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Nushif
February 23, 2011, 01:32 PM
I was reading yet another thread about range rules and a thought came to me.

There are, of course some rules at a range that are pretty much non negotiable. One for instance, being hearing protection. Another one being eye-pro. Along with that some basic safe gun handling rules.

Now, we can pretty much agree that wearing some muffs while being around really, really loud noises is a darned good idea. In an environment where shrapnel happens, some eye-pro is pretty smart, too.
However, where most of this griping pops up is with different rules, such as well, baseball caps, turtlenecks, nomex shirts and the like.

I was wondering where there is a line (or rather where the gray area starts) on range safety rules.

For instance, eye-pro is easy to justify, as losing one's eyesight is rather bad, it's easily done at a range and eye-pro isn't usually "invasive" when ti comes to training. This is good safety, right?
But depending on the skill or the proponent, a pretty good argument can be made to never, ever allow any shoots timed less than six seconds apart. Ranges like that are disregarded by a fairly large chunk of the shooting community as practically worthless for self defense shooting, though.

So my question here is, what constitutes a "functional" (for lack of a better term) range rule, for example eye and ear-pro, and what makes a rule "frivolous", for example a cap and long sleeved turtleneck requirement.
Because while there does seem to be this notion that it is indeed *safer* to shoot with a ballcap, a turtleneck, eye and ear pro firing nothing other than .22s every ten seconds there is much more resistance there.

Where is the difference, really? Because I don't think the argument of "safety" can be made. If we were trying to truly be safe we'd be steering clear of firearms entirely and be using padded clubs instead.

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nofishbob
February 23, 2011, 01:52 PM
The first ranges where I ever shot a rifle made you shoot from a bench only.

I guess it is to keep muzzle discipline easier.

What a difference for me the first time I had a chance to stand up and shoot!

Very humbling.

I wonder how many of my former bench-only shooting partners get a real shock the first time they try to hit something in the real world?

Bob

M2 Carbine
February 23, 2011, 02:35 PM
So my question here is, what constitutes a "functional" (for lack of a better term) range rule,
Other than the normal safe gun handling rules that we should be using all the time, I only have two rules for people that shoot on my range.

#1 Under no circumstances will the shooter allow a bullet to miss the backstop.

#2 Under no circumstances will the shooter shoot me.



Not necessarily in that order.:)


However, where most of this griping pops up is with different rules, such as well, baseball caps, turtlenecks, nomex shirts and the like.
I do tell the female shooters they might think about buttoning their shirt up to the neck.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
February 23, 2011, 02:44 PM
I do tell the female shooters they might think about buttoning their shirt up to the neck.
....and rightfully so!
If she is about to fire and a hot piece of brass drops down her cleavage, there could be a major problem!

M2 Carbine
February 23, 2011, 04:58 PM
If she is about to fire and a hot piece of brass drops down her cleavage, there could be a major problem!
For sure.
Years ago I got a bad burn on my collar bone where a 22 LR case found it's way under my T shirt. I was distracted shooting rapid fire and didn't get to the case soon enough.

Nushif
February 23, 2011, 05:37 PM
I've seen the wife shoot her .45, blink once, calmly reach into her cleavage and retrieve a hot piece of brass and toss it, then resume shooting.

I've been hit countless times, had it roll down the back of my shirt and somehow not managed shooting myself or anyone because of it.

Now, I know it's all personal experience, but for some reason I don't buy this myth of the wailing, screaming, lamenting and gun waving little lady who got burned by some brass. Just never seen it.

ny32182
February 23, 2011, 05:58 PM
"Safety" is a sliding scale. The only safety rule everyone will agree on 100% of the time, is "don't shoot people". Beyond that, what is safe to some is not safe to others; what is kosher on one range is not so at other places.

One thing I got a kick out of recently; at my range two of the action diciplines are IDPA and cowboy. A couple of my IDPA buddies are also into the CAS. We were talking about the CAS one time, and somehow it was brought up that, "in CAS, we don't... MOVE with loaded guns... because it is unsafe". (ummm... what???) Same guys, same range, different sports... one minute an action is safe; the next it isn't. Just the way it goes.

Some ranges won't even let you draw your gun from a hip holster. It is a sliding scale depending on the individuals in question.

thorn726
February 23, 2011, 09:38 PM
not shooting while others are downrange is a great precaution, but when some guys 35 yds to the right warn "we're shooting, but away from you"- and they are shooting a cap and ball at a target 15 feet away in the total opposite direction of us...the "shooting while downrange" rule was bent a little. BUT when a guy is adjusting targets down range and in front of us, even though he is 25 yds to the right, we stop shooting.

happygeek
February 23, 2011, 10:33 PM
But depending on the skill or the proponent, a pretty good argument can be made to never, ever allow any shoots timed less than six seconds apart. Ranges like that are disregarded by a fairly large chunk of the shooting community as practically worthless for self defense shooting, though.


Heck ranges like that would be practically worthless for practicing to make Rifleman at an Appleseed.

Nushif
February 24, 2011, 01:12 AM
that's exactly my point, at which ... point, hurr hurr, does this descend into making range impractical for use?

Where is this point at which we, the shooters decide there's enough rules in place and we start rebelling in that "I'm never gonna come here again" sense.

Since all the arguments come from this nucleus of "safety" ... where do we draw the line?

That's my question. It's a philosophical one, I know, but the argument of ear muffs stems from the same argument of "gun control."
I think we, as a mildly virtual and incongruent community at some point have to decide, where we draw the "safety" line. at which point is "safety" no longer applicable? When we wear nomex shirts and cups? Or when we have to tie our horribad hippie long hair back because some RO says so?

Where is our "safety threshold" if you will?

Hatterasguy
February 24, 2011, 01:24 AM
At lot of ranges around me annoy me. AFAIK if it involves safety fine, I'm all for it, but a lot of rules are BS.

For starters I'll wear what I want, thanks I know what a burning 5.56 down the back of my shirt feels like I'll wear a T shirt in the summer. Mind your own business on my attire. I have been shooting in everything from Carhartt work cloths to a Zegna suite.


First ranges that have rules against rapid fire drive me nuts. I'm an experienced safe shooter, once in awhile I enjoy opening up my semi's and letting a mag go.

Also shooting from the bench, some ranges prohibit anything else. Screw that it doesn't do anything for me unless I'm sighting in or playing with a high dollar bolt gun. If I can't shoot standing, sitting, or prone, I have no interest in using that range.

My view is as long as you are being safe and know what your doing have fun, I don't care how you shoot. But if I see something unsafe I'll be the first to speak up. Ranges that have stupid rules I simply vote with my wallet and don't use.

This is why I joined a private club, 90% of my shooting is alone or with my friends at a private range. Not stupid rules or people, love it!

bluetopper
February 24, 2011, 01:25 AM
At the outdoor private gun club and range I'm a member of there are some rules posted but nobody is ever there to enforce them. Shooters just rely on common sense and courtesy. Seems to work wonderfully.

Blackrock
February 24, 2011, 01:30 AM
I was out shooting at my local range today and a young couple were shooting an AR and a couple pistols. I was able to set up and shoot at better than 90% from there line of fire. Set out my 100 and 200 yard targets and went to work.
I am shooting a .223 bolt gun and when they left I picked up 100+ pieces of their brass.
We all had eyes and ears, not bad considering this is a desert shooting place and not an organized range.
I noticed he practiced good muzzel control and open chamber discipline and was coaching his CUTE little wife real well. Not bad considering he is a wet behind the ears brand new LEO and they were shooting his duty guns and burning my taxpayer ammo.
But really now he is a great kid and a lot of fun to be around.

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