IWB Middle of Back


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smalls
February 20, 2011, 09:08 PM
Anyone carry like this? Any comfort problems? OWB os pretty much out of the question for me, as I wear shirts that aren't super long, and I don't see myself wearing a vest or something, and my pants are usually "regular fit", so not baggy, but not skin tight. I feel like IWB anywhere else would be uncomfortable, besides maybe 1 o'clock, but then painful when I sit.
The firearm I plan on CC'ing is the S&W SW9VE if that helps.

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Big Boy
February 20, 2011, 09:15 PM
I carry IWB at 4 o'clock with no issues at all. Even sitting. Check out http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/ the Super tuck is VERY comfortable.

Frozen North
February 20, 2011, 09:17 PM
Small of back is in my opinion the most uncomfortable IWB position of all. It does nothing but dig.

Try 3 or 4 o'clock, I think you will be very surprised at how comfortable it can be with the right holster.

Telekinesis
February 20, 2011, 09:22 PM
If it's behind your back, try to keep it away from your spine. I imagine some back problems could be in your future if you ever fall on your back with the gun over your spine...

I second Big Boy's recommendation of 4 o'clock with the Super tuck. I'm actually wearing one right now and it completely conceals my Sig under an untucked button down shirt. (It also allows you to tuck your shirt if you want.) It is very comfortable.

smalls
February 20, 2011, 09:39 PM
4 o'clock seems like it would be a good option. I found a nylon holster for like $17 on Amazon. Obviously not best quality, but it has the ability to move the clip to either side, so I may order it just to find a position that I like, then find a nicer holster

9mmepiphany
February 20, 2011, 09:44 PM
Drawing from the Middle Of Back carry position is slow and requires a pronounced forward bent position. The MOB is extremely dangerous if engaged in any kind of physical altercation, as landing on it would impact your back. The MOB carry is extremely uncomfortable if you intend to sit with your back against any surface.

There is one use for which the MOB carry position is idea...a standing security position when wearing a fitted tux/suit...other than that, I think it a poor choice at best.

I usually carry larger guns (1911/Sig 220/Beretta 92) at 4 o'clock and smaller guns (Kahr P9/Springfield EMP) at 1 o'clock

smalls
February 20, 2011, 09:51 PM
I can see why MOB would be uncomfortable, now. 4 o'clock sounds like it would conceal well and be a lot more comfortable

Comedian
February 21, 2011, 01:58 PM
Wouldn't recommend small of the back carry. I tried a couple of SOB holsters back when I first bought a handgun and it really doesn't offer any advantages. It prints really bad if bend over, access is slow at the best of times and it's an absolutely horrible position for retention. 1 o'clock (or appendix carry) is a pretty solid choice if you have the physique to make it work. It's fast, is more accessible when sitting (especially in a car with a seat belt on) than hip carry, and if you're skinny it also conceals better than hip carry. However, if you have a spare tire or pants that are too small, it will punish you. Several reputable holster makers provide holsters specifically for this kind of carry, including Raven Concealment, Blade Tech, and Dale Fricke. I personally wear a Raven Concealment ACR and I find it way more comfortable than hip carry.

Olympus
February 21, 2011, 02:02 PM
I also tried small of the back IWB holsters. Not only was it uncomfortable sitting down, it wanted to pull the back of my pants down. I would have to cinch my belt up extremely tight just to keep the back of my pants from sagging down.

LNK
February 21, 2011, 02:18 PM
I have tried SOB holsters as well as IWB at 4 and 3. Nothing seemed to work for me. Switched to front (Appendix) carry and have no trouble with either 1911 or M&P. Can even carry 4" GP-100. Though that is slower to draw. I am 6' and 210 though. If I am just standing without bending at the waist, I could do the 4 o'clock position. I am in and out of a vehicle all day, so that is not an option. Good luck.

LNK

DFW1911
February 21, 2011, 02:41 PM
Small of back is in my opinion the most uncomfortable IWB position of all.

I couldn't agree more. I tried various positions and just couldn't get it to work for me. Also, consider driving with a firearm pressed into your back. Besides the obvious discomfort, how about access?

Some good recommendations so far on possible alternatives. I carry at 4 o'clock frequently.

Just my $.02!

Take care,
DFW1911

Busta Prima
February 21, 2011, 02:42 PM
Doesn't 4 o'clock print pretty bad when bending over? It does with me.

Sam1911
February 21, 2011, 02:49 PM
Doesn't 4 o'clock print pretty bad when bending over? It does with me.

Not 1/10th as bad as SOB does.

The strong-side hip carry position (3-5 o'clock) is the best compromise of comfort, speed, and concealment for most people, but it doesn't eliminate printing.

The good thing is, most printing is much worse in your head than in real life. Most folks seem completely incapable of even noticing the "bump", let alone associating it with a gun on your belt.

Sam1911
February 21, 2011, 02:55 PM
I feel like IWB anywhere else would be uncomfortable, besides maybe 1 o'clock, but then painful when I sit.In all honesty, you really need to get some experience carrying a sidearm and then you'll be in a better position to understand the compromises of each position.

Until you've tried SOB, it may be difficult to understand how significant the drawbacks will be. (But, hopefully we can give you enough warning to keep you from sinking a lot of money into trying it out.)

Unless you've gone about your daily business with your weapon in an IWB in the usual location, it may be hard to visualize how that method makes the most of the possibilities. How your gun fits with your clothes and with your body type, shape, and composition makes all the difference, and that's not something you'll be able to assess just from reading.

kk0g
February 21, 2011, 03:24 PM
Get a Kholster or Crossbreed Supertuck IWB. I carry a full size XDM 9 in a Kholster at 4:00 all day everyday and it is by far the most comfortable and easy to conceal holster I've ever used.

Busta Prima
February 21, 2011, 03:29 PM
Don't forget the belt. Most feel it's even more important than the holster. You need a stiff belt that is made with ccw in mind. Just picking a thick one from a regular store probably won't be enough.

9mmepiphany
February 21, 2011, 03:57 PM
Doesn't 4 o'clock print pretty bad when bending over? It does with me.
Learn not to bend over at the waist and , while you're at it, learn to reach above your head with the other arm

possum
February 22, 2011, 09:23 AM
with MOB holsters you have to be careful, if you are knocked to the ground, and land the right or "wrong" way depending on how you are looking at it, you can really mess up your back. Which will not only put you in a bad way for the fight that you are currently in, and it could also cause permanent damage. Even if you do not get hurt in the fall, and the fight goes to the ground, if you are on your back it is going to be very very hard to access your gun. just some things to think about.

armabill
February 22, 2011, 10:34 AM
I carry in the mornings and evenings as well as the afternoons.:D

The Lone Haranguer
February 22, 2011, 07:21 PM
If you want to carry MOB (which I don't recommend, but I think Galco makes holsters for this kind of carry), you need a left-handed holster, so the butt points to your strong side. (This is for a right-handed shooter.)

9mmepiphany
February 22, 2011, 08:26 PM
TLH - I'm confused, do you have a picture to show what you mean?

Boothdt
February 22, 2011, 08:44 PM
TLH - I'm confused, do you have a picture to show what you mean?
I think he means just using a left handed IWB holster, for a right handed shooter, and carrying it at 6:00 or so so that you don't have to twist your hand so radically to grip the gun. In this manner, your hand will go in between the gun and your back when you grip it.

armoredman
February 22, 2011, 09:00 PM
I used this rig for the "Let me just get my wallet for you" approach...yes, that is weak hand/left hand draw for me, a BUG placement.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/newangle2.jpg

Conceals very well under a vest, no issues at all. That's the Hazel Cross Draw rig. He is on sabbatical for a while though...

Sam1911
February 22, 2011, 09:29 PM
That's a great pic! I think it should help people visualize several of the more serious drawbacks to SOB type carry. E.g: potentially very dangerous muzzle position on the draw, (especially with the inverted butt style like this), uncomfortable/dangerous position of the bulk of the metal gun against the kidneys and/or spine, and so forth.

If only there was a corresponding set showing a view of the wearer from the rear, sitting, squatting, bending, to illustrate the tendency to print or even have the cover garment ride over the gun butt.

zoom6zoom
February 22, 2011, 09:59 PM
^ Also, think how little leverage your arm has in that position if someone grabs your wrist or forearm. Very bad for retention.

Iggy
February 22, 2011, 10:04 PM
Whut zoom sed. Try and defend your gun starting with your arm virtually in a hammer lock.

AlexM
February 23, 2011, 03:09 PM
I too don't agree with a SOB carry. If you're a slimmer person who wears non baggy clothing I would actually recommend that you look into an inner ankle rig worn on the non firing side. Makes it easy for a cross grab, you can get to it even while seated, and it takes just as long to get used to as carrying anywhere else but once you are used to it you won't feel it at all. Biggest thing there is to make sure your holster has a really good retention device, and that whatever pants you wear can be pulled over the pistol with no problem of getting snagged on the pistol.

JTQ
February 23, 2011, 04:06 PM
armoredman, I've seen you post that picture many times in the past and thought the idea was a pretty good one. However, in the context of this thread it makes me wonder if the position of that holster would actually be an easier draw for an opponent that is face-to-face with you.

Since we in the US typically walk to the right side with opposite direction traffic passing on the left, doesn't that holster and the position it is carried, make it easier for a "grab". Your left side is less protected and the cant is designed to draw the holster forward towards an oncoming opponent?

I'm just asking, since I haven't thought that carry style through very much.

smalls
February 24, 2011, 10:02 AM
Ankle carry is also out. My pants aren't toght, but tight enough to not allow me to get a gun out. Also I don't like th idea of having to bend down to grab my sidearm.
I appreciate all the replies, you've all opened up my eyes to this. I'm gonna try 4 o'clock IWB carry

armoredman
February 24, 2011, 10:22 AM
Amazingly enough it worked quite well, but as I stated, that's a BUG position. It is meant to look non threatening while actually drawing under cover - the vest is thrown back for photo purposes. Sorry you don't like it. :) It wasn't over my spine, and rarely caused issues. Not my first choice of placement for a BUG, but I didn't have a pocket holster then. I can hide a very large sidearm that way, and no, JTQ, nobody can see it to try to draw it from me, like the famous reason to never wear a cross draw rig - which that actually is. The vest that is out of the way so the camera can see the rig does a great job concealing the whole thing, and it is NOT a place most people "scan" to "see" a sidearm.

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