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Phaethon
February 16, 2011, 07:05 PM
So I've been laying down orders on quite a few milsurps lately, and I've checked out (what I've thought) to be every gun-selling site in existence.

Now, I'd happened across the SOG website on numerous occasions and never saw any firearms, until I finally realized that I had to have an FFL on file with them to be able to see anything noteworthy! I only came upon this realization when looking at their site again, after reading a post several years old about how their wholesale prices are dramatically cheaper than anything posted on AIM Surplus, J&G, or elsewhere. (The difference in question was AIM's VZ-24 retailing for $230, while SOG was purportedly selling them at $160 a pop)

This post was three years old, so, can someone fill me in on whether this is still the case? I'm too young to be registered with an FFL or C&R, so I'm kind of dismayed that I may be missing out on great deals here. I guess I'll have to set up a meeting with my local FFL dealer to get him to check around on there for me.

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Birddog1911
February 16, 2011, 07:26 PM
I had a bad experience with SOG, and will never do business with them again.

Rancho Relaxo
February 16, 2011, 08:30 PM
I had a bad experience with SOG, and will never do business with them again.

Care to elaborate?

Sport45
February 16, 2011, 08:45 PM
It's been several years, but I had no problem with my orders from SOG. I think I bought bayonets and ammunition from them.

NCsmitty
February 16, 2011, 10:21 PM
I have a C&R and SOG doesn't seem to have any better deals than other popular sites. I've bought most of my milsurp bolt rifles from Century Arms.



NCsmitty

stanmo
February 16, 2011, 11:49 PM
I've had good luck with them. the vz-24's I saw on SOG are the 7mm, AIM has the 8mm.

donkee
February 17, 2011, 07:56 AM
I have heard a lot of bad comments on SOG's offerings and customer service.

Maybe it is just me, but they have been pretty good. The RC K98 I got from them was a bit of a dissapointment, but still not too bad. It is mechanically in good shape, just a little more pitting that I would have expected from their description. Everything else has been good.

Birddog1911
February 17, 2011, 08:05 AM
I was told that I'd be getting a NEW PSL, and instead they sent me what I believed was a used Tennessee Guns FPK. That's as much as I care to elaborate.

zoom6zoom
February 17, 2011, 09:58 AM
I've done much business with them as a C&R and have never been disappointed.

stonecutter2
February 17, 2011, 10:15 AM
To answer the OP's post:

Yes, it's still the the case, pricewise - but...

AIM comes with a bayonet/scabbard and is 8mm in "very good+ to excellent condition" and "bores will not be bright and shiny but will have deep lands and grooves."

SOG is 7mm Mauser and no bayonet, in "good overall condition." No mention of bore condition.

Various reports of SOG I've read (no personal experience) run from no issues to disappointment over condition.

For the extra bit of money, personally, I'd hit up the AIM deal.

donkee
February 17, 2011, 11:14 AM
I second the AIM Mauser.

Unless you want a 7mm.......

harmon rabb
February 17, 2011, 11:27 AM
Various reports of SOG I've read (no personal experience) run from no issues to disappointment over condition.


Allow me to retort then ;) From SOG, I have purchased: a M57 tokarev, a TT-33 tokarev, a PA-63, a Makarov, and two P-83's. All have been in great condition. The pa-63, makarov, and p-83's were in like new, unfired condition. Hell, the pa-63 didn't even have a spec of cosmoline on it.

Every order I have made at SOG was shipped immediately, they have better prices than anyone on most of the milsurp stuff, and they don't do the bullcrap thing that most others do of making you pay extra for the 2nd mag that was actually included with the gun as they received it.

After positive experiences time and time again, I'd have no fear in ordering from them. In fact, when I ordered the pa-63, I asked for a handpick, and the woman on the phone told me that they're all in such good condition that I'd just be wasting my money on a handpick.

stonecutter2
February 17, 2011, 02:56 PM
Allow me to retort then ;) From SOG, I have purchased: a M57 tokarev, a TT-33 tokarev, a PA-63, a Makarov, and two P-83's. All have been in great condition. The pa-63, makarov, and p-83's were in like new, unfired condition. Hell, the pa-63 didn't even have a spec of cosmoline on it.

Every order I have made at SOG was shipped immediately, they have better prices than anyone on most of the milsurp stuff, and they don't do the bullcrap thing that most others do of making you pay extra for the 2nd mag that was actually included with the gun as they received it.

After positive experiences time and time again, I'd have no fear in ordering from them. In fact, when I ordered the pa-63, I asked for a handpick, and the woman on the phone told me that they're all in such good condition that I'd just be wasting my money on a handpick.
So...you're in the "no issues" category of my post then.

That's cool, glad you've had great experience with them - more often than not on forums you hear more bad than good experiences. Always nice to hear when someone has a great experience (or multiple) from a store. I think the nature of milsurps and C&R is the luck of the draw (which I actually find very fun). Sometimes you're a big winner, sometimes not so much.

nathan
February 17, 2011, 03:11 PM
I had a M 48 BO returned to SOG . No more dealing with this outfit as far im concerned. Im glad they paid for the shipping back.

leadcounsel
February 17, 2011, 06:32 PM
I do NOT care for SOG and will not do biz with them again.

I had a bad experience and then they didn't honor their promise to re-imburse shipping. Their "contact us via email" comment box is permanently down. Their reps were rude to me too. No thanks.

Their prices are no better, and often the same or worse than others. Sure, their guns may be a few dollars less, but come with less extras like mags, bayonets, holsters, etc.

And yes, the CZ Mausers are different caliber and condition.

macadore
February 17, 2011, 06:41 PM
Back when SOG posted their prices they were comparable to AIM. I paid for a hand picked CZ 52 from SOG. When it arrived, the firing pin was broken. I have purchased much more from AIM and still do . Never had any problems.

Jeff H
February 17, 2011, 08:07 PM
I picked up a Mosin 91/30 from SOG last year for $77 IIRC and I was very pleased with the speed of shipping, the price and the quality of the rifle. I know its only one gun so maybe I got lucky but since they are local to me (of course so is AIM) I could always drive over there and complain if I wasn't happy.

Orlando
February 17, 2011, 08:50 PM
Sorry Old Guns= SOG

Sport45
February 17, 2011, 09:01 PM
That's cool, glad you've had great experience with them - more often than not on forums you hear more bad than good experiences.

Isn't that a universal truth? When someone has a problem they seek information. They find forums and other means by which to complain or seek answers. The satisfied customers have no need for this and are often silent.

Hillbillyz
February 17, 2011, 09:37 PM
I've ordered three guns from them and ammunition at different times, I have always got what I ordered on time and in great shape.

Flash!
February 17, 2011, 09:49 PM
I purchased several guns from SOG...... I did return one that did not work properly and there no questions asked..... nothing from outward appearances would have been obvious that the gun had problems so I can not fault SOG...great customer service.....

All other guns were as advertised and at better prices than elsewhere... I will buy from them again.

Motega
February 17, 2011, 09:53 PM
glad this came up because I placed my first order with them this week. I found their communications terse and unfriendly and the 2 girls I spoke with were the same. They tack on shipping after the order is placed and without telling you- which I found irritating but as this was my first bulk ammo order is perhaps the norm. What REALLY pissed me off was the fine print under their "terms and conditions" (which is in no way mentioned at any time during the sale) that there is a percentage fee added on for credit card sales. I thought this was against the "rules" merchants have to follow for cards. In any case it was a ****** move and allows them to advertise slightly lower prices when in reality you might be paying more after all is said and done. Just seems a little dishonest to me because I have to believe that 99% of folks are going to pay with a credit card.

CZguy
February 17, 2011, 11:19 PM
I was frankly surprised to read that several of the posts didn't like SOG. I've had a C&R for a decade now and have bought from many different Company's. SOG and AIM are two of the best. In my experience both of these Companies advertise accurately, and have good customer service. I guess everyone will have to make up their own mind.

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That's cool, glad you've had great experience with them - more often than not on forums you hear more bad than good experiences.

Isn't that a universal truth? When someone has a problem they seek information. They find forums and other means by which to complain or seek answers. The satisfied customers have no need for this and are often silent.

I agree with this. I don't think that forums give an accurate refection of how a company is doing.

macadore
February 18, 2011, 03:56 AM
What REALLY pissed me off was the fine print under their "terms and conditions" (which is in no way mentioned at any time during the sale) that there is a percentage fee added on for credit card sales. I thought this was against the "rules" merchants have to follow for cards. In any case it was a ****** move and allows them to advertise slightly lower prices when in reality you might be paying more after all is said and done. Just seems a little dishonest to me because I have to believe that 99% of folks are going to pay with a credit card.

Bud's does the same thing.

stonecutter2
February 18, 2011, 12:12 PM
Bud's does the same thing.
Yep. Whether it's ethical or not, I don't know - I do find it misleading in a way. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that credit card company agreements mean that a vendor can't specifically pass on fees to a customer just for using their credit card, but i guess that depends on the specific agreement a vendor has.

That'd be like going into a drug store for a $5 box of band aids. Oh, you want to use a credit or debit card for that? $5.15 then.

That would be weird. And I would drive down the street to another drug store.

stonecutter2
February 18, 2011, 12:14 PM
Isn't that a universal truth? When someone has a problem they seek information. They find forums and other means by which to complain or seek answers. The satisfied customers have no need for this and are often silent.
Yeah, it sure is. This is why I occasionally make it a point to talk to a customer service rep's manager when they've done a really GOOD job, because otherwise all they hear is how terrible someone did something or other.

leadcounsel
February 19, 2011, 09:24 AM
I disagree. I, and others, frequently sing the praises of companies with GREAT customer service. Sure, complainers are more common, but compliments on boards for companies are frequent.

Yes, I also agree that SOG's surcharge is an unethical business practice. Another reason I won't use them. It's deceptive.

UpTheHill
February 19, 2011, 03:12 PM
"... that there is a percentage fee added on for credit card sales. I thought this was against the "rules" merchants have to follow for cards. "


it is. that's why stores call it a "cash discount"
technically they are not charging you more to use a CC, they are giving you a discount for paying with cash.

you say tomAto, he says toMAHto

Phaethon
February 19, 2011, 03:25 PM
Most sellers on Gunbroker do the 3% charge as well. I was under the impression that this was a common practice? In any case it rarely ever amounts to more than ten dollars, so I don't hold that against anyone. It's really a question of how much your time and patience are worth, considering that it takes significantly longer to process a check or money order..

GBExpat
February 19, 2011, 05:22 PM
There was a time several years back when "SOG" was used among our kind (C&R People) as a bad verb ... as in making references to "getting SOGed".

I was SOGed on a few occasions and decided then to only buy items from them on which I was fairly sure that they couldn't/wouldn't screw-up.

Hopefully they have improved since then. After reading reports on what some folks had actually received, I ordered a few TT-33 variants from them last summer with no subsequent issues.

Sport45
February 19, 2011, 10:42 PM
Removed by Sport45

Too general and not on topic for SOG discussion.

karlsgunbunker
February 19, 2011, 11:16 PM
I've done business with SOG as a C&R and 01FFL.
Always had great service, the girls are always very polite and pleasant.

Maybe your attitude caused their impolite response?

"... that there is a percentage fee added on for credit card sales. I thought this was against the "rules" merchants have to follow for cards. "

that's why stores call it a "cash discount"
technically they are not charging you more to use a CC, they are giving you a discount for paying with cash.

SOG is a "Distributor" they are willing to sell to C&R's and even non-FFL's (Ammo etc.) which is not always the case. Many distributors will not accept C&R's period.

They typically deal with dealers who appreciate the "Cash Discount".
Their pricing structure is geared more toward "Dealers" than individuals.
Their policies and pricing are clearly stated in their flyers and online, always read the fine print.

HEAVY METAL 1
February 19, 2011, 11:50 PM
I have found that they overrate the conditions of the guns they sell. If you order from them avoid the handpick fee as you won't get any better of a condition gun. Use the handpick only if you want a particular code/mark selected. They do not check the bores as they told me "we aren't gunsmiths". They only look at the exterior because the bores are sometimes plugged w/ cosmo & they don't clean them.

And be aware they only sell "non-corossive" ammunition. Yeah, right. Funny how all the other vendors selling the same ammo warn you that it is corossive, but SOG's is magically not so...:confused:

I did get a very nice 91/30 from them & one heck of a deal on an Argentine 45.

Janos Dracwlya
February 20, 2011, 12:35 AM
I've ordered from SOG on a couple of occasions; ammunition and other accessories, no guns.

I've had no problems and the customer service representatives have always been friendly and helpful.

A lot of the dealers in my area charge extra if you use a credit card, so I wasn't too surprised when they told me there would be a surcharge. I sent my order in by mail with a check instead; the stamp was cheaper than the credit card surcharge.

Motega
February 20, 2011, 12:43 PM
I got the ammo and it was packaged as expected and doesn't look corroded or anything.
Look, if you are going to charge for a credit card just tell me- don't be sneaky about it. LOL "read the fine print" yeah right, everyone who has read through every cable/satellite/cell phone contract raise your hands. It isn't like a mortgage here I was buying some freaking ammo. So for a sneaky $5 smack in the mouth it cost them a potentially decent customer.

Snowdog
February 20, 2011, 04:37 PM
Over the years, I've ordered about a dozen firearms from SOG. I've also ordered multiple (possibly 20 or more) orders for ammunition and various parts.

I've never had a problem with them. In a more recent order, I asked for handpick of a P64 and specified a manufacture date. I received a like-new P64 with the requested manufacture date.

My only beef with SOG is their tendency to describe known corrosive ammunition as "non corrosive". It's one thing to forgo mention of ammunition as being corrosive, but to state it to be non-corrosive when it's not is a bit shady.

Overall, I like SOG as I've always been dealt with fairly by them, just as I have been J&G, AIM, Impact Guns, Centerfire Systems and those of the ilk.

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