At the time I voted (12:45pm EST) the the poll results were:
out of 1412 total votes. 48% for, 48% against, 2% leaning for, 2% leaning against.
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February 22, 2011, 02:52 PM
keep up the good work guys, (n gals) just a little more to push this our way, n when I checked in to check on it today it let me vote again....
February 22, 2011, 03:27 PM
February 24, 2011, 04:40 PM
February 26, 2011, 02:15 PM
Hey, we might win this one!
February 27, 2011, 10:50 PM
I was on the University of Texas campus in the summer of 1966 when Charles Whitman went on his rampage shooting people from the Tower. It's useful to remember that Officer Martinez was able to bring Whitman down only with help from an armed volunteer civilian. In fact, I've never seen so many guns come out of the woodwork so quickly! Undoubtedly lives were saved because of so many civilians firing up at the Tower and keeping Whitman pinned down until the police finally arrived.
If incidents like this are going to take place (and they will), it makes sense to have countervailing firepower available from those who can carry legally.
February 27, 2011, 11:29 PM
Completely off topic, and I agree with the point you're making, but Martinez isn't the one who killed Whitman. There were also two other cops up there.
February 27, 2011, 11:39 PM
IMO, this is a catch 22 situation. I'm both for and against it and can't support it one way or the other.
I'm for campus carry because the perceived threat of deadly force is plenty to deter all but the most determined criminals.
However, I don't support it for two reasons: I've had a gun put to the back of my head before and know that unless you are proactive in self defense, the gun is really useless to you. In that instance I was working for an alcoholic boss and never expected that anything like that would happen, I've learned better since that. I also used to work at a Wal-Mart near Purdue and frequent a range near there for quite a while and all too often saw people buy a gun for self defense that never took the time to learn what it was they needed or how to use one properly. I too often heard the questions; I'm buying this for SD, will it work OK (in reference to a hunting rifle) or I bought this for SD, but don't know how it works (in reference to any gun it was at the time). It got even worse at Wal-Mart because customers would complain about not being able to buy pepper spray or tasers at that store. I'd try to educate them on why they needed to do some shooting and reading before buying, but I never got far.
Using Purdue as an example for On-Campus violent crimes, since I go here, (http://www.purdue.edu/police/assistance/clery.htm): Rape's average about 2 a yr, Sexual Battery's average about 3 a yr, Robbery's & Aggravated Assault's average 1 a yr, Burglary's average about 55 a yr, Arson's average 1 a yr, and Car theft's average about 4 a yr. Not too violent, but it's quite common to read in the Exponent the next morning about last nights strong armed robbery on the bus.
In general, the campus itself is pretty quiet. However, there are some very dark places around there at night that I wouldn't want to even be caught dead in. Combine that with multiple bars right across the street from the campus and all of the sudden you have a very dangerous mix. Drunk people with guns is always a bad combination.
State's shouldn't tell the schools what to do, unless its a state school like Purdue. The schools themselves need to make the decision as to whether or not to allow campus carry.
February 28, 2011, 01:01 AM
51%yes 44% no
February 28, 2011, 01:02 AM
Drunk people with guns is always a bad combination.
Permit holders are statistically the most law abiding group in the country and the least likely to be involved in a drunken altercation. The fact that getting caught drunk will loose that hard earned CCW is a significant deterrent for those who every have the passing thought of "I'll have just one more".
Remember that "campus carry" only covers permit holders and those aren't the folks you worry about in those bars across the street. Not only is it unfair to paint permit holders with the same brush as drunken college students, it isn't statistically realistic. Be reassured that permit holders are not the guys playing stupid drinking games.
February 28, 2011, 01:40 AM
hso, I'm not painting permit holders in general into the same picture as those in the bars in general. IN has no open carry laws, so in order to have a handgun in your possession, you must have a CCW permit. All it takes to get a CCW here is a trip to the courthouse to pay the fee and get the background check. I know for a fact from first hand experience that there are plenty of non-carrying CCW's in those bars that are legally drunk (legal limit is .08 or roughly one drink or beer). And not all of them are as responsible as one should be with a firearm sober, let alone drunk.
We had a student shot to death on campus last year during a party before the semester began. The student was shot to death with his own handgun because him and his friends were playing a stupid drinking game. Its never been stated if anyone involved was a CCW, but seeing as how the laws are written and the ease with which you can get a CCW here, its well within the realm of possibility that the victim was a CCW.
Statistics are just that, statistics. They state the average of a range. I'd be willing to bet that IN is on the higher end of that range even if the numbers don't necessarily show it. I understand that Purdue is not representative of the nation at large, but I have seen both sides of the argument practiced in the real world here with irrevocable consequences both good & bad.
February 28, 2011, 01:48 AM
I put in my vote and put in a nice long comment in favor of carrying on campus. I also addressed an issue that caused one lady to be opposed to the idea. I would encourage anyone on this forum to write a nice respectful comment in favor of this change because it matters. As of now, more than half of the votes are IN FAVOR of allowing campus carry.
February 28, 2011, 02:24 PM
As of now its 44% no, 2% leaning no, 3% leaning yes, and 51% yes.
I voted leaning yes because I have no right to restrict others rights if they are of no harm to me, but I know there is the possibility of a problem arising from this too. After reading some of the comments there, it seems to me that very few of the responses are made by people who a familiar with guns or crime statistics in general. Not trying to put people down, but education and knowledge of the subject does go a long way to availing those fears of drunken shooting sprees.
The shooting that happened here at Purdue was the first shooting on campus in something like 10yrs+. I know that its not a common occurance by any stretch of the imagination, but it certainly is food for thought.
February 28, 2011, 04:25 PM
Is it just me, or is the accompanying photo highly inflammatory?
Staring down the barrel of a .45 held by a barechested kid does not entice a Yes vote. Thankfully, I'm not one to vote based on media presentation, so you got a yes from me, despite, or maybe because of, the photo and it's intentions.
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