Opinion on Remington .22 Target ammo


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MilitisDeii
February 23, 2011, 06:58 PM
Hello everyone.

I am in need of really cheap
.22lr ammo.

I will start shooting .22
Handguns in the next weeks
and im very short on budget.

What do you think
about this ammo:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3170883

Don't get confused, it is a German page
since I'm from Germany.

Thank you for
your answers

MilitisDeii

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belercous
February 23, 2011, 09:30 PM
.22 Remmington ammo, even the match grade stuff, has a lot of duds. I won't buy it any more. Wolf makes decent match ammo for cheap, so does Agulia. I don't shoot anything but match grade since I like to hit what I aim at. (I usually shoot @ 50 yds and don't like more than a 1" spread.

wanderinwalker
February 23, 2011, 09:49 PM
The Remington target isn't great ammunition, but it is tolerable. I find it very dirty and not very accurate in my pistols.

How is the price on it? And can you find CCI ammunition over there? If you can, CCI Standard Velocity is superior to the Remington. The SK and RWS ammunition is better than either, but is more expensive (at least it is here) and if you are just starting out, the extra accuracy isn't needed, especially with a handgun.

Boomerang
February 23, 2011, 10:48 PM
I watched my good friend put 10 shots into 1/4 inch at 100 yards with it using a Feinwerkbau rifle, but I wouldn't use it in a match because it's full of duds and probably inconsistent lot to lot. He was testing different boxes of ammo and the Remington green box just happened to be the most accurate on that day.
It's perfectly fine for pistol practice, especially International Rapid Fire, where you use up a lot.

bowyer19
February 23, 2011, 10:53 PM
Too many duds! I have better luck with balk Federal or winchester. In my pistol I use CCI Mini Mag copper plated solids when reliability counts.

frankenstein406
February 23, 2011, 10:53 PM
Federal bulk boxes are good. Idk if that's common tho.

NavyLCDR
February 23, 2011, 11:00 PM
Pass on it. I wish that I did!

medalguy
February 23, 2011, 11:11 PM
Where I go shoot on BLM land, there are tons of .22 cases on the ground so I know a lot of .22 is shot there. You can pick up handfuls of unfired .22 ammo and lots of it has primer strikes, and MOST of it is Remington. Personally I buy Federal .22 in the 555 cartons and have hardly any duds.

DonP
February 23, 2011, 11:17 PM
YMMV but ...

I shoot about 10 different .22's from Marlin model 60s (5 of them) a Remington Nylon 66, Winchester 62A gallery gun, Henry Golden Boy, Savage AJ7, Sears Model 41 (Marlin Model 101), Browning Buckmark, etc.

1. Federal Auto Match 40 gr. (325 rounds per box and as accurate as any higher priced special match stuff I've bought.) Designed for semi auto use but just as accurate in my old single shot Sears Model 41.

Auto Match was impossible to find for a year or so and the rumor was that Federal figured out how good it really was as bulk ammo and was selling the same stuff in a different box for twice the price as "Match Grade". It's back now.

2. Federal bulk - 550 rounds per box (the blue stuff) almost as good as above but not quite as consistent at distances.

rfwobbly
February 23, 2011, 11:25 PM
It's OK, but I much prefer the Federal Target.

Boomerang
February 23, 2011, 11:34 PM
MilitisDeii, please let us know what type of gun and or sport you will be shooting and we can then get a better idea of what might work best for you.

Much of the advice here is very good, but if you're shooting the European target guns, high velocity ammo will beat them up and you would do best to stick with standard velocity for those guns.

oerllikon
February 23, 2011, 11:50 PM
I love the winchester bulk ammo. It works great in my friends buckmark target pistol, in my marlin 60, and in my 925 bolt action. The remington is VERY cheap stuff, and Ive experienced the same things people have noted above.
Im a huge fan of the Fiocchi shooting dynamics ammo. Its very uniform, reliable, but the stuff i shoot out of my bolt action is very hot for .22. It beats the heck out of the buffer on my semi auto marlin 60. I believe it is 22hvcrn

doc2rn
February 24, 2011, 02:20 AM
Do NOT buy that ammo! I made that mistake once, and I am still paying for it. I bought a brick of that "not highroad" stuff and over a third of it is duds. Even with multiple strikes around the base. You should get some Eley or Winchester, you will be happier with the results. Federal Target is the best IMHO.

MilitisDeii
February 24, 2011, 11:28 AM
I will shoot a .22lr S&W revolver
at 25m distance.

With Federal bulk packs I had two duds
per six shot cylinder.

They ignited properly on the second strike but it is nonetheless
very annoying.

The ammo does not need to be very
accurate but it shot work properly
in a revolver.

I have the problem that I can't buy
ammo as cheap as you can do in the US.

The 38€ for 1000 shots of .22 are over 52$
and that is the cheapest ammo you can get.

deadin
February 24, 2011, 11:55 AM
If you are getting 2 duds per 6 shot cylinder, that's a 33% failure rate, so your $52 per 1000 is actually $52 per 666. That means that you could afford to spend $78 per 1000 if you bought ammo that actually worked every time.
How much does a better grade of ammo cost?

Boomerang
February 24, 2011, 03:32 PM
Stopper.de has CCI Blazer for your same price of the Remington and Federal Target for just a little more.
Both of those brands will go bang reliably and the Federal is very good for pistol.

MilitisDeii
February 24, 2011, 04:53 PM
Thank you for the link.

38,80€ for 1000 rounds is a very fair price.

I think, I will take the CCI SV.

Thanks to all posters for warning me
not to take that junk ammo.

Now I have another question:

I would like to test some very high velocity
.22s (just for fun, not serious practice).

I have read that the CCI Stingers are very hot loaded
and well made. But there is a problem:
Due to the stupid German laws I can't buy them
since I am not a hunter.

Any alternatives?

tarosean
February 24, 2011, 05:34 PM
With Federal bulk packs I had two duds
per six shot cylinder.


Is it the Same Cylinders every time???

bannockburn
February 24, 2011, 06:07 PM
For me, Remington ammo has always been extremely poor, with more misfeeds, misfires, and duds per 50 round box than any other rimfire ammo I have ever used. This applies to just about every type of rimfire ammo they make. My best results accuracy wise have been with Wolf Match Target, along with Federal Auto Match and Federal Target. CCI MiniMags are also very accurate and reliable.

Furncliff
February 24, 2011, 06:09 PM
CCI Mini Mag or CCI Blazer these two get over 1200 fps.

CCI Velocitor... 1435 fps

The stingers go over 1600 fps


Just wondering.... is the German ammo maker SK available to you? I use the SK standard in my target rifle, that or the Wolf brand.


Are you familiar with Midway? I buy ammo from them quite often. Here is their German web page...
http://www.midwaydeutschland.com/

ThePunisher'sArmory
February 24, 2011, 06:14 PM
Well I bought 300 rounds of the stuff and hope it does better than evryone says......I have not had the chance to shoot it yet.

ConstitutionCowboy
February 24, 2011, 06:18 PM
Remington 22LR duds that I've disassembled have had a gap in the primer right where the firing pin dimpled the case. I've never sorted through the powder to see if I could find the missing segment of primer, but when I've chambered the devoid-of-powder, bullet-less cases, positioned so the firing pin would strike in a new spot, they've all popped nicely upon firing. Whether the segment of primer was missing prior to firing or was knocked loose when struck, I can't say.

Next batch of Remington 22's I get hold of that have misfires, I'll check more closely. I've never tried to second strike one that misfired, rotated so the firing pin would hit a new spot, so I'll try that as well before I disassemble the round.

My best guess is that somehow the primer material doesn't adhere well to the brass and gets knocked out of the rim.

Disclaimer: I'm neither a gunsmith nor a pyromaniac.:what: I'm just a layman tinkerer.:evil:

Woody

Larry E
February 24, 2011, 06:45 PM
If you're in Germany and want good .22 LR ammo see what you can find SKF for. It's made in Germany, and from my experience with Wolf which is made by SKF it's pretty good stuff.

Not equal to Lapua or Eley maybe, but better than Remington and it always goes bang when the trigger is pulled. Federal and Winchester are much more reliable than Remington in my experience, and would be acceptable for learning for sure if it's available to you in Germany.

MilitisDeii
February 25, 2011, 09:06 AM
The ammo of SK Schönebeck is readily avalaible
here. It is indeed well made German ammo.

But it is relatively expensive and since I am an
beginner in shooting handguns I won't
shoot as good as my gun and ammo would make
possible.

I think that I will stick to CCI SV as target ammo.

But for fun purposes I would like to have high velocity
.22 rounds.

I would like to have a round with over
150 footpounds of energy.

What do you think about the CCI Velocitor?

RimfireChris
February 25, 2011, 12:19 PM
Welcome. I haven't shot the Velocitor myself, but I've shot a lot of their other offerings, and they've all been great. Stay away from Remington, as the failure rate is absolutely unacceptable, as well as the fact that it's very dirty.

Furncliff
February 25, 2011, 12:42 PM
Velocitor is 183 foot pounds.

Here are some reviews of this ammo.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=174691

MilitisDeii
February 25, 2011, 02:42 PM
This looks very nice.
I think I will buy it.

Thanks.

BTW: What would be the largest
game you could hunt with that cartridge?

mcdonl
February 25, 2011, 08:49 PM
I was not impressed with it today. Of course, it was blowing 15-25 and blizzard conditions... but still, not any better than regular remington wildcat....

FROGO207
February 25, 2011, 09:56 PM
^^^^ Your girls got you shooting in the snowstorm again?:D Now I am jealous, I had to work all day.:mad: Oh well to the range tomorrow to try my new Missouri Bullets 45 ACP LRN and see what my S&W likes best.:p

To the OP I had such poor luck with my Rem .22 green box that instead of giving them away I pulled the lead to melt down and scrapped the brass.

mcdonl
February 26, 2011, 07:02 AM
No, they are out of town! I did it just so I could have a submission to the rimfire match... lol... AND, I did not follow the rules and shot 5 times each target so only my worst three shots count, and with a snow drift inside the front lenses of the scope and the wind in my face I had a hard time holding zero....

Have fun out there today! Let me know if you ever come down here on a weekend and we can hit the range.

22-rimfire
February 26, 2011, 08:01 AM
In your case, I would shoot CCI Standard Velocity ammo which is available at Dicks Sporting Goods at $24.99 per brick of 10 50-ct boxes. Sometimes you have to ask for it as in my local store they keep it tucked behind the other 22 ammo. It is good stuff and generally more reliable than Remington. Honestly, you should try both and see which one you like better.

Radium
February 26, 2011, 09:10 AM
i shoot federal bulk and cci blaser bulk. 38 euros for 1000 rounds is cheap.
i pau about 27-30 euros for 525 rounds.... so u should feel lucky that u get it so cheap.

hypervelocity for target wouldnt be recommended since they have poor accuracy. hypervelocity over all is just a waste of money in handguns imho.

i still have a few thousand rounds of winchester hypervelocity HP but i bhought them because i got them for the same price as bulk fed. but due to the large HP they have problems feeding in my mk3.

ive yet to have a jam or dud with cci blaser and ive shot alot of it.

DPris
February 26, 2011, 01:57 PM
I see these types of comments on the Remington rimfires, and they always make me wonder what I'm doing wrong.

I use the bulk Golden stuff, and periodically include the Target loads when I do rimfire testing with handguns & rifles.
I simply am not running into anything like these reported failure rates.

Most of what I use them in are new guns, which may make a difference.
My own are a Marlin, a Winchester 9422, a low-mileage Buckmark, and a high-mileage 1975 Ruger Single-Six.

It's quite rare to run into duds with any of those guns, with any of the Remington loads I run through them.

In the specific case of the Target load, though, I've never found it to be any more accurate in any gun than Remington's non-Target stuff.

Denis

Furncliff
February 27, 2011, 01:19 PM
"This looks very nice.
I think I will buy it.

Thanks.

BTW: What would be the largest
game you could hunt with that cartridge?"



Perhaps fox if closer than 100 Meters.

Deanimator
February 27, 2011, 03:41 PM
.22 Remmington ammo, even the match grade stuff, has a lot of duds.
I've been seeing the same thing for the better part of twenty years.

I NEVER buy Remington .22lr.

stork
March 2, 2011, 10:21 AM
Remington 22 ammo is excellent...If you're looking for ammo to use as ball and dummy practice. 30+ years ago it was very good. Today, not so much. I have not purchased any for nearly 10 years because of the % of duds.

I serve as a range officer at our local indoor range. If someone is having issues with their 22 not going off, the first thing I check is the brand of ammo. 90% of the time its Remington, and usually the bulk packs. While no manufacturer is immune from a bad lot from time to time, Remington seems to thrive on poor quality control when it comes to their 22 priming.

Remington's 22 problems are well known among Bullseye circles and everyone avoids them like the plague. I have a couple of cartons of Remington standard velocity that I know are over 20 years old that are the most accurate ammo I've found (1/2-3/4" @ 50 yards) in one of my target 22 pistols (I picked them up from a retiring Bullseye shooter). However I never use them except for slow fire because of the % of duds. They can't cut it when it comes to reliability, I have used 6-7 cases of CCI standard velocity in the last 11 years and have yet to have a dud. While it doesn't shoot quite as well as the old Remington (about 1" larger group at 50 yards) it goes off every time.

FWIW

DPris
March 2, 2011, 12:22 PM
Then I'm definitely doing something wrong. :)
Denis

22-rimfire
March 2, 2011, 01:11 PM
I still shoot a lot of Thunderbolts. Yeah, I have a few FTF's. I don't worry about it. The old Remington 22 ammo from Pre-1980 pretty much goes bang just about every time whether it be the cheapest or most expensive of their offerings. I would love to focus in just when Remington's QA/QC went down hill. People's comments are all over the place in terms of time or date. I generally never had an issue with any Remington 22 ammo prior to 1995 or there abouts, but I stopped buying for about 5 years as I had plenty cached and wasn't shooting much in the 1990's. Remington was in fact my preferred 22 ammo except when shooting my HS Victor that seemed to prefer copper washed ammo (less lube).

Calibre44
March 2, 2011, 05:01 PM
I've used quite a few brands of .22LR but have found these to be the best:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg230/woodsy_2008/Guns/misc005.jpg
Bullets are lubed as well

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