Taurus 28 gauge... any more news?


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mopar92
February 27, 2011, 11:32 AM
Not trying to make a debate, just wondered if they are making any other actions to get it legal? Thanks.!

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pikid89
February 27, 2011, 01:45 PM
last i heard was it was going to be legal

per the NRA

http://www.americanrifleman.org/blogs/quashing-raging-judge-rumors/

mopar92
February 27, 2011, 01:55 PM
I read that, just curious about MSRP, etc... love to get one just for the novelty of it...

msnden
March 2, 2011, 09:03 PM
I wondered about that also, I thought the barrel length of a shotgun had to be 18 1/4 inches to be legal. So I didn't think it would produced, Doc

oneounceload
March 2, 2011, 09:13 PM
Since 28 is over .50 caliber, and this is not a shotgun but a pistol, how is it going to be legal without a stamp?

mopar92
March 2, 2011, 09:37 PM
Well, the serbu is a 12 gauge.. Registered as aow... I've also heard that they are making changes to get it legal.. As for 18.5", it's actually 18", they build a buffer.

Dimis
March 3, 2011, 01:46 AM
I figured the 28 was just a gimmick for shot show
if it gets to the market ill buy one just for the fun factor

evan price
March 3, 2011, 02:31 AM
Bore is over .50" so it will be an AOW at least. It's always going to be LEGAL just needs more flaming hoops jumped through.

msnden
March 3, 2011, 08:32 AM
Well I sure hope it gets the "Green light" I think a short barreled 28ga would make a great home-defence weapon. msn

Sam1911
March 3, 2011, 08:53 AM
I wondered about that also, I thought the barrel length of a shotgun had to be 18 1/4 inches to be legal. So I didn't think it would produced, Doc It can't legally be a "shotgun" by definition because a shotgun has to be designed to be fired from the shoulder. (You can add a pistol-grip-only, but if it HAD a stock at some point, it's a shotgun.)

IF it was a smooth-bore handgun it would be an "Any Other Weapon," registered under Title II of the NFA. ($200 tax, transfer on a Form 4, CLEO signature, etc.)

If it is rifled, then it ISN'T an "AOW," but could be a "Large Bore Destructive Device" -- also a Title II regulated firearm.

Since 28 is over .50 caliber, and this is not a shotgun but a pistol, how is it going to be legal without a stamp?

OR, it could be deemed to be especially suited to sporting purposes and exempt -- like the .600 Nitro Express, or almost all shotguns. As there has never been any military 28 ga. use, I'm assuming that Taurus asked for and got this exemption ruling from the ATF.

msnden
March 3, 2011, 09:45 AM
It can't legally be a "shotgun" by definition because a shotgun has to be designed to be fired from the shoulder. (You can add a pistol-grip-only, but if it HAD a stock at some point, it's a shotgun.)

IF it was a smooth-bore handgun it would be an "Any Other Weapon," registered under Title II of the NFA. ($200 tax, transfer on a Form 4, CLEO signature, etc.)

If it is rifled, then it ISN'T an "AOW," but could be a "Large Bore Destructive Device" -- also a Title II regulated firearm.



OR, it could be deemed to be especially suited to sporting purposes and exempt -- like the .600 Nitro Express, or almost all shotguns. As there has never been any military 28 ga. use, I'm assuming that Taurus asked for and got this exemption ruling from the ATF.
Good points all, But not to worry, the Goverment will do what is right. msn

Jesse Heywood
March 3, 2011, 10:10 PM
Why does the bore have to be larger than .50? If it's lead shot it can be choked down. I don't know what it would do to the pattern, but things like that can be overcome.

dawei
March 3, 2011, 10:56 PM
Does anyone know if the barrel is smooth bore or rifled?

joneb
March 3, 2011, 11:01 PM
Taurus should make a 20 and 12 gauge wheel gun with a 18" smooth barrel threaded for choke tubes, and a folding stock.

1911Tuner
March 4, 2011, 05:56 AM
Bore is over .50" so it will be an AOW at least

Just my thoughts...

The most likely reason that the ATF is opposing it is because if it's given a pass, the ammo makers will probably bring a slug load to the table...which would break the .50 caliber barrier that makes everybody so nervous, 'cuz it could...like...you know...be used to shoot down airplanes and stuff. (Even though the ATF knows better.)

In all honesty, though...even though this is a politcal travesty...on a realistic level, it means little. The notion of a 4-pound, 16-inch handgun just ain't somethin' that would be real practical.

garyhan
March 4, 2011, 06:11 AM
The new Taurus is legal and it is not NFA. The barrel is choked down to .499, thus avoiding the destructive device issue.

gary

451 Detonics
March 4, 2011, 06:31 AM
Does anyone know if the barrel is smooth bore or rifled?

It has to be rifled or it would be a SBS. Of course they could makr the rifling slow enough not to be a problem, don't know if they could make it straight and still be considered rifling.

Sam1911
March 4, 2011, 07:22 AM
It has to be rifled or it would be a SBS. Of course they could makr the rifling slow enough not to be a problem, don't know if they could make it straight and still be considered rifling.

Again, this is NOT true. It has to be rifled, if a handgun, or it would be an AOW. It CANNOT be an SBS because the NFA definition includes the phrase, "designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder."

And, yes, the rifling can be almost anything the manufacturer wants to put in there (1:200 twist? Is that "straight?" :)), including very shallow.

Sam1911
March 4, 2011, 07:27 AM
The barrel is choked down to .499Is that so? I haven't seen anything on this so a source citation would be helpful.

FWIW, a 28 ga. barrel is .550". An EXTRA Full choke only brings that down 0.024" to 0.526".

So what would we call a choke that reduced a .550" bore 0.051" to 0.499"? More than twice the restriction of an extra full choke? Sounds like a very bad idea.

I think I'm going to have to call bullpucky on that until I see something in writing from Taurus.

Sam1911
March 4, 2011, 07:29 AM
The most likely reason that the ATF is opposing it I haven't seen anything credible saying that the ATF IS opposing it. In fact, the NRA posted a letter about it right after SHOT saying that the rumors to that effect were completely unfounded and that the ATF's new ruling on shotguns had to do with something else completely.

I think the simple answer is that Taurus asked for and received a sporting exemption and that's that.

1911Tuner
March 4, 2011, 01:44 PM
Sam...It was my understanding that the ATF wasn't looking favorably at giving it a pass.
'Course, I haven't been following it very closely, and word may have changed.

Sam1911
March 4, 2011, 02:36 PM
Here's the NRA/American Rifleman article on the issue from 1/26/11: http://www.americanrifleman.org/blogs/quashing-raging-judge-rumors/

The first line reads:The rumor mill has been grinding away since SHOT that the new 28-gauge Taurus Raging Judge has been declared a National Firearms Act item by the ATF and would not be coming out. As is often the case with rumors, this is not true according to American Rifleman Editor-in-Chief Mark Keefe. ...

I haven't heard anything further, in the last month or so to change that.

mopar92
March 6, 2011, 10:35 AM
Taurus was pretty rude when I called them. The first person I spoke to said they never had anything like that at the shot show. Called back, next man said " we are not going to build that revolver"

Dimis
March 9, 2011, 02:39 AM
I have a feeling this one will go the way of the Raging Bee and the Raging .223 that were both at shot shows and never manufactured

Taurus has been making odd firearms just for shot for a long time now
they make one as an attention getter and then never make any for public consumption

im still waiting to see the .223 revolver they had at i think SHOT 2003... just wanna see how they made it work

if they do manage to make the 28 ill get one just because i like my 410 judge so much

but i think this one should be called "The Jury"

and next year maybe we can have a 12Ga called The Exe... oh nevermind

mopar92
March 9, 2011, 08:26 AM
I like The Jury! Good call

mopar92
March 9, 2011, 10:04 PM
Wish they would shine light either way on this pistol..

Remo223
March 9, 2011, 10:13 PM
I'm not a fan of the 410 revolver but if they make the 28ga I'll buy just because it's so outlandish. How can you NOT buy something like that? It's just whacky. Anyone know if it's going to be a 5 shooter?

mopar92
March 9, 2011, 10:21 PM
My point, so outlandish its cool !!!

jbr
March 9, 2011, 10:23 PM
+1 for the Jury!

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