thoughts on Beretta 3032 tomcat...


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GIJOEL
February 21, 2011, 03:59 PM
Anyone have any thoughts, Wisconsin may get some sort of CCW law soon and my fiance wants something small to keep in her coat pocket. She goes to the range with me a few times a year and doesn't like my Kahr P9 but didn't mind my dads NAA guardian .32 (except for trigger bite). I'm thinking about the Tomcat because it's got more meat on the grip and would seem to be an easy shooter. We have shot Kel-tec p-32 and p3-at and while reliable they just didn't fit her hand well (and the 380 was a bit nasty to shoot).

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swiftak
February 21, 2011, 04:43 PM
I bought a Tomcat about a month ago. I like small handguns that can just be put in a pocket. I've put about a hundred rounds thru mine and it funtioned flawlessly. I know the 32 auto isn't an ideal round for self defense but its better than a 22 and you ain't getting a .45 auto in a gun that small. I don't have big hands for a guy so its ok for me.

stanmo
February 21, 2011, 05:36 PM
I like mine for winter coat pocket carry. It's easy to handle with gloves on. I usually carry it without a holster with the safety on. It's easy to tip up the barrel and blow the lint out. Mine has been perfect for a few hundred rounds. During the summer I like my P-32.

MICHAEL T
February 21, 2011, 05:41 PM
ladies in my family prefer the KelTec in 32. Have 3 out their. Use the factory 10 round mag and it makes a difference and doesn't really hurt conceal ability. I think Beretta to big and trigger pull terrible and weights to much

makarovnik
February 21, 2011, 06:43 PM
Nice guns. Get the Inox version.

Joker19
February 21, 2011, 08:06 PM
Not bad ecept for:

Width/caliber/weight

Easier and less expensive to carry a hammer. At least it will take someone out if needed.

Joker19
February 21, 2011, 08:07 PM
a .22 is better than a .32!

GIJOEL
February 21, 2011, 08:23 PM
hmmm... so I should give her my Stiletto framing hammer? It is titanium, must be tactical right.

Sorry for the sarchasim, we have tried a few other pistols as I mentioned before, she likes the tip up barrel (easy to load and unload) and it seems to be well made. I know it's not the latest ninja pistol on the market but I want something she can practice with without getting a flinch habbit!

stanmo
February 21, 2011, 08:48 PM
I think a forum is needed just for Mall Ninjas.

swiftak
February 21, 2011, 08:50 PM
well, I would rather have a 32 over a 22

chicharrones
February 21, 2011, 11:49 PM
Not bad ecept for:

Width/caliber/weight

Easier and less expensive to carry a hammer. At least it will take someone out if needed.

A pants pocket sized hammer doesn't have the mass to stop a squirrel. If you could actually hit a squirrel with it. :p

chicharrones
February 21, 2011, 11:52 PM
a .22 is better than a .32!

Not out of a short pistol barrel.

.22LR - http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/22lr/gel22lr.htm

.32 ACP - http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm

chicharrones
February 22, 2011, 12:00 AM
One thing I do want to know about the Tomcat is . . . has Beretta finally figured out the frame cracking problem in the blued Tomcats?

I almost got a Tomcat years ago due to my familiarity with my Bobcat. I ended up with a NAA Guardian instead due to the frame cracking issue.

I would still love a Tomcat though. Yes, it is thick but it fits the hand pretty dang well, and it looks like a classic Beretta even though it isn't quite classic yet. :cool:

Frozen North
February 22, 2011, 12:05 AM
A very good friend of mine carries a Beretta .32. He is very happy with the pistol and it's weird tip up barrel. He has shot many boxes of ammo through it and claims that it has never malfunctioned. It is also surprisingly accurate.

It is fat for its size, but fat guns are easier on the hands. It would not be a very good choice for a pants pocket gun, but women ofter prefer their...... purse..... for concealed carry. :(

sig228
February 22, 2011, 12:31 AM
Beside the possibility of rimlock, gun is too thick for its size. Get her a LCP instead. That 380 is not as nasty as you think.

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 22, 2011, 11:58 AM
Avoid the Tomcat, this gun will destroy itself when its shot enough, google Beretta Tomcat frame crack and you'll change your mind.

TrakHack
February 22, 2011, 03:16 PM
I traded a "lesson learned" purchase last night for an Inox version of the .22 Bobcat. The salesman showed me the Tomcat first, but since I like to practice frequently the cost of feeding a gun is a factor for me. The Bobcat was also on sale and my trade almost covered its price.

I haven't shot it yet but I love the tip-up barrel. See if you can get your fiance to go to a gun store with you and try the feel of several in her hand; it's really hard to predict what someone else will like. I have found that if I like the way a gun looks, it somehow always feels great in my hand (not logical, I know).

IdahoSkies
February 22, 2011, 06:53 PM
+1 on the frame crack. I loved my tomcat (you can find my posts elsewhere on this board). I followed the ammo recommendations (nothing over 130 lbs of pressure) and I still ended up with a crack in the frame.

I loved the feel of the pistol in my hand, that it felt like a full size pistol, it was a da/sa and had a manual safety. It was my ideal pistol, except for the frame crack. The Inox wide body is substantially bigger and was actually uncomfortable to carry. My tomcat is back at the factory for repair and I will be traiding it for a kel-tec .32, its what i should have bought in the first place.

Its a fantastic design for a gun, they just can't execute it.

HankR
February 22, 2011, 08:32 PM
We had very bad luck w/ the Tomcat (prior to the Inox version). Didn't work very well, and after several calls to Beretta they kept saying it just needed more break-in. Once we'd put enough rounds through it for them to admit is was broken in, they decided it was probably worn out. I shipped it back to them (on my dime) and they discovered the cracked frame. They had the new "improved" version out (which claimed to fix the slide cracking) but gave me a new copy of the old version.

The good news is that Beretta had it for so long that my wife grew to like a S&W 3913, which had much less subjective recoil and was easier to operate (her hands are probably on the large side for a woman). The new improved Tomcat didn't seem much smaller than the 9mm compacts that have since become available. 9mm is cheaper to shoot, so more practice and more oomph.

This was probably 10 years ago, and I'm not sure how the new guns compare, but I wouldn't buy one.

Joker19
February 23, 2011, 07:06 PM
Simply put, stay away from the TomCat. It truely is a mistake. I owned two and wore one out in less than 1500 rounds and sold the other. And yes a .22 is better than a .32. Give up on this caliber.....it will get you killed! I will never use a .32 as a backup so why would I ever use one as an off duty concealed? .380 is the absolute smallest and now I have a Sig P238 I would also say, NEVER BUY ONE!!!!! Out of 100 rounds there were so many FTFs and FTEs that I simply put it in a drawer and hope it stays there. My ankle backup is a Kel Tec P3At and has had at least 2000 rounds through it with absolutely not ONE single FTF or FTE.

Big_John1961
April 18, 2011, 01:17 PM
I had a Tomcat for quite a few years and it worked fine. But I sold it a few months ago and got a Seecamp LWS 32 and haven't looked back. The difference in quality between the two guns, not to mention the size, is stunning. Just a different league altogether. They are pricey, but I recommend the Seecamp if you are looking for a .32.

Rexster
April 19, 2011, 01:49 AM
For the rare occasions I need such a tiny gun, I like my Seecamp. With lifestyle changes after I retire, my Seecamp LWS-32 may see more carry time, but I tend to pack heavier for now.

MachIVshooter
April 19, 2011, 02:22 AM
Beside the possibility of rimlock, gun is too thick for its size. Get her a LCP instead. That 380 is not as nasty as you think.

In point of fact, with the locked breech design of the Kel-Tec P3AT and it's Ruger clone, the .380 in those guns is more pleasant to fire than the .32 Tomcat.

I had a Tomcat, it was a nice little pistol, but too bulky for it's chambering in the contemporary market. Sold it, still have my P3AT (and P32).

Pete D.
April 19, 2011, 09:00 AM
I have had the blued version for years. I haven't shot it as much as some of you fellows. It has been 100% reliable but I have been wondering if the frame crack is inevitable.
It is a fat little gun, isn't it? I do like it but mostly it sits in the safe.

At the risk of a hijack....I am intrigued by this next idea, which has surfaced twice in this thread:
a .22 is better than a .32!
And yes a .22 is better than a .32.

I'd like to see/hear/read the rationale for that. Pistols chambered for the .32 ACP shoot a heavier, fatter, bullet faster - double the ME - than .22s fired from a similar pistol - and you say the .22 is a better round. Explain, please - or in another thread.
Pete

MachIVshooter
April 20, 2011, 05:47 AM
At the risk of a hijack....I am intrigued by this next idea, which has surfaced twice in this thread:

Quote:
a .22 is better than a .32!


And yes a .22 is better than a .32.

I'd like to see/hear/read the rationale for that. Pistols chambered for the .32 ACP shoot a heavier, fatter, bullet faster - double the ME - than .22s fired from a similar pistol - and you say the .22 is a better round. Explain, please - or in another thread.
Pete

There is one simple explanation for such ideology: Ignorance.

golden
April 22, 2011, 02:30 AM
GIJOEL,

I have owned a TOMCAT for about 3 years. I bought it to replace a .32ACP KEL-TEC that could not fire off a single magazine without a jam. I tried several different brands of ammo and it just did not matter.

When I took the TOMCAT to the range, it was much easier to shoot, but still jammed every once in a while. I was using WINCHESTER WHITE BOX which is my usual practice ammo.
Well, I tried different brands and presto, 100% reliable with AGUILA fmj. I looked at the rounds side by side and the WINCHESTER has a flat tip, while the AGUILA has a rounded bullet. That solved that problem.

For a carry load, I tried HYDRO SHOK which worked well, but not perfect. GOLD DOT, SILVER TIP and also MAG TECH also worked some of the time.

Then I did the same thing for the TOMCAT as I did for an unreliable feeding SIG. I loaded it with COR BON Powerball. Again, problem solved. I have fired 120 rounds of Powerball without any problems.
I have fired almost 500 rounds through the TOMCAT without any signs of cracking. The last 350 have not produced any jams or misfeeds.

Like the COLT LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER, it is meant to be a gun carried much, but shot only occasionally. I wear mine almost daily.

Also, the tip up barrel may seem like a gimmick, but makes a lot of sense when dealing with a really small gun and round. Instead of racking the slide, you can leave the hammer down or put on the safety, load a full mag and then pop up the barrel to load a round in the chamber. That is how I do it.

In my experience, these small pistols are more sensitive than larger pocket pistols like the old COLT 1903 Pocket model and BROWNING 1910. Both of these guns have fed ball and hollow point without a problem.
Also, my BERETTA 82 in .32ACP and 84 in .380 are just as rock solid reliable.


HEY JOKER, your kidding about the .22lr, aren't you. Maybe in a rifle, it would have a power advantage, but in one of the 2 inch barrel mini pistols?
A rifle loaded with STINGERS would hurt a lot, but probably no more than my larger .32ACP pistols loaded with a good hollow point.

Jim

Radagast
April 22, 2011, 12:00 PM
I had an Inox Tomcat about 8 years ago. It was very accurate, but failures to extract would occur after 50 rounds, the trigger was so heavy the double action couldn't be measured on my Lyman digital trigger guage, the grip screw would back out under recoil and the firing pin broke when dry fired on a fired case. I think I had less than 200 rounds through it.
Turned it in in a gun buy back. Good riddance.
Oh, if pocket carried it wanted to turn upside down.

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