Taurus PT 92 9mm...Convince me!


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RonGoode
January 6, 2004, 10:51 AM
I've have my Taurus 9mm for a long time and it's been a perfect gun. In the last year or two I've become a 1911 fan and a big fan of the .45 acp. Now I feel like the Taurus is too small a caliber (9mm) in too large of a gun. I have 2 15 round magazines and 1 30 round magazine. The gun has been flawless yet I never carry it and just consider the gun "less than" because of the cailber. Can anyone here point out the error of my thinking? Thanks.

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Majic
January 6, 2004, 11:01 AM
It's just a different caliber on a different platform. It offers advantages while in the same time disadvantages. Everything in life is a trade off.
I have many handguns I don't carry, but that doesn't make them any less wanted by me.

Snowdog
January 6, 2004, 11:03 AM
There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with the 9x19. Perhaps some negative vibes trickled down from the previous generation 147gr JHPs that failed to expand, or those that like to compare hardball to hardball (.45acp vs 9mm).

I am a diehard 1911 fan and always will be, but that doesn't dim my view for the 9mm any. A 9mm is nothing a thug will brush off. Take Winchester's 127gr +P+ Ranger for example... gobs of energy, plenty of performance and quite accurate. When paired with a pistol of a 15 round capacity, how much more could someone possibly want from a handgun?
No, this doesn't mean you are limited to +P/+P+ to achieve decent performance, but it serves to point out the potentials of the caliber.

My primary carry is a Kahr K9. I have complete faith that the eight rounds in the pistol will be plenty for anything I may run up on. The extra seven in the spare magazine are merely for posterity. There is absolutely no reason for me to switch calibers or handgun... I have achieved the much sought after and coveted CCW zen. ;)

BTW, I have a PT-99 (same as your PT-92 but with adj sights). They're built stout and exhibit long life spans. You'll find plenty here on THR that own such pistols and hold them in high regards.
I'm quite certain you will ultimately regret getting rid of it if you decide to, the question is to what degree.

cratz2
January 6, 2004, 11:19 AM
Well, if you want a 45, get a 45. I was a 45 guy for a long time and still am to a certain extent though I rarely carry them these days. The 9mm has taken many lives. Many, many lives. I have very little doubt that .355 and .357 caliber handgun bullets have taken far more lives than .451 caliber bullets. I don't really think this is a valid argument though as the only bullet effectiveness that matters is yours.

I guess it boils down to this... a well placed shot from a 9mm can certainly be a decisive fight-stopper. If you have confidence in your gun and you can conceal it and shoot it effectively, then I would stick with it. It sounds like you either aren't confident in the Taurus and/or the 9mm round or you would like a bit slimmer gun. Or maybe you just want another gun. Which is just fine! :D

I have put more rounds through my Taurus PT99 than any other centerfire gun I've ever owned... Probably more rounds through it than any three guns I've ever owned. I usually say 18,000 rounds but it's actually probably slightly higher than that... FMJs, Gold Dots, CarBons, Tritons... I have never had a failure to feed or a failure to eject. I cleaned it after every range trip but sometimes those trips involved 300 rounds of ammo and countless presentations. I dry-fired the peepee out of it and I've probably put $60 in replacement parts that, while prudent, weren't needed at the time. I've owned a lot of 1911s including several that have never had a failure but 18,000 rounds is a lot of rounds... a lot of confidence-inspiring rounds.

If something was going on outside my home and I happened to have all my guns were laid out, the Taurus loaded with 5 CorBons and 10 FMJs is very likely what I would grap.

Do you hunt at all? Or maybe know anyone that picks up roadkill? If you do, I can give you a couple pieces of advice that might help build your confidence in 9mm.

ny32182
January 6, 2004, 11:49 AM
The ballistics of handgun calibers these days are all so close that there really isn't much of a difference at all beween 9x19, .40, .357sig, and .45. Not much at all.

With ANY of the calibers, a well placed shot will do its job, while a poorly placed shot won't. Period. With the 9mm, you get a lot more chances to place that accurate shot. If you carry an extra mag, 30 gold dots at 1250 fps is awesome firepower to easily conceal on your person.

For myself, I use either 9mm, or 'compromise' and use the .40 if I want more power. I've never seen the advantage offered by a .45 when taking into account its reduced capacity. YMMV.

TonyB
January 6, 2004, 11:58 AM
The Taurus pt92/99's are great guns...but you know that.....but if you want a 1911 get one......but don't count the 9mm out......a 100% reliable 9mm will beat a 80% reliable 45 any day of the week.......if you can find a 1911 that's reliable w/out putting tons of $ into it go for it.......I can't shoot a 45 to save my life..that's just me......Iwas thinking about trading off my PT99 and luckily people on this board talked me out of it.........9mm is cheap to shoot too....if $'s no object you could shoot tons of 45,but for me 9mm is the way to go.....just one man's opinion.......:cool:

NorthernExtreme
January 6, 2004, 12:39 PM
Every study (that deserves credibility) shows there is no real difference between the 9mm and .45 when shooting premium loads.

Bring both to the range and test yourself with both. The gun you can shoot the best is the gun you should carry. It has nothing to do with 9mm or .45; it has to do with the gun you can score fast accurate hits with that will save your life, not the Caliber. (Assuming both are shooting top of the line Bullets)

9mm vs. .45
#1 Reliability
#2 Shoot ability
#3 Conceal ability
# 1000 which caliber you like better.

bountyhunter
January 6, 2004, 01:52 PM
The gun has been flawless yet I never carry it and just consider the gun "less than" because of the cailber. Can anyone here point out the error of my thinking? Thanks.

The very hot +p defense loads in 9mm have shown one-shot stop ratings that are close to the .45 defense loads. I don't think there is a nickels worth of difference for a CM hit between the two.

HankB
January 6, 2004, 02:08 PM
When "hardball" was the only game in town, no question - I'd much prefer a .45.

But today ALL the major manufacturers are making GOOD high performance ammunition in both 9mmP and .45. Notwithstanding the "studies" of stopping power with questionable - or secret! - methodology, I really think both 9mm and .45 are credible cartridges for personal defense.

And with either, I'm thinking "Mozambique drill" as a matter of course.

clubsoda22
January 6, 2004, 02:21 PM
I use Ranger Talon 127 +P+ as SD rounds in my PT92. Let me tell you that these are not lax in the performance department and i wouldn't want to be downrange of either that or a .45.

My taurus has been as good or better than every Beretta i have shot. Yes, it's a big gun for a 9mm, then again, the same could be said for the 1911 being a big and heavy gun for a .45. The advantage I see is that it's built like a tank, and the added weight makes it a more managable. Quicker follow-ups and less felt recoil.

denfoote
January 7, 2004, 08:03 AM
Just ask all those GI's who were killed by the German P38 during WW-II.
D'Oh!! You can't!! THERE DEAD!!! :banghead: :what:

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