rossi m851 .38 special. question.


February 26, 2011, 05:42 PM
have one of these that the wife can handle pretty easily. all stainless real tight lockup but i read that you cant shoot +p or jacketed ammo in it.anybody heard that,well seeing that i just bought reminton/umc 130 grain full copper jacket at walmart for 14.00 a 50 will it be ok for us to practise with.or take it back and get lead tip.thanks.

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February 26, 2011, 11:16 PM
Those will work fine. Good practice ammo. As far as a defense round- I wouldn't want to take a hit from one.

February 27, 2011, 07:00 AM
thanks for answering.good day to ya.

February 27, 2011, 07:24 PM
If you need a excellent round for defense that is a lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint then Federal Nyclad 125gr. standard pressure is the way to go.

FMJ rounds create ice-pick wounds that create little disruption of the flesh, muscle, blood vessels, or to organs.

The Nyclad round has an excellent track record and will have about or a bit less recoil than the 132gr. FMJ rounds.

There is nothing wrong with shooting lead or jacketed rounds through the Rossi 851.

Here's some other data on that. MODEL R85104 .38 SPECIAL + P 6-SHOT

That's from the site.

Click on the Rossi PDF link and that will take you to a copy of the revolver manual that you can download for free.

Here's some links about the 851 that might prove interesting or helpful.

If you need a source of Rossi info you can use
as a source of information.

I own a Rossi 462 snub revolver, six shot at that,but use +P or standard pressure .38 Special rounds in it.

The 851 has a good record going for it.

I'd of bought one but the Taurus revolvers I have fill the bill and were more available than the Rossi was.

February 27, 2011, 09:49 PM
it is an older interarms model but doesnt seem to have but a few hundred rounds through wouldnt take the ammo back ,new atf rules,wouldnt let me exchange,today anyway so im gonna shoot it.and find me some wadcutters and hollowpoints.thanks for the info.

February 28, 2011, 12:18 PM
Glad to be of some assistance.

There are plenty of Rossi snub and full size revolvers that have had +P rounds used in them. Usually limited use and no ill effects were observed. Limited or no use might be the way to go like you seem to be doing.

Buffalo Bore makes this.

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Any of the 110gr. round made by any of the makers would work as well.

March 1, 2011, 03:08 AM
Just bought a Rossi 851 a month ago. Manufacturer states that standard and +P rounds are suitable. I'll be comparing the two as soon as i get the chance

March 1, 2011, 03:20 AM
broken_ I sort of collect S&W's, but I carry a Rossi. I have had 2 Rossi revolvers over the last 15 years, and both were excellent shooters, solid, well made and very accurate.

I would recommend any good quality hollow point +P round-I am using Remington 125grain JHP's in my Rossi, and take 2 speed loaders of reloads along.


March 1, 2011, 04:54 PM
thanks for the input,i was wanting a .357 but i think this .38 will do for now,my wife can probably control this little frame rossi better,im gonna find out .

March 1, 2011, 11:57 PM
I have one of the old Rossi 88s. It's a very nice gun.

Old Ranger
March 2, 2011, 05:47 PM
Just a little comment on the WEREGUNNER "FMJ ice pick holes" thing. I see this kind of thing a lot. I don't know where it comes from, but I know for a fact that full metal jacketed bullets wound and kill with high efficiency. No military weapon I ever carried or used was loaded with anything else. Some yaw and break up, some drive in and change direction, some rip through - - - leaving a small entrance hole and a much bigger exit hole; but they ARE lethal.

The biggest danger in a self defense situation is the fact that they often DO over penetrate and could injure someone else.

By the way, only 1% of fatal shootings in this country are self defense. The rest???:uhoh:

March 4, 2011, 02:57 PM
The statements come from Mas Ayoob, Martin Fackler, Sanow and Marshall, and patholigists who have documented this kind of thing in the actual real world.

These come from autopsies and actual thousands of documented cases from over three of rour decades.
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Re: .40 or 9mm
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Don't make me go and do it folks. That's find all the data on .40 S&W and 9mm.loads that are in the archives.

Whether you carry a 9mm. or .40 S&W, one is well protected regardless of the caliber or bullet weight. (135gr.-180gr. for the .40 S&W; 115gr.-147gr new generation rounds for the 9mm.)

I lean towards the 9mm as a personal choice and have no fears about being well protected. You larger than .35 or .38 caliber folks are well served by your choices as well.

All handgun rounds are puny in power compared to longarm or crew served weapons. Even those are not a one shot stop wonder either. History proves that. Fanatical, major adrenalin dump, man on a mission, on drugs type people can be bullet sponges, take a,or many non-survivable wounds and still kill or cause grave harm before expiring or stopping such violent action.

Fuzzy Wuzzies, Whirling Dervishes, Zulu warriors,hard core druggies/criminals have not been impressed by multiple hits, massed gunfire of any kind, and have gone on to take their adversaries with them or maim others before succumbing. Fanatical terrorists can be included in the above statements. Add to that the two gunmen of the Miami Massacre.

Many other documented examples abound.

We all carry or use handguns for convienence. Not for major stopping power. This is regardless of the caliber and load. It's come to my attention in the tactical and police journals about failures of even shotgun slugs or buckshot.

It's where you hit the target more than with what.

The 9x19,.40S&W, and 45ACP advocates are all well served by their chosen calibers in real documented gunfights. The real world track records are excellent to outstanding.

Even the sometimes maligned .38 Special is a decent pick. Won't go into all that here and won't get into the caliber wars either. I can bring the failure info to light for those who think " only the big calibers get done" crowd. These are real well documented cases.

Why go there when it's not needed.

So carry in confidence ladies and gents what you will. The newer generations of jacketed hollowpoints, EFMJ, and other types will get the job done. These were all designed for lower velocities expansion. Somewhere between 680 feet per second and 720 fps is the expansion for the new generations of JHP or EFMJ. This info is direct from the ammo makers themselves.

Most ot the newer generation JHPs have been with us for several decades now. Hydra-shok, Golden Saber, Gold Dot, Starfire,EXTP, are just some of the newer designed bullets that have excellent real world track records. Even the older Sierra JHPs and Winchester Silvertips will still get the job done. Even today.

Nuff' said.

The hollowpoint expands dynamically,gets enough penetration, yet does not have the recoil of the other rounds. These were recommended for snub nosed revolver carry for several decades. Mas Ayoob, Marshall& Sanow, and Chuck Karwan were some of the respected, been there and done that credentialed gun instructors. I've got several decades of books to back that up.

Never, never,ever, use ball,FMJ, or round nosed ammo for self protection.
That's for ethical and moral reasons.

Here's the scoop on that. There are links within the links tht need going through and explain all this. That includes how a bullet stops a fight.

Here's more data, mostly about big bullet versus little bullet and ethical/moral reasons for using JHP or hollowpoint ammo.

This is a compilation of some of the data that this
There are links within these links also.

There are links within the links that need going through that tell the whole story.

As for sources go:

Ed Lovette, Al Pickles, Chuck Karwan, Chuck Taylor, Jeff Cirillo, Massad Ayoob,David Spaulding, Skeeter Skelton, Bart Skelton, Shimek, Duane Thomas,Patrick Sweeney, Peter Kokalis,David M.Fortier, John Wilson. Dr. Topper, Sanow & Marshall.
I have Chuck Karwan and Mas Ayoob's Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery.

There are a host of other credentialed people who can also be brought forth, but you get the picture.

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