Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People


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browning308
February 23, 2011, 06:23 PM
:banghead: Today i just saw a commercial stating that guns should be banned because they kill people, and it quoted "when will we ever learn?" They showed pictures of the guns the criminal crazies used to kill.....they were automatic uzis,:uhoh: ump45's.....ect...Now in my statement if there is somebody crazy enough to kill someone like that...they could easily create....or get there guns off the black market....Also... another theory of mine is the government is just using it as an excuse for some reason..... I just wanted to through this thread out there...this country was created to be Free!!! Tell me what you guys think!! Thanks, Chris

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Davey Wavey
February 24, 2011, 01:50 AM
I think anti-gunners are a great source of comedic entertainment.

tyeo098
February 24, 2011, 09:56 AM
I think anti-gunners are a great source of comedic entertainment.
Too bad some people believe the nonsense.
Same people that buy lottery tickets, the uneducated who dont understand probability and are most likely uneducated, so they believe whatever the idiot box tells them.
(not taking a shot at anybody, just my POV)

xXxplosive
February 24, 2011, 10:03 AM
Years ago one of my neighbors killed his wife with a Hammer.......So....:uhoh:

FNX-9
February 24, 2011, 10:11 AM
A lot of people die in cars, i think they should be banned. You now need to walk everywhere. Eventually (hopefully) people will actually be able to think freely for themself and realize that people kill people, it has nothing to do with whatever type of weapon or non-weapon is used.

I live in a very nice neighborhood just outside of Atlanta and yesterday morning as i was leaving i saw about 10 cop cars with the officers roaming around with assault rifles. I was obviously surprised and could only hope that it was something domestic and not a break in. As it turns out a woman was holding her husband hostage with a gun (beretta, they had a pic of it, it was nice) and a baseball bat. The entire incident ended without a problem, except for the woman going to a psych ward. Of course the media only focused on the guy being held at gunpoint, and there was only a slight mention of the bat. It is just a perception. If anyone wants to see the article just google smyrna, ga hostage - i am sure it would come up.

rajb123
February 24, 2011, 11:35 AM
Texas will permit students to carry guns on the college campus. This is a great idea. If more folks at Giffords speech were carrying, the madman gunner would have been taken out earlier instead of shooting 19.

JoeMal
February 24, 2011, 11:39 AM
People misspell words in a letter; is the pencil at fault?
People run the gas out of their car; is the car at fault?
People overdraw their bank account; is the debit card at fault?

The answer is no. PEOPLE are the common denominator here....it's not the guns fault that the trigger is pulled

ultradoc
February 24, 2011, 11:49 AM
JoeMal I think I will use some of your examples in the future.

Horny Toad
February 24, 2011, 12:07 PM
On the news you'll hear a statement like "X number of people are killed every year by drunk drivers". That is a factually correct statement (assuming the number is correct). I've never heard anyone say "X number of people are killed every year by cars". That would be a silly thing to say. But in the next breath, that same talking head will state "Every year, X number of people are killed by handguns (or "gun violence") in this country". It's mind-blowing to me that many people don't see the lunacy in the "killed by guns" statement.

RustHunter87
February 24, 2011, 12:28 PM
Years ago one of my neighbors killed his wife with a Hammer.......So....

BAN HAMMERS! Quickly:eek:

USAF_Vet
February 24, 2011, 12:32 PM
Also ban chainsaws, screwdrivers, kitchen knives, aspirin, clorox, tall buildings, bridges, fists, feet...

but wait, prohibition doesn't really accomplish anything does it?

Double Naught Spy
February 24, 2011, 01:44 PM
I think anti-gunners are a great source of comedic entertainment.

Careful y'all don't get a nose bleed while riding your high horse, but if you find the anti-gunner view a source of comedic entertainment, then your sides sides will ake, you'll laugh so hard when you read equally ignorant pro-gun comments.

Accordingly Alan Korwin who is very pro-gun, suggesting that when antis say that "guns kill" that we should say "guns save lives." http://www.gunlaws.com/pdf/PCdGlossary.pdf

This is an admission of our own ignorance in understanding the matter. If on one hand pro-gun folks are going to argue that guns don't kill people, that people kill people, then we cannot argue that guns save lives. If we do argue that guns save lives, then we provide confirmation to the claim that guns do-in-fact kill people.

Too bad some people believe the nonsense.
Yeah, on both sides of the issue. For years I have noticed that many pro gun folks engage in the exact same logic flaws of the antis, but pushing our perspective. We also make a lot of the exact same mistakes when looking at crime data. For years it has been claimed than concealed carry lowers the crime rate...which is bogus.

Horny Toad
February 24, 2011, 01:57 PM
Accordingly Alan Korwin who is very pro-gun, suggesting that when antis say that "guns kill" that we should say "guns save lives."

This is an admission of our own ignorance in understanding the matter. If we do argue that guns save lives, then we provide confirmation to the claim that guns do-in-fact kill people.


Yeah, on both sides of the issue. For years I have noticed that many pro gun folks engage in the exact same logic flaws of the antis....

Absolutely. To claim that guns "do" anything is ridiculous. Guns are inanimate objects.

Davey Wavey
February 25, 2011, 02:10 AM
This is an admission of our own ignorance in understanding the matter. If we do argue that guns save lives, then we provide confirmation to the claim that guns do-in-fact kill people.


Interesting, never thought of it that way. Not sure I agree with it 100% though.

If an attacker is killed due to a victim defending him or herself then I would consider the gun as being something that saves lives. It helped to save the life of the victim. The attacker made the decision that led to his own death. He forfeited his life. It wasn't the gun that killed him.

That's my personal belief. Whether or not the legal system sees it the same is beyond me.

However I still find arguments using terms like shoulder things that go up and heat seeking .50 cal sniper rifles to be funny. On the other hand it also does aggravate me that such nonsense gets spread around. If I sit here and get steamed every time I hear or read those comments I would have popped long ago.

Davek1977
February 25, 2011, 03:10 AM
I'm just glad any outlet broadcasting such drivel would be immediately boycotted by many here in SD. Anti-gun and Animal rights messages aren't well received here, where the majority own guns, live in rural areas, and where most are in some degree involved with agriculture or hunting. I LOVE the billboards along I-90 that proudly proclaim "South Dakotans reject animal rights activists, wear fur and eat meat!" To be honest, the anti-gun bias I read so often about here at THR is somthing I've never experienced as a lifelong SD resident. From the sheriff that issued me my ccw @ 18, to the middleschool principal who personally congratulated me for killing my first deer......to employers willing to actually discuss ccw on the premises.....the idea educators and cops are anti-gun elsewhere is a reality I know, but one thats hard for me to come to grips with personally. i've never seen anti-gun print, radio, or televsion ads. The sole SD member of "Mayors against Illegal guns" resigned his membership once it was discovered. Its amazing how much can change from area to area.......

Double Naught Spy
February 25, 2011, 07:42 AM
If an attacker is killed due to a victim defending him or herself then I would consider the gun as being something that saves lives.

The gun doesn't do anything. A person does. That is the whole point. However, the anti claim is that guns kill people, hence are inherently evil and must be controled or eradicated via legislation.

Choose your words carefully. Endorsement of their argument via the same logic may not be beneficial to you.

Davey Wavey
February 25, 2011, 08:13 AM
I went on to say that it helps.

gbw
February 25, 2011, 11:43 AM
The gun doesn't do anything. A person does. That is the whole point. However, the anti claim is that guns kill people, hence are inherently evil and must be controled or eradicated via legislation.

Choose your words carefully. Endorsement of their argument via the same logic may not be beneficial to you.

And your facts. The above is a misstatement of their argument, one that's often made up by our side because it's easier for us to win this false argument than to deal with what the antis really do say.

Know your opponent. What they really say, at least the ones with any brains, is that a gun makes a violent person more dangerous - a gun makes it easier for him to injure or kill if he's so inclined. And because guns are so easily available it's more likely that a violent person will have one. Both of which are true. The gun does indeed do something.

gbw
February 25, 2011, 12:07 PM
The gun doesn't do anything. A person does. That is the whole point. However, the anti claim is that guns kill people, hence are inherently evil and must be controled or eradicated via legislation.

Choose your words carefully. Endorsement of their argument via the same logic may not be beneficial to you.

And your facts. The above is a misstatement of their argument, one that's often made up by our side because it's easier for us to win this false argument than to deal with what the antis really do say.

Know your opponent. What they really say, at least the ones with any brains, is that a gun makes a violent person more dangerous - a gun makes it easier for him to injure or kill if he's so inclined. And because guns are so easily available it's more likely that a violent person will have one. Both of which are true. The gun does indeed do something.

NMGonzo
February 25, 2011, 12:17 PM
It's sad to hear about what people believes.

Last story here in Albuquerque was about a woman trying to kill someone with a minivan.

mokin
February 25, 2011, 12:23 PM
BAN MINIVANS. Couldn't resist.

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