An accurate .22 cal. 6" Revolver?


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sjcslk
February 20, 2011, 10:15 PM
Thinking of picking up a .22 cal. 6" Revolver for plinking, etc. All things considered, accuracy & quality would be my #1 priority. I've always wanted a K 22, but I don't know if that's considered one of the best or if S&W still makes them. My brother-in-law has a Ruger single action that he says he's a much better shot with than his K 22. Just looking for opinions. Thanks,

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dalv
February 20, 2011, 10:44 PM
look for a used Dan Wesson - I just picked one up for $300 and it shoots great. Has interchangeable barrels available and cylinder gap adjustment to fine tune.
DW's won numerous matches and are known for accuracy.
CZ has taken over the name but new are $1000. If you look around you are bound to find one - or check the internet brokers.
Good Luck

SPW1
February 20, 2011, 11:05 PM
If you always wanted a K22 go with that, though it will not be cheap. Dan wessons are nice if you get a good one, but the prices don't tend to be anywhere near as cheap as they were just a few years ago making them not quite the good value they once were. Expect a price of between 400-500 for the 22 models which are less common than the 357's. Rugers single six is a nice gun quality wise but not particularly known for accuracy due to a bore on the large side for 22lr so it can shoot 22 mag. as well.

clang
February 20, 2011, 11:10 PM
K22 not accurate? I've got 2 Model 17s, 2 Model 18s and a 617 and they are all very accurate. The 6" guns are right up there with guided missiles.

rainbowbob
February 20, 2011, 11:16 PM
I own a anumber of S&W revolvers. The M 17-3 is a new favorite. Beautiful looks and feel and accurate as I can point it.

rikman
February 20, 2011, 11:54 PM
K22 is nice, on my list....I love my S&W 617 and accurate it is.

PzGren
February 21, 2011, 12:15 AM
I like revolvers, and particularly rimfire revolvers! But I do not enjoy reloading or shooting single action revolvers.

A S&W K22/M17 is as accurate as it can get and will not break the bank. I am partial to the older models.

If you want to upgrade from a K-22, it is getting much more expensive for a little more performance. You will need a revolver that uses roller bearings for the trigger mechansim, such as the MR-73 or Korth.

CajunBass
February 21, 2011, 06:12 AM
As much as I like my Single-Six's, they're not in the same class as my Smith & Wesson Model 17-3. If that's what you've wanted, get one. They're not getting any cheaper.

Now the Dan Wesson 22 I've got can hang right there with the 17-3 as far as shooting. The finish isn't quite as nice as the 17, and it's a bigger, heavier gun. The Smith & Wesson also has target sights that I like a little better than the red insert/ramp sights on the Dan Wesson. I give the edge to the Model 17, but not by much.

I've considered selling the DW as I consolidate my rather motley collection of Smith & Wesson's, but as my wife keeps reminding me..."they don't make them anymore."

Carl Levitian
February 21, 2011, 07:05 AM
You need to get the K22.

I wanted one for a long time, but was put off a bit by the high price. I asked myself, was it really worth all that?

I finally did bite, and now I regret waiting so long.

YES, it is worth the money. It's THE nicest revolver I've ever owned, is super accurrite, and is such a pleasure to shoot it's now my favorite gun to shoot. I should have bought one years ago!!!

Carl.

oldfool
February 21, 2011, 07:29 AM
the old Dan Wessons were very good indeed, as were the old Colts
neither is all that easily found, nor cheap

your best bet is the S&W k-22, k-17, k-18, 6" barrels preferred, cost in the $500-$600 range (and up for the oldest models in really great condition re: "collector status" pricing)

in currently manufactured models, that translates into the S&W 617
the newly manufactured S&W so called "classic" line, I dunno, never shot one
but suspect they are not quite up to the performance quality of k-17s, for example

in SA only revolvers, there are the very excellent Freedom Arms models, pretty stiff pricing

if you own your own island nation, money unlimited, there is always Korth, of course

$500-$600 is pretty much the name of the game for a high quality 22 rimfire revolver, patience req'd to hunt up a good older model
if not that patient, try to find a S&W 617 somebody will let you try before you buy

PS
for me, k-17 rimfires and k-48 WMR woobies
lots to love about 'em
(the Rugers are good fun guns, but just not in the same class as the old Dan Wessons, old Colts, FAs, and S&W Ks)

Ala Dan
February 21, 2011, 08:04 AM
An old S&W K-17 has always been on my "want list"; but thus far has evaded me. :(

hardluk1
February 21, 2011, 09:52 AM
If you can find the DW that is a great shooter . CZ still has some accesores and parts and works on them. You can get custon sight inserts thu the Dan Wesson forum site. There are also that make custom grips that can be accessed there. One guy is makeing barrels and shrouds but think its limited to 357 for now but maybe he mod up a flat side shroud for someone. For that 400 + dollars I would still look at a DW first.

Iggy
February 21, 2011, 09:57 AM
Do we see some sort of a pattern evolving here?

Another vote for the K-22.

dickttx
February 21, 2011, 10:07 AM
My first .22 handgun was a used 617-4 I bought a few months ago at a horrible price. Added a 10 shot speedloader and 100 round blocks. Talk about nice! Don't even think about the price anymore.

Colt Smith
February 21, 2011, 10:16 AM
Just in case no one has mentioned it yet.......S&W K-22. :neener:

steven58
February 21, 2011, 10:39 AM
my S&W 6" mod. 17 is superb!

I picked up an early 80s vintage gun that was sold as "used" but was actually NIB with the original 1983 sales receipt included (sold for $300 ish back then).

In single action it is as accurate as my S&W mod. 41 7" target pistol".

You won't go wrong with this revolver!

PS My Ruger Super Single Six is nice but not even in the same zip code accuracy wise. The combination of the .22 Mag compatible bbl and the long lock time keep this in "plinker" territory.

CraigC
February 21, 2011, 11:58 AM
Lots of talk about what is and isn't accurate but so far no clear definition of what anyone, including the OP, considers "accurate".

I would consider any .22 revolver as "accurate" that prints into 1.5" or less at 25yds with preferred loads. Both my .22 Single Sixes and both my K-22's are that accurate.

sixgunner455
February 21, 2011, 01:10 PM
Get the K22! A K22 or 617 will shoot better than most people are capable of.

Of course, the same is true of the Ruger Single Six ... :D And the Ruger's usually cost less. But if you can afford the K22, and that's what you've been wanting, then there's no reason to compromise. They still make them (617), so it's not like they're impossible to find, new or used.

TonyT
February 21, 2011, 01:29 PM
Find an old S&W K-22 or Colt Officers Model in 22LR. Both are highly accurate and can be obtained for less than the price of a new gun if you concerate on guns in less than pristine conditiion.

zoom6zoom
February 21, 2011, 01:49 PM
I've considered selling the DW as I consolidate my rather motley collection of Smith & Wesson's, but as my wife keeps reminding me..."they don't make them anymore."
If the day does come, CB, shoot me a PM. My DW 15-2 needs a little brother. And I'm in the neighborhood.

steven58
February 21, 2011, 02:49 PM
Craig,

To quantify accuracy: From a rest, single action, with Federal Champion 40 gr. HV solids, my 17 will put 6 shots into a 1/2" group at 25 yds. That's with my "flyers" counted.

Off hand at 50 yds. we hang 20 oz. plastic soda bottles by the neck with a strip of duct tape. I aim for the brightly colored caps and hit about half the time.

The ammo used is what I happen to have bought in bulk (5,000 rounds) for general purpose use in all of my .22s. In the hands of someone who can actually shoot, with ammo selected for it this revolver is capable of doing much better.

My 4 5/5" stainless Super Single Six will do 6 shots into 1.5-2" at 25 yds. under similar circumstances.

So, for my personal pigeonholing, I consider the Single Six to be plinker grade accurate and the 17 to be target grade accurate.

YMMV.

BlindJustice
February 21, 2011, 02:58 PM
I've got the S&W 617 6" Bbl 10 shot cylinder w?Hogue grips in
Coco Bolo wood. More than one person has called it a beauty at the range. It's accurate as well. My first handgun in the '60s was a
S&W MOdel 18 K-22 COmbat Masterpiece.Served me well on the farm in
my teens for keeping the cottontail population culled, rattlesnakes etc.

No the K-22s aren't cheap but compared to the lesser priced handguns
of my buddies back in the day none of those have kept/increaed in value on
the used market today.

Randall

CraigC
February 21, 2011, 03:36 PM
Steve, I would say that your K-22 is exemplary and certainly not typical. Yours shoots as accurately as a fixed-barrel auto and that is all but unheard of with any revolver that is not a linebored custom or Freedom Arms. Mine certainly do not do that well.

Leadhead
February 21, 2011, 04:32 PM
Yes I'd agree, 1/2 inch groups at 25 yards with cheap bulk ammo is exceptional!

robctwo
February 21, 2011, 06:25 PM
The neighbor and I were at the range today. Clay birds on the hill at 35 yards.

I was shooting my 4" 617 and 18-3, he was shooting his brand new 6" 617. We were breaking birds with regularity. Not every shot. Also cleaning up the small pieces.

My Ruger Single Six sits home most of the time. Not as accurate and a pain to eject those empties.

I don't have the 17 yet.

sjcslk
February 21, 2011, 08:23 PM
It looks like on the Smith & Wesson website, they still make a model 17 masterpiece. Is this the same quality gun as before? Thanks,

22-rimfire
February 21, 2011, 09:05 PM
If you are starting from scratch these days, I would buy a M-17 (6" usually) or M-18 (4") slightly or lovingly used. I do like the 4" M-617, but I don't own one. I'm pretty stuck on the M-17, M-18 these days. I love the Colt Diamonback and Officers Model Match, but if I were buying today, without a doubt I would buy a S&W first. Accuracy is very good. But I can't shoot 1/2" groups at 25 yds with a 22 revolver. If I really try, I can come pretty close at 15 yds, but not 25. I believe it has to be better eye sight that really makes the difference. The better you can see, the better you can shoot handguns if you try.

welldoya
February 21, 2011, 09:59 PM
"As much as I like my Single-Six's, they're not in the same class as my Smith & Wesson Model 17-3. If that's what you've wanted, get one. They're not getting any cheaper."

I agree with this statement. If you have always wanted a K-22 then buy one. If you settle for something else to save a couple hundred dollars, you are still going to want a K-22 and won't be happy until you get one.
I went thru the same thing, although it was back in 1975. I was in college and money was tight. I had wanted a K-22 because my whole life I had been drooling over my uncle's gun.
I bought a High Standard "The Marshall" because I wanted a .22 revolver and it was $60. I still wanted a K-22 though and they were $145. Ended up selling the High Standard and finally found a store that had a Model 17. I bought it and never regretted it.
In 10 years you will be telling your admiring friends "I only paid $600 for this back in 2011" and they will be astounded.
One other accurate .22 revolver that nobody has mentioned is a Colt Trooper MKIII.
I've got one in 6" that I bought in the early 90s but it was quite a bit more than the Model 17 - $160.

jad0110
February 22, 2011, 07:06 AM
In 10 years you will be telling your admiring friends "I only paid $600 for this back in 2011" and they will be astounded.

Yup, kinda like how I paid "only" $430 for this K-22 Model 17-0 (1959) in 2006 :p ...


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20K22%20Model%2017%2022%20LR/K22_12-1.jpg

CajunBass
February 22, 2011, 07:41 AM
Lots of talk about what is and isn't accurate but so far no clear definition of what anyone, including the OP, considers "accurate".

Actually he did. He said he's always wanted a K-22. That sets a standard. He wants something at least that accurate. He mentioned a Ruger Single-Six as a comparison. In my opinion, the K-22 is more "accurate" than a Single-Six. You might find an exception to that here and there, but I suspect most people would agree with me.

So he's looking for something in the K-22 class.

CraigC
February 22, 2011, 11:55 AM
So he's looking for something in the K-22 class.
Which is defined how exactly?

He also said this:
I don't know if that's considered one of the best...
...indicating that he doesn't know how the "K-22 class" is defined either. Which is why I asked.


What's wrong with having a quantified accuracy expectation? Is it because most folks saying theirs is "accurate" don't know and I've now put them on the spot?

highlander 5
February 22, 2011, 12:27 PM
I have a 617 6 shot pre lock and if I do my part empty shotgun shells at 25 yds are not a problem.

GCBurner
February 22, 2011, 12:37 PM
Personally, I've wanted a Colt Diamondback in .22 for a long time. I like the looks of it as a mini-Python. They weren't cheap when they were new, and the prices are out of reach now, if you can find one.
I've got a High Standard Sentinel Deluxe with a 6" barrel, and it shoots as accurately as I can aim, at pistol range distances.

crestoncowboy
February 22, 2011, 01:38 PM
I agree that the single six is a good plinking gun but not a target gun. mine doesnt shoot 22lr well at all but it shoots mags good enough. I have a friends stainless hunter single six in my safe and it is the same way. You might get lucky and find a really tight one but I wouldnt compare it to a smith or colt, more like an h&r or RG. Remember that most guns can shoot better than the person shooting them anyway.

welldoya
February 22, 2011, 10:43 PM
"Personally, I've wanted a Colt Diamondback in .22 for a long time. I like the looks of it as a mini-Python. They weren't cheap when they were new, and the prices are out of reach now, if you can find one. "

I remember exactly how much they were in 1975 - $145. I remember because it was next to the S&W 17 in the display case and they were the same price. I had always wanted a K-22 so that's what I went with.

PzGren
February 23, 2011, 12:04 AM
The OMM can probably be considered the finest made Colt rimfire revolver and this one is still living proof that Colts are well made and accurate but I wish, I could find a new hand. This revolver has been shot in excess of 50,000 rounds and timing is running late, it transports and locks the last bit on the trigger pull.

Should the same happen to my S&W K-22 the remedy would be only a phone call away and S&W would send me a new hand in the mail - under their exemplary warranty.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/DSCF4264.jpg

oldfool
February 23, 2011, 07:39 AM
Steve, I would say that your K-22 is exemplary and certainly not typical. Yours shoots as accurately as a fixed-barrel auto and that is all but unheard of with any revolver that is not a linebored custom or Freedom Arms. Mine certainly do not do that well.
your comments are well made, Craig, but I guess I am going to have to pick up the challenge
don't own my own island nation, nor any Korths etc, so my notions about what an accurate revolver is are a bit limited by the wherewithal factor you know

my 10" bull barrel Ruger MkII will do what Steve defines as accuracy, rested on sandbag with 2X pistol scope (a fixed barrel auto as you said, and maybe just luck of the draw, as it certainly didn't cost what a competition gun like a S&W 41 or classic hi-std or EU pistola costs)

"in my mind" only, my pair of k-17s will do same, but cannot say tis truly true
I don't much like scopes on revolvers, but do have a couple of k-frame mounts in the old kit bag somewhere, did put one on a k-66 once "just to see"... don't remember the results well enough to state in honestly quantifiable terms, other than being well pleased
(then I took the scope off)

this thread being inspirational, I think need to park a scope on those k-17s and see what happens, just don't have the hands & eyes to prove anything offhand

accuracy definition, mighty subjective for most, that's true
I guess mine would be one MOA and/or one-ragged hole, for at least 5 shot groups

but.. not really fair to compare, I think, handguns to rifles at 100 yards
reasonable "flat shooting range" for the cartridge ought be allowable part of definition
so.. I call 50-60 yards for a 22LR rimfire rifle fair range for accuracy test with low/no wind (<1/2" all shots inside the circle = "one MOA" for me, and one ragged hole is just one-ragged-hole, no calipers req'd, close enuff to label it 1/4")

what say you fellows ?
what would you consider fair range for accuracy test of a 22 rimfire handgun ?
(is 25 yards pretty much it)
any folks here ever put a scope on a k-22/17/18 ??

PzGren
February 23, 2011, 08:57 AM
this thread being inspirational, I think need to park a scope on those k-17s and see what happens, just don't have the hands & eyes to prove anything offhand

accuracy definition, mighty subjective for most, that's true
I guess mine would be one MOA and/or one-ragged hole, for at least 5 shot groups

There is accuracy and shootability. I used to compete in olympic style pistol events back in the 1980s. Sights, triiger, and orthopedic grips made me quickly change my weapons for pure sports equipment.

The most boring one I owned was a Walther GSP, in a case with accessories that covered all situations.

When you shoot from a rest you eliminate the advantage of a superb trigger; the very reason why I love my Korth - but the S&W K-22 can be fine tuned and has great sights and plenty of aftermarket accessories, like fitting grips, to make the difference really small.

To me, accuracy is what a gun can do offhand, in my hands and I compare the results to other guns that I shot in over three decades. I have to admit that this is no scientific definition but shooting competitions isn't a science, either.

BlindJustice
February 23, 2011, 01:34 PM
The Model 18 I bought ( well, Dad bought Iwas 14 ) in '65 was $78. I had a belt holster and wore it on the farm. Sometimes on the tractor a horned toad would scare up and scamper some 10 yards away and freez. I'd
stop the tractor and take careful aim - if I did my part - usually a head shot

I had started witha a fixed sight Hi-Standard Dura-matic semi-auto loaned from and uncle. I had gotten pretty good with that fixed sight model but
the adjustable sights and better front sight on the Mode 18 helped a lot.besides having a better SA trigger.

As far as my 617 goes... it was $629 about 4 years ago. and it has the
best out of the box DA/SA of any of my smiths - I susprect it is because it's
the only K frame I have - the L and N frames have a longer trigger pull. THe 625 might be smoother but it's had the S&W Master Revolver Action job.

Randall

BlindJustice
February 23, 2011, 01:55 PM
FWIW - S&W re-issued the Model 63 withan 8 shot cyl. aka the Kit gun a
couple of years ago. first year was 5" Bbl. only now it's being offered
with a 3" Bbl. I'd like the 3" Bbl. model 63 to pair with a 60 .357 Mag 3: Bbl.
I have. For the Grandkids of course!

R-

BYJO4
February 23, 2011, 07:31 PM
The K22, model 17, and the 617 all have excellent reputations and if properly cared for, hold their value very well. Accuracy is very good and in most cases, exceeds the actual ability of the shooter. You cannot go wrong with any of these models.

22-rimfire
February 23, 2011, 08:38 PM
The Smith Model 63 a real nice 22 revolver. I have a 5" and would like to get a 3" also. That should tell you something. It is a 8-shot steel framed gun. It is a nice revolver to tote in the woods since it is a bit smaller than the Model 17/617. Honestly, I think you will be happy with either of these. I would look at a Model 63 in a gunshop. The grips are small and you might not like them. There are slightly larger grips available that are better for me, but as of yet, I have not put new grips on the gun.

I think every revolver owner should own a Smith Model 17 or 617. I really prefer the 4" Model 617 overall as it balances better than the 6" version for me. But that is based on handling them in a store. I already have a M-17, M-18; Colt Officers Model's, Diamondbacks, and Troopers (both original and the Trooper Mark III) in 22LR. These are all great 22 revolvers.

But as I said earlier, I would buy a M-17 today and look at the others as my interest grows (if it grows). You can't really go wrong buying a M-17 if you like a 6" barrel or a Model 18 if you prefer 4". These are all six-shooters, and the new 617 holds more.

Peter M. Eick
February 27, 2011, 10:38 AM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/722_target.jpg

50 shots, offhand 15 yrds.

DW 722's are great guns. Inexpensive, solidly made, accurate and easy to shoot well.

griz1
February 27, 2011, 04:14 PM
another vote k-22. I have several 22's including the Ruger Single-Six but the K-22 is the most accurate and has the best trigger. I will never sell this gun.

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