Fantastic Answer: Glenn to Metzenbaum


January 5, 2004, 09:21 AM
Below was sent to me by Blackwater Tactical and I just had to pass it on in case anyone missed it - thought it was worth repeating -

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange Between Senators John Glenn and Sen. Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive and impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the Armed Services do what they do for a living. This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the Military.

Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn:

"How can you run for Senate when you've never held a "real job?"

Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by antiaircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the Space Program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my Life on the line. It was not a nine to five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a Veterans Hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in the eye,and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember,and you watch those waving flags. You stand there,and you think about this Nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum, you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN - who held a REAL job. And they required a dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty - that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible.

I HAVE held a job, Howard! ---What about you?"
For those who don't remember - During WWII, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he is a Senator!

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Greg L
January 5, 2004, 10:28 AM

Coming up on the 30th anniversary of his comments :D (doesn't make them any less true though)

January 5, 2004, 12:47 PM
Oh, a democrat cat fight. I don't think either one did anything good for the State of Ohio, though.

But I did get to meet Senator Glenn when he was first running for office. He came to our house when he was going door to door and talked to my mom. He stooped dowm to shake my hand (I was a little tyke then). I thought it was so great to shake the hand of a real astronaut

January 5, 2004, 06:14 PM
They were both stinkin' gun grabbers but at least I can respect Glenn for his service. Howard Metenbaum is reported to have gotten himself a deferment during WW2 so he could be an attorney at a reputed communist school.

Some of the sharper readers here may note that I qualified my comments about Howard. This is because I merely saw the above information in print and have no citable source for it. I would like to believe that it is true,but can't prove it.

Don in Ohio

January 5, 2004, 06:18 PM
what strikes me as implausible is that both were senators from the same state and their terms overlapped...what's the point of a question that would make sense only in the context of an electoral debate...

Bill Hook
January 5, 2004, 07:41 PM
Glenn was a better jet jockey and astronaut than a pol. Wesley Clark is a pale shadow of Glenn, with less integrity, and that is NOT a good thing.

January 5, 2004, 11:19 PM
My sincere thanks to John Glenn for his service to his country, both in the military and the space programs.

However, I cannot ever forgive him for his actions in the senate. Senator Glenn used his reputation and political connections to run out the clock on the Thompson committee hearings over the Clinton/Gore 1996 campaign finance "irregularities." Senator Glenn used every obscure rule in the senate rules book to stall the investigations of donations to Clinton by the Lippo Group, James Riady, John Juang, Charlie Tries, and ChiCom generals. He sold his damned soul for the thrill of one last ride in space.

Hero? You decide.

January 6, 2004, 12:47 AM
And Arizona is saddled with John (Gunshow-Loophole) McCain.

What does the military do to these people?


January 6, 2004, 04:39 AM
That man's entire life is meaningless if he supported communism.

How an American man enlisted in the United States Armed Forces could dream of supporting communism is beyond my comprehension...

January 6, 2004, 11:34 AM
I had been looking for a way to put it diplomatically, but Monkeyleg did well in getting right to the point in regards to John Glenn and his actions during the various Senate hearings on the Clinton/Gore campaign contributions. It was a real disappointment to see someone that I looked up to reveal that he could be co-opted. I can't look at him in the same way that I did previously.



January 6, 2004, 10:33 PM
I think that part of the reason that former military officer types lean left is BECAUSE of the military.

It's kind of odd, but the military is a lot closer to a socialist organization than most people would like to admit. Officers are required to control the enlisted men in thier command. They tell them what they must do and what they can't/aren't allowed to do.

After a career of this, they enter politics and see themselves as leaders of the country and thier life experiance is to keep firm control of thier "underlings". Does this sound like the Democrat party line to you?

As a result, I don't consider a military career, even one that was outstanding, to be a automatic plus for a polititian.

Don in Ohio

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