HK USP .40 Tactical: Rediculously Tactical (DUW)


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clubsoda22
January 5, 2004, 09:42 PM
So tactical it would make skunky blush:

Specs: HK USP 40 Tactical
-Meprolight night sights
-Threaded O-Ring barrel from Capital City Firearms
-Vortex Flash Supressor from CCFA
-Thread Protector from CCFA

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=706542

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clubsoda22
January 5, 2004, 09:45 PM
If I were staring down the barrel I'd piss myself.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=706552

The vortex not only reduces flash, but through a gyroscopic effect reduces muzzle flip and felt recoil significantly. Reports also indicate a significant increase in muzzle velocity and accuracy. It also looks badass.

Devonai
January 5, 2004, 09:46 PM
Nice. Are you a lefty or is it DAO? Have you tested the flash hider yet?

clubsoda22
January 5, 2004, 09:48 PM
I'm a lefty. I just got it in the mail today. Range report to come on wednesday....now, more pictures.

clubsoda22
January 5, 2004, 09:50 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=706569

The O-ring works as a barrel bushing to increase accuracy. It is also more resistant to the elements than 1911 style bushings.

clubsoda22
January 5, 2004, 09:53 PM
Left handed metric threads. (Just another beauty shot)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=706576

clubsoda22
January 5, 2004, 09:57 PM
Conventional rifiling yeilds tighter groups than polygonal rifling. The thread protector keeps the threads safe from damage.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=706582

Any questions? Range report Wednesday.

clubsoda22
January 5, 2004, 10:13 PM
It sings!

The prongs on the vortex sound like a light tap on a tuning fork when you rack the slide. Kinda sounds neat.

winstonsmith
January 5, 2004, 11:24 PM
Oh MAN! That's a sweet looking gun. I can't wait for the range report. I think you might just have sold me on USPs in general. And it even sings too? :neener: :D

Sactown
January 5, 2004, 11:40 PM
No flash supressors on pistols in Kali, not to mention threaded barrels. Nice though.

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 12:50 AM
CCFA does make a standard legnth O-ring barrel for Californians. It just doesn't look as cool :D

Sactown
January 6, 2004, 01:02 AM
yeah, i looked at those awhile ago, but it just ain't right without the vortex surpressor.

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 01:06 AM
True, the O-Ring barrel by itself is neat, but with the threads and vortex, it's badass.

Skunkabilly
January 6, 2004, 01:22 AM
Hot dog, that baby has tacticality oozing out of its slide rails!!

natedog
January 6, 2004, 02:44 AM
Is that the same pistol you got from CDNN? That's badass! You need a UTL though!!

mrapathy2000
January 6, 2004, 06:30 AM
get the GG&G rail adapter

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 11:51 AM
I'll have to wait for my B-day to get lights and such. A UTL or similar is the next mod. I blew all the hanukkah money on the barrel/flash supressor combo.

Yes, that is an CDNN police trade in. Looks pretty good for a 11 year old police gun, huh?

Can someone link me up to a GG&G rail adapter for the HK. I like the M3 better than the UTL and it's much less expensive if you look around.

DragonRider
January 6, 2004, 11:56 AM
Looks real good! I have the Flash Suppressor for my Tactical and love it. After I get my USPF 40 in Stainless, I plan to do my HE model the same as you have.

John

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 12:11 PM
If you want a USP40F in stainless, grab one from CDNN. They are immaculate, just look at mine. They're from the same lot. They are the original models from 1993, but they have the upgraded triggers. The barrels are not polygonal (that happened in 94, but who cares if you're swapping them?)

krept
January 6, 2004, 01:11 PM
Had a CCFA barrel/Vortex suppressor setup for my USP .45. Man, I loved that combo. Great groups, awesome flash reduction, etc. Sold it because I was all but certain I was moving to CA... now I want it back.

cheers

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 01:25 PM
man, i can't wait to play around with this thing wednesday.

By the way, if anyone orders from CCFA, order by phone. The guy is really polite and knoledgable. He doesn't rush you or BS and explains the features of his product well. Model businessman.

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 07:25 PM
all my gun buddies have been stopping over and drooling. :D

Can't wait to shoot this tomorrow. I'm leaving for the range at 12:30. Should have the report up before dinner.

BTW: Final cost for everything you see including all accessories (fobus holster/double mag holder, night sights, 3 high caps) is just under $1000. I'm including shipping charges in that figure. Still far cheaper than a USP tactical with night sights, 3 high caps and a holster.

DragonRider
January 6, 2004, 07:30 PM
Ditto my experience of ClubSoda with CCFA. No, I'm going to keep my local dealer happy and purchase a NIB, its going to match my USPC Stainless that I alreadycarry, I prefer the stainless for carry.

If it was going to be a range pistol, yeah, I would get it from CDNN.

John

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 07:33 PM
true, if you want a show piece, buy new. There's a tiny bit of holster wear on my gun, but i think it just builds character for a self defence gun.

Skunkabilly
January 6, 2004, 07:37 PM
You need this.

http://www.sidearmor.com/images/HKRail/PICT0298.jpg

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 07:38 PM
Skunky, I took a look at my holster and i found that it would interfere with holstering. I hope to find a UTL at a good price.

10-Ring
January 6, 2004, 07:44 PM
Very nice :cool: i wish I could bet something w/ a threaded barrel...or maybe just a threaded barrel for my Expert!
Congrats dude!

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 07:54 PM
Hey, is $150 a good price for a new UTL?

10-Ring
January 6, 2004, 07:59 PM
Yes, that's a good price! ;)

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 08:01 PM
How good of a price? "Better than average" or "holy crap! eat that up!"

10-Ring
January 6, 2004, 08:06 PM
I haven't priced them for over a year, so I couldn't say exactly. But it is better than average from what I recall.

Boats
January 6, 2004, 08:30 PM
It's a hot night. The mind races. A 17 hour flight to La Paz etched in red traces on my eyeballs. I had packed my HK USP .40S&W with its captured recoil buffer system and Peters Stahlish lock up. . . .

Oh nevermind, we've been over this topic before.:evil:

Get a SIG already.:D

TechBrute
January 6, 2004, 09:15 PM
The vortex not only reduces flash, but through a gyroscopic effect reduces muzzle flip and felt recoil significantly. Gyroscopic? Does it spin?:confused:

Waste of Money
January 6, 2004, 09:21 PM
Very nice!

Bet it whips up potatoes real smooth too! :scrutiny:

Love to see a range report.

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 09:25 PM
Get a SIG already.

A sig is on my list, but before that i need
1) a revolver (thinking taurus tracker .357)
2) a rifle (thinking arsenal SAM-7)
3) either a sig 220 or a small 9mm (like an XD9 subcompact), depends if i have my CWP by then.

clubsoda22
January 7, 2004, 04:23 AM
Gyroscopic? Does it spin?

this is what they call it at ccfa " What is causing the muzzle taming is 1) the weight and moment (leverage) arm of the flash suppressor and the forces of the gases exiting having a "gyroscopic" effect on the muzzle - i.e., making it want to resist any change in position same as a gyro does."

TechBrute
January 7, 2004, 01:38 PM
At the risk of offending the proud new owner, it sounds like a lot of "marketing" to me. Looks pretty cool, though.

You can get a Surefire X200 to fit that. It ought to be pretty cool.

Correia
January 7, 2004, 01:49 PM
No offense intended, but unless you are handloading super duper muzzle blast ammo, you really don't get that much flash with regular loads. Not nearly enough to blind you or really even have much effect on your shooting. I've been to night shoots where we had everybody test their various carry ammo, so you would get to see the flash from 20-30 different loads. Only a few were bad enough to cause any sort of vision problem.

I shot in 2 night matches last year. Took 1st in one, 2nd in the other. My load was using good old Winchester 231 and it barely produced an orange glow out of a 5 inch barrel. I burned through a couple hundred rounds and the only vision problems I had was from using a flash light to write on the score sheets. I think flash problems from handguns are drastically overstated.

George Hill
January 7, 2004, 01:51 PM
Waaayyy too tactical for me.
This is driving me to a GI 1911A1.

MrFreeze
January 7, 2004, 04:12 PM
I'm intrigued with this CDNN thing. How do you get ahold of the CDNN gun catalog? Do you have to call them to get an idea of what they have in stock, or can they send you one via mail?

Travis

clubsoda22
January 7, 2004, 04:15 PM
At the risk of offending the proud new owner, it sounds like a lot of "marketing" to me. Looks pretty cool, though.

So, the other guys that have posted here that say they have similar setups are just spouting BS? Flash reduction is not its major advantage. An increase in accuracy, decrease in muzzle flip and increase in velocity have been noted. Vortex flash supressors on rifles do all of these things. Basically, this is a cool looking muzzle break.

Waaayyy too tactical for me. This is driving me to a GI 1911A1

If it makes you feel any better, my other two guns are a Taurus PT92 in bright stainless and a bersa thunder. Not very tactical if you ask me. I just decided to overdo it this time. I also learned to shoot on a 1911 which i love very much.

clubsoda22
January 7, 2004, 04:30 PM
Time for the ranger report:

Targetmaster in Chadds Ford, PA was closed for repair because their rangemaster doesn't watch the people who are shooting and those arab looking fellows who rented the MP5 shot up the roof. So I went with my buddy Jeff to French Creek Outfitters in Pheonixville, PA

French Creek Outfitters can suck it. We show up to shoot, I had shot there before with my uncle, but Jeff hadn't so he filled out the proper forms and we handed the guy behind the counter our drivers licences. At that point i was stopped by the guy who said, "You can't shoot handguns here because you're under 21 and are not with a parent." He told me it didn't matter that Jeff was 21 (not that Jeff even had to be there to make it perfectly legal). I informed them that it wasn't against the law and whipped out my letter from the Attorney General of PA confirming such. He didn't look happy and called the owner. The owner breezed over the letter and said, "sorry, but it's our policy." I politely asked what kind of policy prevents law abiding gun owners from shooting their legally purchaced guns? It sounded like a bad business policy to me. He mumbled something about his insurance company and asked us to leave. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with his insurance company or if he just said it to save face, but regardless, French Creek Outfitters and their insurance company can go screw themselves. If they want to discriminate against me due to my age, I'll take my business elsewhere and i suggest anyone in the area do so as well.

The range report will come this weekend when i can get to the range with my dad.

clubsoda22
January 7, 2004, 08:12 PM
Mr Freeze, click here and wait for it to download. It's slightly over 12 megs, so i hope you have broadband or a lot of time on your hands.

CDNN Investments Catalouge (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/lib/cdnn/CDNN2003-5.pdf)

TechBrute
January 7, 2004, 08:35 PM
So, the other guys that have posted here that say they have similar setups are just spouting BS? Oh, sorry. I was foolishly relying on that whole "law of physics" thing.

Flash reduction is not its major advantage. An increase in accuracy, decrease in muzzle flip and increase in velocity have been noted. Vortex flash supressors on rifles do all of these things. Yes, muzzle flip will decrease when you hang an additional 2 inches of slotted barrel off the front of your gun. Also, the pressure is increased by the increased length, therefore increasing the velocity. Comparing the Vortex brake on a rifle to the one on your pistol is like trying to compare the cargo area of a Honda hatchback with the trailer of an 18-wheeler. The pressures are quite a bit different.

I still can't figure out how it's "gyroscopic."

Basically, this is a cool looking muzzle break. Of course that's needed to control the unbelievable power of the .40S&W round.

Aside from looking "cool," how is this tactical? Tactical is practical, and that thing doesn't look very practical to me.

Skunkabilly
January 8, 2004, 12:51 AM
TechBrute, it's gyroscopic because it's so tactical, it makes my Pro-Tec hockey helmet spin :D

clubsoda22
January 8, 2004, 01:19 AM
and that thing doesn't look very practical to me.

So...the increase in accuracy and controlability isn't practical? Interesting reasoning :rolleyes:

I don't know what your deal is or why you're trying to flame me, maybe you're one of those guys who thinks if it's not a (1911, Sig, revolver with blued steel and walnut grips, etc) it's not worth your consideration. If so, start your own thread about how "plastic guns are stupid" or whatever your beef is. Better yet, learn to appreciate all guns. I have black ones, shiny ones, metal ones, plastic ones, politically correct ones, "evil" ones...Anyway, i don't need your bad attitude and nitpicking.

I'm not an engineering major, i'm a nursing major and am probably more qualified to tell you about what happens when a bullet hits versus what launches a bullet, so the best argument i can make is that I'm satifsied with the setup and others are satisfied with their similar setups.

Fine, i don't know what it does, but it does something that yeilds tighter groups and less recoil, and i frankly don't care exactly what that is. Perhaps your next suggestion would be for me to spend millions on a research lab and a dozen mad scientists to justify this $75 piece of metal to you? Gimme a break.

Kestrel
January 8, 2004, 03:15 AM
Nope, it's not practical.




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clubsoda22
January 8, 2004, 03:18 AM
Yet another SANE gun owner not even considering voting for the retarded socialist democratic candidate...

Yet another person who probably has more of a problem with me than my pistol. What's next, people calling me anti-gun for not bein a single issue voter?

Amazing, the addition of an ounce of metal makes a completely practical pistol impractical, even if it improves performance.

The gun is completely practical in every aspect. It is light, accurate, reliable and puts bullets downrange.

harrydog
January 8, 2004, 07:21 AM
Quote:
"The gun is completely practical in every aspect. It is light, accurate, reliable and puts bullets downrange."


With that suppressor hanging off the end, it's not very practical for a carry weapon though.
I used to own a USP45 Tactical and I had a CDNN flash suppressor for it. It really did make a noticeable difference in muzzle flip. For Range use it's a fun thing to have but if I were going to take my gun into harm's way, I'd leave the vortex flash suppressor at home.

TechBrute
January 8, 2004, 09:00 AM
So...the increase in accuracy and controlability isn't practical? Interesting reasoning Not at the expense of being able to carry it as easily. HK pistols are already a little on the large size, and now you're making it 2" longer. If an increase in accuracy and controlability is all you're looking for, buy a Beretta Storm in .40. The muzzle break in question just seems like too much of a compromise for the very limited returns you may get (some of which may or may not be purely psychological).

I don't know what your deal is or why you're trying to flame me, . Where did I flame you? Just because I don't care for your latest toy doesn't mean I attacked you personally. Just relax.:D You don't need to justify your purchases to me.

Anyway, i don't need your bad attitude and nitpicking. See, now THAT is a personal attack. Just because I don't like your latest thing, doesn't mean I have a bad attitude.

maybe you're one of those guys who thinks if it's not a (1911, Sig, revolver with blued steel and walnut grips, etc) it's not worth your consideration. If so, start your own thread about how "plastic guns are stupid" or whatever your beef is. Better yet, learn to appreciate all guns. You've obviously never seen my collection. :D

the best argument i can make is that I'm satifsied with the setup and others are satisfied with their similar setups. As long as you're happy that's all that really matters. This is an open forum for people to say what they think, even if they don't agree with you (so long as they don't turn it into a personal attack.)

One more thing about the whole "gyroscopic" issue... if it was really using "the forces of the gases exiting having a "gyroscopic" effect on the muzzle - i.e., making it want to resist any change in position same as a gyro does." or whatever, it still isn't valid. In their little imaginary gyroscopic world, the imaginary gyroscope is spinning around the axis of the barrel, correct? Therefore the muzzle flip is driving the gun upward, perpendicular to the axis of the "gyro." A gyroscope has no effect on movement perpendicular to it's axis, outside of newton's first law. It only has effect on twisting motions. I'm just saying that whoever made that has a pretty creative "marketing" department.

Skunkabilly
January 8, 2004, 10:30 AM
clubsoda22
>> maybe you're one of those guys who thinks if it's not a (1911, Sig, revolver with blued steel and walnut grips, etc) it's not worth your consideration. If so, start your own thread about how "plastic guns are stupid" or whatever your beef is. Better yet, learn to appreciate all guns. <<

Techbrute carries a Glock. ;) In a manpurse :D

But seriously guys, if he likes it and shoots it more, who cares what it looks like?

clubsoda22
January 8, 2004, 01:52 PM
With that suppressor hanging off the end, it's not very practical for a carry weapon though.

Being 18, all my guns are for the range or home defence. Also, an HK USPf is a little on the big size for concealed carry. Would you have packed your .45 tactical? It's not heavy, but would certainly be very noticable under a shirt.

From now on, maybe you could all treat this as you would an IPSC competitors gun? Not saying that it's ready to compete in nationals, but It's built for a purpose: accuracy, quick folow ups and looking neat. It's a competition gun. I never advertised it as "the ultimate carry gun" or anything of the sort.

Skunky has the right attitude here. It's a neat looking toy.

If an increase in accuracy and controlability is all you're looking for...

No, not at all. I think skunky coined the term "tacticality"...that's really what i was going for. It looks neat and does its job. I have a bersa for when the government finally deems me eligable to pack heat, if you thought i was gonna carry the HK in any of its incarnations.....

One more thing about the whole "gyroscopic" issue...

Once again, i'm no engineer. I don't care how something works as long as it does. Example:

It really did make a noticeable difference in muzzle flip.

Yes, clever marketing, the physics of it are probably very hard to understand so he compared it to something so regular people know what he's talking about. I don't care, because it does exactly what it is advertised to do.

Kestrel
January 8, 2004, 02:07 PM
There's really nothing wrong with liking something like that. No, it's not a carry piece, but there's nothing wrong with having a gun for fun, home defense, range, etc. I just meant it's not practical for carry. Every gun doesn't have to be practical for carry, though. No offense.





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clubsoda22
January 8, 2004, 02:22 PM
Exactly steve. That makes sence. A desert eagle may be completely impractical for a lot of things, but a lot of people buy them for the fun factor. My gun may not be practical for carry, but who cares how big a home defence gun is? Once I put the UTL on, it will be an excellent home defence piece.

If i got a carry piece like a glock 26, I wouldn't be adding a threaded barrel and flash supressor or some huge muzzle break to it for recoil reduction as the main purpuse of the gun is to slide in my belt and disappear. If i wanted to reduce felt recoil for faster follow ups i'd do something like a double captive recoil spring (tested thoroughly of course). Something that doesn't stick out of the gun or get in the way. I have something like that on my taurus and i find that it works well.

As far as the HK goes, this is not a gun you'd be tucking inside your waistband. It's gonna be big and scarry looking, and chuck lots of lead very fast and very accurately. For a gun that never leaves the home except to turn heads at the range, it's an excellent choice...and at least it's more practical than a desert eagle :D

Skunkabilly
January 8, 2004, 03:14 PM
Clubsoda, coupla things:

>> From now on, maybe you could all treat this as you would an IPSC competitors gun? <<

You could probably get away with shooting it in limited 10. I don't know how USPSA treats flash suppressors, but if you call it a 'muzzle brake' (aka compensator) you may get thrown in the Open division. That means you have a 10-rd combat gun going up against guys with .38 super compensated & scoped raceguns...and 30 rd magazines :D To get a quicker draw you may consider a dropped and offset holster with a speedcut, so the flashsuppressor clears the leather quicker.

>> I think skunky coined the term "tacticality"...that's really what i was going for. <<

That also involves a makeover. Khaki RR pants and black Oakley boots are color of the day. T-shirts with flames and skulls :D

>> My gun may not be practical for carry <<

Says who? With the right body type, pants, belt, holster and cover garment, you'll be surprised what you can carry. The muzzle brake may make it look like you have a dry-erase marker in your back pocket though. If you look hard enough, you can find something that will work for you. :)

, but who cares how big a home defence gun is? Once I put the UTL on, it will be an excellent home defence piece.

>> If i wanted to reduce felt recoil for faster follow ups i'd do something like a double captive recoil spring (tested thoroughly of course). Something that doesn't stick out of the gun or get in the way. <<

Doesn't the USP have that? :confused: (not a gun plumber) Also, post pics of your shooting grip and stance maybe we can help you :)

clubsoda22
January 8, 2004, 04:21 PM
USP's have it fron the factory, the one in my taurus is aftermarket.

When i said treat it like you would an IPSC competators gun, i didn't mean it's a gun you would do that with. I meant treat it like a gun that was modified outside the realm of normal for a purpose.

As far as my shooting grip and stance, with my friends factory glock 19 i could put 4 shots per second accurately in the kill zone of a shilouette at 10 yards. With less recoil, i can do it even more accurately. I am quite a good at combat shooting and i'm not building the gun to gt around thins like practicing. I know how to control recoil, but obviously can shoot faster and more accurately with less recoil.

natedog
January 8, 2004, 05:40 PM
I don't know what your deal is or why you're trying to flame me, . Where did I flame you? Just because I don't care for your latest toy doesn't mean I attacked you personally. Just relax. You don't need to justify your purchases to me.

Just as you don't need to comment on his purchases if you don't like them.

TechBrute
January 8, 2004, 05:48 PM
My mistake, I thought this was a discussion forum.;) :D

BlkHawk73
January 8, 2004, 05:59 PM
I just don't understand the logic here. The Tactical model is simply a USP with different sights, different bbl, different trigger. These upgrades cost the buyer a couple hundred dollars more than the basic USP. Yet you buy the Tactical model and replace the o-ring bbl with another o-ring bbl and replace the sights. More $ spent. Why not buy the less expensive USP and add these extras? You'd still have the same thing with the exception of the target trigger which can be changed by HK for a small fee (but less than what a bbl and sights cost) Maybe I go more for practical usefullness rather than badd-assness. :scrutiny: Or is it praticallity rather than tacticality:scrutiny:
No offence intended, It's a great firearm - I just don't get this "tactical" obsession sometimes.

Kaxter
January 8, 2004, 06:23 PM
What I really cant stand is when people rain on others parades. People can see that Club2 is excited about his new purchase, yet they still voice their "opinions" in an extremely negative way and then force him to engage in a conversation where he has to prove the worthiness of his new gun, very lame people indeed.

I like the gun by the way, very neat.

tcdrennen
January 8, 2004, 06:34 PM
Hey, clubsoda -

Not to hijack the thread (though it seems to be wandering off all by its lonesome anyway :rolleyes: ) but if you're midway between Chadd's Ford and Phoenixville, you gotta be somewhere around West Chester or Downingtown, yes?

I lived in Chester Springs growing up ('62 - '73 when I went off to boot camp); we used to go pheasant/rabbit/squirrel hunting by walking about 1/2 mile to the nearest corn field and/or woods, for deer we had to go maybe a mile further. I don't believe I ever shot at an indoor range there (though there was an archery place on US 30 in Exton I used to hang out in sometimes in bad weather :cool: )

French Creek and Birchrunville were great hiking/camping/hunting areas back then; some of the older guys had worked at the French Creek quarry when it was still open.

I know from reports the area has changed a lot - more suburban now (which was starting before I left) but am curious if all the open fields and woods are gone.

Oh, BTW - I like your pistol, though my Original USP45 is still stock, hex barrel and all. Enjoy!

And I'll not question your Deanophilia - young uns are entitled to passionate politics even when it's misplaced. Heck, when I was 13 or 14 I was rather enamored of the Communist Manifesto until I discovered Ayn Rand, then grew out of Objectivism into a small-'l' libertarian by my mid-20s. And in Chester County PA (like Orange County CA today :D ) preferring Socialists and/or Demoncrats over Repugnicans has always been a way to Buck The Establishment. :evil:

BlkHawk73
January 8, 2004, 06:41 PM
Kaxter,

"Rain on another's parade" and "voice their "opinions" in an extremely negative way" are words you wrote that I'm guessing were in response to my post.

Hold that thought.

Clicking on your homepage link in your profile brings up a page where the heading reads "Vilification discussion Forums - Speak Your *ucking Mind".

Hypocricy? :banghead:

I too would be happy with that purchase as I'm sure Clubsoda22 is and deservably should be. As I said before, it's a great firearm. I was mearly stating my thoughts & opinions & questions. Guess I'm not allowed to do that here huh? All for one right but not for others? Hypocricy?

Skunkabilly
January 8, 2004, 06:43 PM
>> I just don't understand the logic here. The Tactical model is simply a USP with different sights, different bbl, different trigger. These upgrades cost the buyer a couple hundred dollars more than the basic USP. Yet you buy the Tactical model and replace the o-ring bbl with another o-ring bbl and replace the sights. More $ spent. Why not buy the less expensive USP and add these extras? <<

AFAIK, there is no 40. There is the USP Tactical which is a 45, and the USP 9-SD (or something like that) which has the threaded barrel--but no such beast in 40.

Kaxter
January 8, 2004, 07:45 PM
Lol, if you would have burrowed just a touch further into my site...(as I'm sure you didn't when you gleefully read the title of my site), you would know that it was created for people to vent when they got fired from their jobs after years of diligent service like I was...and I'm STILL bitter by the way). It all becomes clear now doesn't it?

Now that we have that little bit of info settled, we shall move on to the point of my original post.

As I am sure you read the introductory title of my post, you will see that what I couldn't stand was when people go out of their way to make others feel like they have blown their money so they they themselves will feel good about their most recent purchase. If you need this kind of validation its more than fine with me.

And by now you might be getting the point of this whole conversation. I brought you out, picked apart your post, and disagreed with you for the sole purpose of making you look inferior to others...the exact thing you did to someone else...and you took the bait with a mighty gusto if I do say so myself. I'm not saying that I am better than anyone, as I am sure many people don't like me due to my opinionated sarcastic cynical manner, but thats the whole glory of webforum now isn't it? Oh the irony of it all.:evil:

TechBrute
January 8, 2004, 08:46 PM
Y'all play nice now. CS22's USP: fair game. Petty bickering: thread hijack. :D

What I really cant stand is when people rain on others parades. That's ok, you don't have to like it. By posting on this forums you open yourself to other people's praise and criticism. I own a Glock (well, more than one, really). By posting that, I open myself up to everyone who thinks that they are plastic, KaBooming pieces of crap. I own a few ARs. Talk about starting a flamefest.

If you don't like criticism, stay away from the internet.

harrydog
January 9, 2004, 07:58 AM
harrydog said:
"With that suppressor hanging off the end, it's not very practical for a carry weapon though."

clubsoda said:
"Being 18, all my guns are for the range or home defence. Also, an HK USPf is a little on the big size for concealed carry. Would you have packed your .45 tactical? It's not heavy, but would certainly be very noticable under a shirt."

Of course. I only pointed this out because you had said the gun was "completely practical in every aspect." It's not.




Kaxter said:
"What I really cant stand is when people rain on others parades. People can see that Club2 is excited about his new purchase, yet they still voice their "opinions" in an extremely negative way and then force him to engage in a conversation where he has to prove the worthiness of his new gun, very lame people indeed.
I like the gun by the way, very neat."


I think it's a neat gun too, but if all he was looking for was to be smothered with compliments on the gun, he should have posted this over at the HK-Pro forum. :rolleyes:

clubsoda22
January 9, 2004, 06:05 PM
Why not buy the less expensive USP and add these extras?

That's exactly what i did.

as to my location, i'm near ardmore at home and in Chester at school.

rayjay
January 11, 2004, 01:16 AM
Here's a pic of my USP 40 and Don Hume H721 OT. I like it just the way it is. The only change I made to it was installing Mepro adj. nite sites. Recoil is light for me even though it fires the 40 Slappy & Wesson:D

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