If the government shuts down, will NICS be down also?


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Balrog
February 23, 2011, 01:35 PM
I have a question, and I do not intend for it to become a political discussion. It appears we may be only a few days away from the government shutting down over the budget. If that happens, will firearms sales be allowed to continue? Will NICS continue to function?

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X-Rap
February 23, 2011, 01:37 PM
I'd say if you need one buy one, that goes for the shutdown or not, I think we are in for some odd times and that is not a political statement.

Balrog
February 23, 2011, 01:41 PM
I am good on guns, just asking what happens to NICS if they fail to come up with a budget agreement.

X-Rap
February 23, 2011, 01:59 PM
I would say that the NICS could certainly fall under what they would consider non essential, especially with this admin. if it is their choice. (yes a little political):rolleyes::scrutiny:

USAF_Vet
February 23, 2011, 06:01 PM
If the government shut down over budget, it most likely wouldn't effect us in our daily lives. It's not like an EMP goes off and everything comes to a screeching halt. For the most part, business will continue as usual, federal and otherwise.

Zoogster
February 23, 2011, 07:51 PM
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clutch
February 23, 2011, 07:58 PM
I would like to see NICS shut down for budget reasons. Then I'd like to see the SAF file a lawsuit against our government. Lawyers on our side could have a lot of fun with that.

Clutch

macadore
February 23, 2011, 09:37 PM
So would this turn into a de facto ban on the sale of firearms?

Balrog
February 23, 2011, 11:11 PM
So would this turn into a de facto ban on the sale of firearms?

No, only if a NICS check is required.

Private sales would be OK still, since no NICs check is needed in most states. Also, many states CCW permits allow buyers to bypass the NICS check.

bubba15301
February 24, 2011, 12:34 AM
in pa the state does the instant check

Geno
February 24, 2011, 12:39 AM
If you have a concealed carry permit, you do not have to do the NICS.

Geno

X-Rap
February 24, 2011, 12:55 AM
If you have a concealed carry permit, you do not have to do the NICS.


Pretty general statement for the www:confused::scrutiny:it don't work that way in my world:(

Birdmang
February 24, 2011, 12:58 AM
If the gov't "shuts down" (what does that even entail) I wont be shopping in my local gun store, Ill probably be either buying gas food and water, or having a party; depends on how good the "shut down" is.

IncredibleGord
February 24, 2011, 05:22 AM
Birdmang,

Open up your favorite web search engine, and look for news articles pertaining to: March 5 deadline, US gov shut down,

Cnn has an interesting article outlining which services will be down. No new passports, or trips to nat'l parks. It seems like the gov will lose a lot of money if they procede as well.

Back to the original topic.... NCIS probably would stay open, because how many FFLs in the US use it every day? That would be a lot of money lost for businesses, and the government off of the taxes on firearm sales.

It is our duty to remain aware of what is happening, and to stand together during times of unrest. Fear and hype cause too many problems, including riots, and violence. The US government has seen much darker times, and always got through them. I feel for the Libyans unable to defend themselves on the streets right now, just proves how great it is to be an American.

swinokur
February 24, 2011, 07:55 AM
It was my understanding LE agencies was not going to shut down. NICS is run b y the FBI. I'd ask an FFL for the info. They should have been informed if NICS closes.

ultradoc
February 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
Good question. I doubt they would shut down the ncis though

hso
February 24, 2011, 08:14 AM
No, NICS won't shut down.

lizziedog1
February 24, 2011, 09:28 AM
Am I worried about a NICS shut down? Not really.:)

Am I worried about $5.00 a gallon gas? You bet!:eek:

USAF_Vet
February 24, 2011, 09:48 AM
Am I worried about $5.00 a gallon gas? You bet!

Yeah no doubt. I have a 75 miles one way commute to work right now. $5.00 a gallon would be brutal.

Balrog
February 24, 2011, 10:12 AM
you should live closer to your job!

USAF_Vet
February 24, 2011, 05:59 PM
Balrog, I'm working on it, actually moving next month and cutting my commute in half. But when jobs are scarce you take what you can get and worry about the equally poor housing market later.

FNX-9
February 24, 2011, 06:07 PM
Yeah no doubt. I have a 75 miles one way commute to work right now. $5.00 a gallon would be brutal.

I paid $4.75 today, i nearly puked.

Arkansas Paul
February 24, 2011, 06:37 PM
I paid $4.75 today, i nearly puked.


Wow! I thought it was bad here. Still hovering around the $3.25 mark in central Arkansas.

thorn726
February 24, 2011, 06:40 PM
seems highly unlikely but remotely possible, here's a short breakdown from an article, some paperwork could stop, but probably wont-

>>In fact, budget experts say it's unlikely that Social Security and veterans checks would stop coming, but federal budget expert Stan Collender says a government shutdown is still a very big deal.

"Everybody may hate federal spending, but they like federal services," he says. "And that's what happened back in '95 and '96 when we had the last two shutdowns. Within minutes of the shutdown, after everyone got over the initial kind of amusement of the situation, they realized suddenly that they couldn't apply for a passport, couldn't apply for a visa and national parks were closed. Government contractors suddenly found out there was no one there to review their proposals or process their checks — and they were angry as hell about it."<<<<

Dokkalfar
February 24, 2011, 08:18 PM
In the unlikely event NICS was to shut down, my guess is that dealers can still send in the information (fax), but then it falls under the 'no deny within 3 days' rule, so when the dealer doesn't get any 'deny' from them within 72 hours, you're free to pick up your new friend :)

ZeSpectre
February 24, 2011, 08:23 PM
Well... seems to me that "be prepared" would be a good plan just about now.

Guillermo
February 25, 2011, 12:47 PM
the way I understand it, and I am NOT a lawyer (thank you Lord!) NICS has 5 days to respond. No response equals a "proceed".

IF they were to shut down for some reason (this ain't it) it would become essentially like a 5 day waiting period.

swinokur
February 25, 2011, 12:59 PM
IIRC NICS wait is 3 days not 5

Guillermo
February 25, 2011, 01:04 PM
NICS wait is 3 days not 5

I stand corrected

thank you

Balrog
February 26, 2011, 02:33 AM
IF they were to shut down for some reason (this ain't it) it would become essentially like a 5 day waiting period.

I am not sure that is how I think it would work. I believe NICS has 5 days to response, starting from the time they receive the request for the check. If they are shut down, then they do not receive the request until they reopen.

withdrawn34
February 26, 2011, 02:52 AM
If you have a concealed carry permit, you do not have to do the NICS.

Geno

Not everywhere. In Florida, they still run a background check, but a FL CWP does allow you to skip out on the waiting period for handguns.

swinokur
February 26, 2011, 09:17 AM
I am not sure that is how I think it would work. I believe NICS has 5 days to response, starting from the time they receive the request for the check. If they are shut down, then they do not receive the request until they reopen.

See Post #28

thorn726
February 26, 2011, 01:32 PM
fairly detailed article on the shutdown and process here>>
LINK (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/02/24/national/w122133S07.DTL&ao=all)

some small pains in the neck, otherwise mainly a headache for clerical workers who may be off for a few days

wildbilll
February 26, 2011, 01:59 PM
I paid $4.75 today, i nearly puked.

Is that Atlanta, GA, USA?

Atlanta Georgia Gas Prices (http://www.atlantagasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A)

wildbilll
February 26, 2011, 02:02 PM
I am not sure that is how I think it would work. I believe NICS has 5 days to response, starting from the time they receive the request for the check. If they are shut down, then they do not receive the request until they reopen.

Unless they have an answering machine?:D

I don't think they will be answering the phones. Only field agents will show up for work. The rest will enjoy a extra paid vacation for the duration, just like last time.

vaherder
February 26, 2011, 06:57 PM
Thorn726

"some small pains in the neck, otherwise mainly a headache for clerical workers who may be off for a few days"

Despite what Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity et say very few federal employees are clerical workers these days. Clerical and administrative positions were contracted out under Billy Clinton. And there unions with a few exceptions do not collective bargain.

Most Feds are in professional positions ie air traffic controller, contract administrator, intell analyst, security specialist, accountant, auditor, lawyer etc. Your average Wal Mart employee doesnt have the skill set to be a Fed despite what Limbaugh says.

If you need a security clearance or a CAC card the investigations for those positions will stop if the govt is shutdown as well the adjudication your case.

Pols on both sides need to act like adults not 13yo girls.

Looks like the shutdown may get a 2 week delay. Not sure where HSO gets his info he may be right but I ask family member who works for the FBI. NICS is not essential. FBI and DOJ have too many other essential tasks to fund ie donut eating and range time. Remember in the FBI SAS come first always.

Va herder

Bubbles
February 26, 2011, 11:45 PM
IIRC NICS wait is 3 days not 5
It's 3 business days, which can turn into 5 or even 6 calendar days depending on weekends and holidays.

As for the answer to the OP's question, I emailed the NICS folks at the FBI and asked. I will report the answer when I receive it.

bushmaster1313
February 27, 2011, 12:24 AM
I thought only "non-essential" services would be shut down

TexasRifleman
February 28, 2011, 09:15 PM
When we're down to gas prices, the topic is done it seems.

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