Glock 23 Gen4 - Defensive Ammo Round?


Ryan Williams
February 17, 2011, 11:26 PM
Hey All,

Next week I am picking up my new Glock 23 Gen4 and I am looking for a good personal defense round. The gun will be a carry gun plus I plan to carry it in the woods.

My question is an old one, but I am fairly new to the .40 S&W world. What do you all recommend to be the best self defense round. I'm am primarily talking bullet weight. there seems to be a wide range of options from 135gr to 180gr. What do you feel is the best and why??

Thanks for all input.

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February 17, 2011, 11:45 PM
There's like 100 threads on what type of ammo you should use, and everyone's recommendation. I would go with the lighter rounds for carry, as they will provide faster follow up shots, and reduced recoil.

I personally use Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded JHP (basically the same as LEO ammo, and it can be bought at Wal-Mart...)

February 17, 2011, 11:57 PM
Any US-made JHP from 155 to 180 grains will work fine. I wouldn't get excited about brands and models within those broad parameters unless/until your skill with that gun is excellent, and even then I wouldn't get excited much. It's all about shot placement.

February 18, 2011, 09:50 AM
I'd recommend you carry what your local LEOs carry. This is always a safe bet and usually a top tier cartridge that has been extensively tested already. Or, just find a good HP by Double Tap and call it good.

February 18, 2011, 10:58 AM
Anything 155-180, XTP (Hornady, available as a component), HST (Federal), Ranger-T, PDX (both Winchester), Gold Dot (Speer-CCI and available as a component, so lots of other companies offer loads with them), Golden Saber (Remington), or something like the Cor-Bon DPX (based on the all-copper Barnes X bullet, other companies use them too but I don't know any names), anything like that will be just great for a carry round. It's the best idea to put a couple hundred rounds of whatever you do end up caryring through your gun to make sure it likes it, but honestly nostalgia notwithstanding guns are better made from a functional standpoint today and there really aren't any service-type pistols that are outrageously finicky about ammunition. If your new Glock is going to choke on one round, it'll probably choke on a lot of rounds and need some attention.

February 18, 2011, 11:00 AM
Been carrying Speer 180 gr Gold Dots in my duty G22 for nearly a decade. I have full confidence in them.

February 18, 2011, 08:15 PM
Gold Dot or PDX1....

Ryan Williams
February 19, 2011, 09:51 AM
What about 135gr vs 155gr vs 180 gr...

I have been shooting 135 grain Winchester Ranger in my Glock 22 but I have been told by a couple guys any my local range that I should be carrying a heaver bullet for defensive purposes. I like to practice with what I will be carrying so should I be going up to a 155 or 180?

February 19, 2011, 11:54 AM
I prefer 180 grain loads because they cut down on blast & flash and tend to penetrate better. Virtually any premium JHP will do in this caliber, some of the best current examples of which are: Federal HST, Winchester PDX1 (same as Ranger Bonded), Winchester Ranger-T, and Speer Gold Dot.

February 19, 2011, 12:02 PM
The gun will be a carry gun plus I plan to carry it in the woods.
180gr Hornady XTP's, loaded hot by (1st choice) swampfoxammo or (2nd) doubletap ammo

XTP's may not be the best choice for strictly urban setting but I think they are the best compromise for the potential encounter with 4 or 2 legged threats.

February 19, 2011, 12:38 PM
Personally I prefer bullets in the 155 to 165 gr. weight for the .40. At the moment I have Federal Hi-Shoks and am happy with them and their performance. Many seem to like Speer Gold Dots (I've used those in 9mm) and the Winchester SXT loads.

February 19, 2011, 05:57 PM
plus I plan to carry it in the woods.

My understanding is that black bears are fairly common in Wisconsin, and if you ever have to defend yourself from an aggressive one with a .40 S&W (a rare event, but even rarer things have happened to me before, so...), then I think that using heavy solid or hard-cast bullets would improve your chances. Here are a couple of examples:

February 19, 2011, 06:04 PM
Remington 165 gr. Golden Saber. Good combination of velocity and bullet weight and proven to be one of the best stoppers in .40 S&W.;)

February 19, 2011, 07:10 PM
Federal HST 180 gr is what I use for a SD round. Probably any JHP from the major companies will be up to the task.


Ryan Williams
February 20, 2011, 11:59 PM
I Appreciate all the good feedback, I'll have a pick up a few boxes of different ammo in the 155-180 range and give them a go.

February 21, 2011, 12:07 AM
HST, PDX, Gold Dot. All good choices. I happen to use PDX in a M&P40c

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