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txc-360
February 20, 2011, 03:37 AM
hey im new here, have a few questions for anyone that knows california gun laws. i grew up in minnesota, currently a temp resident of wyoming and moving to sacramento for 3 months of schooling. Just wondering on recommendations of what to make comply and what to send home. i don't know where i will be working at when done with school, but just looking at the short term for now. i am 19 and moving in march. i currently have 1 mosin m91, 1 mosin m44,1 remington 870 20ga, 1 ruger 10/22, 1 wasr-10, and 1 taurus 627 .357 magnum. the m91 has a nikon prostaff, the ruger has big magazines, and the wasr-10 is as they come except a Mac90 stock which i know must be removed along with a magazine lock installed and only 10rd magazine used. the 627 i got with a permit to purchase and my father. Also wondering is it legal to have items such as the Mac90 stock and 30rd magazines?(but not install or use) ive done some reading but just keep getting confused. thanks

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Shadow 7D
February 20, 2011, 03:47 AM
Double post, don't know why, but firefox is screwy tonight

Shadow 7D
February 20, 2011, 03:48 AM
Calgun.net
they will know a lot more, sorry but, actually NOT SORRY
left the the left coast, never can return.

Actually, NO
the magazine alone will make you a felon

lizziedog1
February 20, 2011, 08:49 AM
Just curious, but will term papers and essays be part of your class assignments?

txc-360
February 20, 2011, 12:26 PM
no im going to wyotech for automotive right now in laramie and taking a light duty diesel class in sacramento

Librarian
February 20, 2011, 04:52 PM
How much time will you really have to shoot?

I know, downer question... You might like this place: http://www.sacvalley.org/

You seem to have the answers already; I'd leave the 30-rounders (and all 10+ mags) out of state. You could disassemble them and bring them in as collections of parts, so long as you do not re-assemble them in CA.

If I see the correct Mac90 stock, looks like just a big 'thumb hole'; that's exactly as regulated as a plain pistol grip. So, if you put on a magazine lock and stick to 10-round mags, it's not a California 'assault weapon' in that configuration. (Presuming it meets length requirements - I can't tell if it's 30" or not.) See also the Calguns AW ID flowchart (http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf). (.pdf)

Remember that as under-21 you'll have problems buying handgun ammunition, but that's not exclusively a CA problem.

txc-360
February 20, 2011, 06:03 PM
i shoot a fairly good amount(minnesota almost everyday, wyoming least once a week), out there i don't know how much i will. but i do prefer to have what i can with me. the wasr-10 is my firearm of choice. so disassembled 30 rds are ok? and the Mac90 stock is ok if i reach past 30 inches? i understood from what i read on other sites that i need the mag lock and 10rd mags regardless. so i was already planning on getting them. what about a fixed collapsible stock plus a pistol grip and the mag lock and 10 rds? i have a collapsible stock that the pivot and spring broke so i just stuck a bolt int there and it will no long collapse. also i read that with handguns under the age of 21 you can only have them within the state for 60days without registering them. dose that apply to me beings that i am not a permanent resident? im not worried about ammo for the 357 because i have a decent amount and would be more a home defense weapon then anything.

The Lone Haranguer
February 20, 2011, 06:38 PM
I hate to tell someone what I think they "need," but do you really need all those guns for a three-month stay? Why not just bring the revolver for self defense at home (CCW is out, but the law is very generous regarding defense of your residence) and leave the rest in storage? This assumes you aren't residing in the dormitory (if any) of the school, which may prohibit firearms on campus. Otherwise, the advice given by Librarian is spot on.

txc-360
February 20, 2011, 07:26 PM
im not going to be in student housing, they don't even offer it. i see your point, but at this point i have no idea where i will end up after school is out. my girlfriend lives in southern california. my thought process is i may be back in 3 months or it could be 10 years i have no idea. so i would rather have them with me then not see them for a long time since even once i get a job and start making money i won't have time to go home unless it was just a weekend but seems kinda pointless if the trip is just for my firearms. i don't plan on staying in california for a long time but i don't plan on returning to minnesota for a while either.

Librarian
February 21, 2011, 03:12 AM
also i read that with handguns under the age of 21 you can only have them within the state for 60days without registering them.
I have no idea where that came from - no CA law requires that, unless you actually move here for real; 'just visiting' is not included.

If you decide to stay after school, then probably you would need to file the new-resident paper for any handguns you may move here. That's for everyone, not 18, 19, 20; under-21 is not that discriminated against.

Did you look at the flow-chart I linked? Should answer your questions, but if not, come on over to Calguns; lots of help on this stuff there.

txc-360
February 21, 2011, 08:07 AM
i don't remember which site that came from. yes i have the flow chart but that also confused me. thought it would be much easier to just ask if this is ok and see what i get. thanks for your guys help, ill check out Calguns

lizziedog1
February 21, 2011, 10:12 AM
Why don't you drop your guns off with me? Nevada is right next door to California. I'll babysit your guns for free. They will be placed in a safe with other guns so they won't get lonely. I will even take them out to exercise.;)

Your guns will not be happy in California.

9mmepiphany
February 21, 2011, 06:34 PM
When you get settled in, drop me a line and I'll fill you in on the local ranges and gun stores

If you do settle in the Sacto area, a CCW is pretty easy to get right now...of course tha 627 might be a hair large for that

lizziedog1
February 21, 2011, 09:50 PM
If you do settle in the Sacto area, a CCW is pretty easy to get right now

Since when? Do you have one? Mind posting a photo of it?

9mmepiphany
February 21, 2011, 11:02 PM
Since when? Do you have one? Mind posting a photo of it?
Since the latter half of last year, I have 4 clients who have gotten theirs since Dec and personally know of 6 who have theirs already.

Why is is so hard to believe, Sacramento County is now pretty much (you still have to pass a background check) a Shall Issue county

I don't have one, I'm covered under SB218...never needed one

txc-360
February 21, 2011, 11:51 PM
ill keep my firearms thank you very much lol. thanks 9mm, that would be nice. is there ever any gunshows out there? even if im not buying anything it is something i am familiar. i know this move will be a life changing experience. no more small town usa lol. least i've been there and got a idea of what im getting into. if i do stay i won't be 21 till may of 2012 fyi

9mmepiphany
February 22, 2011, 12:31 AM
Locally our big show is at CalExpo, 2 hours to the west is the San Francisco Cow Palace show and 2 hours to the east is the Big Show in Reno.

Funny about the small town comment, Sacramento is the smallest town I've ever lived in.

txc-360
February 22, 2011, 08:24 AM
ok cool ill have to keep those in mind. i grew up in a town of 2500, my high school had 70 kids, graduated 20. private laid back high school. if you brought a gun they would just tell you to not bring it the next day. lol(private so the police couldn't do anything to anyone without the schools permission). nothing at all what you grew up with. heck homecoming we had a day where everyone would drive a tractor to school. Josh Thompson-way out here

lizziedog1
February 22, 2011, 08:30 AM
Why is is so hard to believe, Sacramento County is now pretty much (you still have to pass a background check) a Shall Issue county



Cause I lived there for over forty years. It used to be that the only way to get a CCW was to make a major contribution to the Sheriff's campaign fund. If they have become a shall issue county then great.

http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/counties/sacramento.html

Look at the above link. You still have to have a reason to get a CCW in Sacramento. That does not make it a shall issue county. Here in Nevada there are no questions about why you want a CCW. You apply, pass background, and get you card.

Madcap_Magician
February 22, 2011, 11:12 AM
Just curious, but will term papers and essays be part of your class assignments?

Ooh, harsh.

Harley Quinn
February 22, 2011, 12:08 PM
Oh yeah, student just stopping by, and getting a CCW:neener:

Regards

Librarian
February 22, 2011, 09:49 PM
Look at the above link. You still have to have a reason to get a CCW in Sacramento. That does not make it a shall issue county. It's about as 'shall issue' as California gets.

First item: see the info on Richards v Prieto (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Richards_v._Prieto); Calguns Foundation sued the Sheriffs of Sacramento (McGinness) and Yolo (Prieto) - McGinness, for assorted reasons, decided to moot the case against him and start issuing CCW for the reason "self defense" (new sheriff is continuing the policy). Prieto has decided to continue litigation.

Second item: see the Calguns information thread on Sacramento (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=352779).

Yes, it's a big change, and if you are used to even 10 years ago, it would look very surprising.

lizziedog1
February 22, 2011, 10:28 PM
Here are the steps I took to get my CCW in Nevada.

1. Signed up with a CCW instuctor. Paid him his fee and took the course.

2. Took the paperwork to our Sheriff's office. Got fingerprinted and paid their fees.

3. Got my CCW.

A bit different from California wouldn't you say. But then again, California's gun laws have made it one of the safest and most crime-free states.:)

9mmepiphany
February 22, 2011, 10:44 PM
I will admit the process isn't the classic shall issue. But as already has been said, in a May Issue state, this is as close as you're going to get...in other words, while still within the existing state laws, this is as easy as it gets.

My students have described it to me as:
1. Fill out app - reason: self defense...Finger print and background check
2. Get approved
3. Take CCW course and turn in paperwork
4. Receive CCW

ArmedLiberal
February 23, 2011, 03:12 AM
Cause I lived there for over forty years. It used to be that the only way to get a CCW was to make a major contribution to the Sheriff's campaign fund. If they have become a shall issue county then great.

http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/counties/sacramento.html

Look at the above link. You still have to have a reason to get a CCW in Sacramento. That does not make it a shall issue county. Here in Nevada there are no questions about why you want a CCW. You apply, pass background, and get you card.
The changes to CCWs in Sacramento over the last year are mind blowing Lizziedog1. Hundreds of permits issued with hundreds more in the pipeline. I never would have believed it a year ago. Permits are all being issued for "Self Defense" as Good Cause.

The Billy Jack link you have posted may not be completely up to date.

CalGuns is an awesome force for the restoration of 2nd Amendment Rights in California hand in hand with the CRPA and the NRA. Check out the statewide CCW Initiative. They're doing it, county by county, with the toughest nuts saved for last.

http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/resources/ccw-initiative

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Litigation_Past_and_Present

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Litigation_Past_and_Present

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=179

armsmaster270
February 23, 2011, 04:29 AM
I've lived in Sacramento all my life except 4 years military 18 years on Sac P.D. Now is the best climate for a Sacramento County CCW. Before now you had to know the Sheriff ( contribute to campaign) The new Sheriff admits they can't be there all the time and has made it a lot friendlier to get a CCW. However I don't know about an out of state student.

lizziedog1
February 23, 2011, 08:05 AM
I am glad they have changed things there. That is one of the funny things I always thought about this subject. Where I live, getting a CCW is not much more difficult then getting a perscription filled. Yet, to be honest, I live in an area where a "real" need to be armed is questionable. Folks that live in areas that really should be armed for their safety couldn't get a CCW. I guess common sense is finally prevailing there.

Of course, the handgun you chose as your CCW carry in California has to be on their approved list. We don't have any such lists.:D

9mmepiphany
February 23, 2011, 10:25 AM
Of course, the handgun you chose as your CCW carry in California has to be on their approved list.
Actually that isn't true either, but I suspect, from the form of your sentence, that you knew that...just didn't want to leave folks who didn't really know with the wrong impression

txc-360
March 17, 2011, 08:36 PM
hey anyone know if i could take that wasr-10 in the state, taken apart? had some problems with midwayUSA and i wont be able to get everything until im out there

rromeo
March 17, 2011, 11:49 PM
I'm not too familiar with AK rifles. How do they strip?
If you remove any evil features: flash hider, pistol grip, folding or collapsible stock, forward grip, you should be good to go.
With an AR rifle, if you split the upper from the lower receiver that's okay too.

thorn726
March 18, 2011, 03:45 PM
considering all the "kommiefornia" nonsense i endure, my turn>> Sac? UGGG!!! move!

long guns are no big deal, but you are probably not able to import the big mags. I should know this better for all the reading ive done- we use my buddy's pre ban 13s all the time, and no one is ever going to ask you about them BUT i am fairly sure you can not import them legally. You are allowed to keep what you had here pre ban but no more (not 100% on this but 90% sure)

I would look into the pre ban ownership because it is remotely possible even the rifle is OK, and given that it does not need to be registered, who's asking anyway? As long as you are not caught buying or selling a pre ban weapon, you ARE allowed to have and use it here

9mmepiphany
March 18, 2011, 03:52 PM
long guns are no big deal, but you are probably not able to import the big mags. I should know this better for all the reading ive done- we use my buddy's pre ban 13s all the time, and no one is ever going to ask you about them BUT i am fairly sure you can not import them legally. You are allowed to keep what you had here pre ban but no more (not 100% on this but 90% sure)

I would look into the pre ban ownership because it is remotely possible even the rifle is OK, and given that it does not need to be registered, who's asking anyway? As long as you are not caught buying or selling a pre ban weapon, you ARE allowed to have and use it here

Don't guess, be sure...read the flowchart attached below from post #6
See also the Calguns AW ID flowchart (http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf). (.pdf)

thorn726
March 19, 2011, 03:39 PM
cmon man, guess ? i put this in there for a reason>>>

I would look into the pre ban ownership and gave as much as i knew for a fact. ANYONE who takes info here at face value without double checking is not being very smart

son of a Mother looking over that flowchart is not fun/ and right, i neglected the important fact that he pre ban weapons had to have been registered pre ban. NOTICE anything that was reg'd pre ban is OK anything not reg'd pre ban, well depends if "the law" knows you have it, they might come take it and importing any sort of banned weapon is obviously going to be a problem


I feel extremely lucky to have made a very good friend who was here owning all this stuff (registered) long before i even got here.

Librarian
March 19, 2011, 04:27 PM
and gave as much as i knew for a fact. ANYONE who takes info here at face value without double checking is not being very smart

And since you intend to be helpful - knowing, as you do, the completely nonsensical complexity of California laws - perhaps researching the answer before posting might be a useful habit.

To supplement the flowchart, please also see http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/History_of_%27Assault_Weapon%27_laws

9mmepiphany
March 19, 2011, 04:45 PM
Also, bear in mind that being in possession of a non-registered AWB named rifle or one which does not conform to the current law is a felony...you could lose your rights to own any firearm in any state

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