, is that I can't justify still owning it with everything else I own, but I just don't see myself ever getting rid of it because its such a well made little gun

schnarrgj
February 17, 2011, 07:30 PM
Started out with a BT380 duotone and the wife loved it so much I lost it to her. Then I was forced to get the matte finish:evil:. I purchase them for use. My wife's has over 2500 rounds trough it and mine only about 1500. Never had a problem period. Got a 45UC and am very pleased.

All of them are extremely reliable, accurate and easy to shoot or conceal. With a lifetime warrantee that actually means something what is there not to like. As far a the finish, yes there are better, but I USE mine. Finish is very far down on the list. You cannot go wrong with the Bersa.

With http://www.bersachat.com/forums/forum.php, I go there often get good information. Also they will and do want to hear about problems and try to help resolve them. They are good people.

DougW
February 17, 2011, 10:35 PM
I have had 2 Thunder .380's for over 10 years. One is always with me somehow. TOTALLY reliable. I never feel under gunned when carrying one. I have never had any issues with either of them.

MedWheeler
February 17, 2011, 10:39 PM
Throw my vote in.. as I've said, if .380 ammo were as inexpensive and plentiful as .22LR is, my Thunder would be my most enjoyable gun to shoot, even beating out my Mark-II Ruger.

MICHAEL T
February 18, 2011, 01:21 AM
And Bersachat doesnt tolerate anything but raving and glowing reviews. They slam any kind of honest negative feedback.
__________________

I would like proof of that statement. We go out of way to help if as person has a problem .To solve it or get him help. So show me your proof . As you can see here majority of people like their Bersa and you the only one calling names. .

You know where you can find me if you want to come over their and discuss . Iam their off and on all day long and in to the night.

Taurus_9mm
February 18, 2011, 07:42 AM
I've never owned a Bersa product but have had my interest piqued by their .22 pistols. The prices don't look too bad either.

NMGonzo
February 18, 2011, 09:18 AM
...I would say that is an overstatement. Their fit and finish is not what you would find on a high or even a mid-grade firearm. The materials that go into them are not of high quality, hence their low cost.

Prove your claim.

I've owned 4 bersas in the last 20 years in 3 different countries.

SigP229R
February 18, 2011, 09:45 AM
I have 4 pistols in my carry rotation, P229R .40 a P6 9mm, S&W 5903 TSW 9mm and a newly acquired Beretta 92fs Centurian. I have a Bersa thunder TT however my wife keeps it at home and dares me to touch it otherwise I would have five in rotation. They are a nice little pistol and a good price. Don't let the price fool you they are a terriffic little pistol for the money.

Creature
February 18, 2011, 11:10 AM
As I said before, I have owned a Bersa Thunder pistol, purchased NIB.

On two separate occasions this pistol suffered breakages that rendered the gun inoperable. That pistol was broken most of the time I had it. The run around which I endured for the warranty was more than I could endure. In the end I cannibalized parts from another Bersa with a cracked frame that my local gun smith had on hand just so that I could sell it. I later found out from that same gun smith that one of those replaced parts broke again.

I stand by my suggestion that for the money, a Makarov is a far better choice. I own two of these as well: an East German Mak as well as a Bulgarian Mak. Both of which I purchased for under $250. I also own a 1969 and a 1972 Polish Radom P-64 which I consider a better made pistol...despite their atrocious triggers. Both of these cost less me than $200 each.

Micheal T, you and I have gone around on the subject on other forums. I was banned from one particular bersa forum and all of my posts deleted after I posted less than rave reviews, which, as I recall included PM's. I was accused of being a bersa hater out on a crusade but I was only providing my personal, if only anecdotal, experiences with my bersa. So for those of you who demand "proof" of bersa forums being slightly biased, you'll have to take my word for it...take it or leave it.

However, many threads can be found on other forums about bersa quality. Here is just one interesting thread (that I did not participate in) which some of you may or may not be inclined to read:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268896&highlight=comments+on+bersa

Alex23
February 18, 2011, 11:32 AM
I have the CC and the Thunder 9 (fullsize). They're accurate, reliable, and affordable pistols. The finish could be better but it is not bad for the money.

Fastcast
February 18, 2011, 12:02 PM
I stand by my suggestion that for the money, a Makarov is a far better choice.

Without a doubt!

franco45
February 18, 2011, 05:31 PM
As far as your opinion goes creature, I'll leave it. It's a good thing you have 2 of those P64s creature because if one breaks you will be the only place you can find parts. I belong to Bersachat. I own 2 Bersa 380s. I had problems with one of mine. I posted a negative post in disgust and the people on Bersachat replied in a very helpful manner. They talked me through the problem (spring under the right grip that effected the trigger) and the gun was up and running in about 15 minutes. They did not throw me off the forum for my negative post.

clutch
February 18, 2011, 06:10 PM
Use only factory mags by at http://condorflight.com



That URL is pointing to a domain reseller. Typo?

Thanks,

Clutch

RidgwayCO
February 18, 2011, 06:56 PM
OK, a Bersa thread with only one gun picture and it's of a MAKAROV?? Let fix that right now. Here's a couple of pics of my Bersa Series 95, all dressed up with her Black-T finish, 9 round magazine, and Crimson Trace laser grips. Trust me, I wouldn't have put the money and effort into making her into this if she hadn't started life as an extremely accurate, reliable firearm...

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/4557/bersa95lsr.jpg

http://img602.imageshack.us/img602/2074/bersa95rsr.jpg

MICHAEL T
February 18, 2011, 07:37 PM
http://condorsflight.com


sorry left out a s This should work Remember 10% off if member of Bersachat with 10 posts.

MICHAEL T
February 18, 2011, 07:40 PM
Here is one I was just presented with by importer. This is a special run of 10 . I got #6

http://www.bersachat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=993&d=1297999448

bobalou
February 20, 2011, 07:23 PM
I like my Bersa uc9mm. I like it's ppk style. I like the hammer and drop safety. I like DA/SA. 14 rounds 2 mags. Well balanced. Not too heavy and not too light. Not much flip back. Tack driver for a 3.5 in barrel. It doesn't jam, not picky with ammo. I like the price and the guarantee as long as I keep it. It's resell probably won't be great, but I probably won't sell it. I don't think it's a high endurance gun, but I'm pretty sure I can get at least 5000 rounds out of it, if i can afford to. If it breaks, they'll fix it. If it get's stolen I won't cry too long over $375. It will outlive me. One might can find a better gun, but not for the price, unless they steal mine.

Frozen North
February 20, 2011, 07:33 PM
The Makerov is steel framed pistol often chambered in an obscure round.

For pocket carry, an aluminum framed Bersa chambered in a common round is a much better.

What is the deal with the lack of a slide release on those?

harmon rabb
February 20, 2011, 08:04 PM
The Makerov is steel framed pistol often chambered in an obscure round.

9x18 is far from obscure. Pretty much any gun store will have it, and it's available pretty much anywhere online for about $9/50, making it cheaper than 9x19.

About the only place you CAN'T find 9x18 is walmart.

Frozen North
February 20, 2011, 08:11 PM
No one around here has it. Cabelas has one kind of FMJ, and one JHP offering. No one else carries it.

With the way that 9mm and 380 dried up about a year ago, I would suspect one problem with the 9x18 supply chain and it would be non existent.

Most gun shops around here have dozens of 380 choices.

I almost bought a Makerov instead of the Bersa. The weight and lack of a slide release were a big turn off, the availability of ammo sealed the deal. The Makerov was $20 cheaper too!

Snowdog
February 20, 2011, 08:39 PM
I have no experience with the .380acp model Bersas, but I do have a UC9 Pro and I'll gladly say the quality is fine and the quality of materials isn't poor in the slightest.

Here's a link of an interesting video (http://www.vidbox.org/video/lvB93CmCndo/Bersa_with_1500_shot_and_no_jamsflv.html) where 1500 rounds are put through a Thunder 9 in about 15 minutes. This doesn't really prove a whole lot, but it does indicate the pistol isn't poorly made or of poor materials.

Again, I have no experience with the .380acp models, but the UC9 (and I'm sure by extension the .40S&W and .45acp) Thunder models are solidly made, even if the finish doesn't look too hot.

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