Transferring a long gun from state to state


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CZguy
March 2, 2011, 10:26 PM
Does anyone know the law about transferring a long gun from one state to another? I want to sell a rifle on Gun Broker, and know that it has to go thru a FFL. But my question is do I have to have my local FFL ship it to a FFL or can I do it?

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yeti
March 2, 2011, 10:30 PM
You can do it yourself provided the FFL you are shipping it to will accept it from a non FFL holder. They can accept it but a lot choose not to, so check with them first.

nalioth
March 2, 2011, 11:29 PM
Next time you run a gunbroker auction, make sure you put "I am a private citizen. If you bid on this auction, please make sure your receiving FFL is okay with receiving this item from me" or something like that in your boilerplate.

Not accepting shipments from private citizens is a business decision on some FFL's parts that I have yet to see a good reason for.

medalguy
March 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
I've been told by my ffl that it is because if it is received from a non-ffl, there is no absolute identification of the shipper, and in the event of a problem, the ffl cannot return it to the non-ffl shipper.

nalioth
March 2, 2011, 11:48 PM
I've been told by my ffl that it is because if it is received from a non-ffl, there is no absolute identification of the shipper, and in the event of a problem, the ffl cannot return it to the non-ffl shipper.I can't think of any problems at all where the dealer would be at risk.

FROGO207
March 3, 2011, 12:04 AM
^^^ For instance if the seller sells a stolen gun and then disappears with the funds and no real name or address to track him to. And this has never ever happened?? :scrutiny:YEAH SURE:banghead:

NavyLCDR
March 3, 2011, 12:16 AM
^^^ For instance if the seller sells a stolen gun and then disappears with the funds and no real name or address to track him to. And this has never ever happened?? YEAH SURE

Sounds like the buyer's problem to me, not the FFL's.

nalioth
March 3, 2011, 12:50 AM
^^^ For instance if the seller sells a stolen gun and then disappears with the funds and no real name or address to track him to. And this has never ever happened??Sounds like the buyer's problem to me, not the FFL's.Exactly.

Gromky
March 4, 2011, 04:35 AM
Sounds like the buyer's problem to me, not the FFL's.

Exactly.

And that has never made a businessman's life miserable. Every customer is reasonable, and local police always quickly determine blame and leave the innocent alone. Oh, and while they're checking out the complaint they won't examine every firearm you have. Just to be safe. No matter how much time it takes.

For the typical transfer fee, I can understand just ignoring the possible huge hassle if you deal with a non FFL shipper.

NavyLCDR
March 4, 2011, 10:15 AM
Makes me appreciate my almost local FFL a lot more. Receives guns from private parties no problems and transfers them to active duty service members for the huge price of a thank you.

Bubbles
March 4, 2011, 12:42 PM
I've been told by my ffl that it is because if it is received from a non-ffl, there is no absolute identification of the shipper, and in the event of a problem, the ffl cannot return it to the non-ffl shipper.
This is false. The reason the FFL can't return the rifle to the sender is that Federal law (GCA '68) prohibits it. The only time an FFL can ship or return a firearm to a non-licensee without going through NICS is when the FFL was given the firearm expressly for the purpose of repair/gunsmithing/etc.

Mike Sr.
March 4, 2011, 12:56 PM
MAKE THIS SIMPLE:


GUNBROKER HAS A LIST OF FFL'S THAT WILL HANDLE A TRANSFER IN THE BUYERS AREA...CHECK THE LIST!

NO MORE DIFFICULT than that!


1) Do not mark the packing box with any wording that might reveal contents: THIS IS BY FEDERAL LAW.

2 ) Suggest you use USPS.

NavyLCDR
March 4, 2011, 01:04 PM
1) Do not mark the packing box with any wording that might reveal contents: THIS IS BY FEDERAL LAW.

Not exactly. The actual Federal statute is:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

18 USC 922 (e):
(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.

It is illegal for the carrier to label the package. It is NOT illegal for the person shipping the gun to do so.

jimmyraythomason
March 4, 2011, 02:50 PM
It is illegal for the carrier to label the package. It is NOT illegal for the person shipping the gun to do so. It would NOT be a smart thing to do in any case.

dogtown tom
March 5, 2011, 11:21 AM
Nothing screams "STEAL ME!!!" like "firearm inside" written on the box.

Since the first of the year I've had two rifles delivered in the manufacturers box. A box with REMINGTON in giant green letters or WINCHESTER in giant red letters does not actually say the package contains a firearm, but I have serious questions regarding the mental competency of someone who would ship a firearm that way. (the Remington was shipped without insurance or signature required and was left on my doorstep)

mgkdrgn
March 5, 2011, 08:18 PM
... in the event of a problem, the ffl cannot return it to the non-ffl shipper.
100% Correct

And then there is the "who will pay for the return shipping" part ... but that is the same FFL shipped or not.

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