Worst trigger ever?


March 6, 2011, 07:02 PM
OK what rifle that you have owned had the worst trigger system?

I'm "tawkin" bad creep, hard pull, inconsistent pull, etc. If you "fixed" it: how?

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March 6, 2011, 07:08 PM
I don't own too many different rifles...only about 8. Out of those, only three are modern production rifles. My least favorite trigger belongs to the Mosin Nagant. I love the rifle, but can't stand its trigger.

harmon rabb
March 6, 2011, 07:13 PM
definitely my SKS. man. that's a bad trigger. hell, my mosins have better triggers... and when anything about a mosin (other than perhaps price and usability as a club) is better than your rifle, your rifle should be ashamed :D

March 6, 2011, 07:14 PM
The worst I've ever felt was a bullpup conversion kit on an AK. Almost as bad as a Nagant revolver trigger.

March 6, 2011, 07:21 PM
ruger m77 markII was awful out of the box. Factory Savage 93R17 rifle had a trigger that would literally flop like it was dangling from an undersize pin. SW MP15 had a grittty heavy trigger. These have all been fixed.

March 6, 2011, 07:26 PM
Ruger 10/22 is my worst trigger. Haven't been bored or dissatisfied enough to fix it yet, but it's on my to-do list.

Ala Dan
March 6, 2011, 07:27 PM
My Colt CAR-15 (M6400C) 5.56 has a "creepy" trigger; not near the trigger
that my Rock River "Operator Elite" LAR-15 5.56 has~!:eek:

I realize that the RRA gun has a two-stage trigger; but the Colt could be a
lot better. Quite possibly, it needs an up-grade to a better trigger system~? ;)

W L Johnson
March 6, 2011, 07:38 PM
The worst I've ever felt was a bullpup conversion kit on an AK
I'll back this up.

March 6, 2011, 07:48 PM
KT p-11, love my pf-9 though

March 6, 2011, 08:17 PM
I'd put my SKS in the running.

March 6, 2011, 08:21 PM
Remington 700 CDL .260 rem. Out of the box it broke at a sloppy 9.27# no I am not kidding. Called Remington and they told me it was okay. So I dropped another 250 on a timeny trigger to make it at least decent.

March 6, 2011, 08:22 PM
Worst trigger I've ever felt was on an early semi-auto 1919. I am not exaggerating even a little bit when I say it was at least 20 lbs.

March 6, 2011, 08:37 PM
Worst was on a Steyr AUG I had back in the late 80's. Awful. Never was able to improve it.

Next worse was on a PTR91 but I sent it to Bill Springfield and he was able to improve it to "tolerable".

March 6, 2011, 08:39 PM
Beginning around 1975 till a few years ago I've had several "worst" triggers. All on Remington 700's. The only one I didn't have tweaked was on a .416 Remington Magnum. I felt better having to work to get that one to go off...........

If it wouldn't have been for the out-of-the-box accuracy of the older 700's I probably would have quit buying them.

March 6, 2011, 09:01 PM
PS90 --worst i've ever owned personally. i've pulled some that were worse but wasn't dumb enough to buy them

it reminds me of those triggers in the toy guns that pull a spring back and shoot ping pong balls or disks out

March 6, 2011, 09:35 PM
On a Rock River lower. Worse than any other gun I own or have ever owned.

March 6, 2011, 09:42 PM
Ruger 77MKII..Creepier than Michael Jackson.

March 6, 2011, 09:47 PM

March 6, 2011, 09:51 PM
Century arms mauser sporter, two miles of creep, heavy as hell...had it replaced with a nice Timney target trigger.

March 6, 2011, 09:53 PM
Rem 788...next to that Smith & Wesson 1500

March 6, 2011, 09:54 PM
Nope, I gotta agree with the AK bullpup conversion. The HK91 isn't a dream either but that bullpup trigger was heavy, long, mushy and enough for me to get rid of the damn thing!

March 6, 2011, 10:04 PM
The competition is stiff between three rifles.
1, 1917 Enfield, 30-06, creepy, heavy and gritty. Fixed it with a Dayton Traister trigger.
2, Mosin Nagant. Mainly HEAVY, like really HEAVY. not so creepy but yeah, heavy. Not fixed now nor will it ever be.
3, Stock trigger on my AR. Heavy, gritty, creepy, stagey. Basically, everything a trigger should not be. JP fixed that one nicely.

An also ran: My stock 10-22. Just like the stock trigger on my AR but not as heavy. Fixed by the addition of money, parts and time.

Nicest trigger I have now? Easy. My Kimber 82g. I just adjusted the stock trigger in accordance with the owners manual. Clean crisp and 14 ounces with no overtravel.


March 6, 2011, 10:31 PM
Friends Ruger PC40 - .40 S&W little camp/ranch style carbine.

People shoulder it, pause, whole body flinch as they squeeze like hell and nothing happens, rotate carbine 90 degrees on the bore axis to examine safety only to find it is in fact OFF. lol.

I swear there is somthing wrong with it or it has like a 30 pound trig. Whacked.

March 6, 2011, 11:00 PM

March 6, 2011, 11:04 PM
Another vote for the Kel Tec P11. Love everything about the gun, except the horrendous, looooooong trigger pull.

March 6, 2011, 11:07 PM
Factory PSL trigger (Pulled at 15.6lbs) Fixed it with a stoned G2 FCG @ 3LBS

Shadow 7D
March 6, 2011, 11:11 PM
Polish P-64, it has a trigger pull in DA that made me thing the gun was litterally broken, I couldn't pull it, But it worked in SA, and the single action, is about 2 pounds, so you got a gun you have to be on adrenalin to pull the trigger in DA, but then it's got a pull like a 1911 race gun in SA, VERY bi-polar...

On the SKS, I did a trigger job before I really knew anything, basically smoothed everything (I would have trimmed the springs... but I couldn't figure out how to get them off the captive rod)

The only thing I didn't touch was the sear, now I have a 5-6# pull, really smooth, but get this, it stacks, so you can take it up till the last 2oz and have the pull be like a target gun. I kinda hate stacking the trigger, cause about the 3 or 4th one I'll scare the Begeezuts out myself.

Welding Rod
March 6, 2011, 11:33 PM
Just about anything that wore the Ruger label, or a "milspec" AR.

March 6, 2011, 11:42 PM

Drag. Drag. Drag. OK . . . maybe . . . fire now.

After a little trigger work -

Drag. Drag. OK . . . fire now.


Beetle Bailey
March 6, 2011, 11:46 PM
I had a 1943 production M91/30 Mosin Nagant with a creepy, mushy at times, stacking 4 stage trigger that probably weighted about 8-9 lbs. Ended up installing a Finn M39 trigger to make it tolerable.

Worst I remember trying was a S&W Sigma pistol. That thing had to be over 10 lbs. and creepy as well. I thought the gun was malfunctioning because I had never had to pull that hard on a trigger before and not had it fire.

double bogey
March 7, 2011, 12:07 AM
Mod 700 ADL, 7mm rem mag, mid 90's. 9-10lb pull. Replaced with Timney, 2#2 oz.

March 7, 2011, 12:20 AM
My SKS is the worst I have in my inventory. The only time my friends can outshoot me is when we are shooting the SKSs. Mine has an awful trigger that feels like they used an old rusted wood rasp for part of the mechanism. Breaks like a lump of mushy loaf bread after a mile long trigger pull. Pulling the trigger requires pulsating your trigger finger pressure between 5lbs to 9lbs to get past that rusted rasp. After you get past the rasp, there is always the squishy part that has no real indication as to when the break is coming. Other than that... Great rifle!

March 7, 2011, 12:42 AM
SKS, or a milspec M4. For that matter, most M4/AR systems I don't like the trigger. Love the trigger on a PTR91 (newgen), and love the trigger on my Steyr M40 (once I get it polished a bit...she's still ultranew and kinda gritty :P)

March 7, 2011, 02:47 AM
My wife's bone stock Ruger 10/22. Trigger is so bad, at first, I thought the safety was on.
And then there was that Accutrigger thing on my Savage. Broke fairly clean but, I just couldn't stand the springy, glock thingy on the trigger, and replaced it with a Rifle Basix.


March 7, 2011, 03:02 AM
Saiga .308. The stock trigger pulls up, not back, is uncomfortable, and generally all around crappy.

March 7, 2011, 03:50 AM
WASR-2 trigger slap is horrendous!:cuss:

March 7, 2011, 06:26 AM

....definately a CZ 452 in 22wmr. VERY creepy trigger. It is also inconsistent on pulls, some are heavier than others. ...YIKES!

I've ordered an adjustible sear which I hope works because I trully believe this gun is not useable. I'm surprised it left the factory in this condition.

March 7, 2011, 07:24 AM
I can't stand the trigger on later model Winchester 94's! All I've tried (plus the one I owned) have had a lot of creep. Just a downright poor trigger.
But this was not the case with a 1954 manufacture '94 that I owned. That thing was awesome!

March 7, 2011, 07:54 AM
Armalite 180

March 7, 2011, 09:45 AM
My Saiga 7.62x39 in its stock sporter configuration. Can't wait to do the conversion. The wishbone linkage adds a horrible amount of slop.

March 7, 2011, 09:51 AM
Mosin..Hands down. Shot a few that's why I never bought one. Plus they kick like an angry mule.

March 7, 2011, 10:31 AM
Any "bullpup" design.

March 7, 2011, 12:06 PM
Ditto on the Ruger 77MKII. A total abomination.

March 7, 2011, 12:22 PM
Tie for first with me...an H&R Handirifle in 30-30, just about any Savage 24, especially my 24V in 222/20. Hard to shoot a good group or just one accurate shot for that matter with that trigger.

March 7, 2011, 01:52 PM
My worst is my HK-91.Any of you guys suffering with Remington or Ruger,they are easy enough to fix. Lightman

March 7, 2011, 06:34 PM
Lucky they were not on guns I own.

One was on a derringer - worst. It felt locked. I don't think the ergonomics were working with me either.

The other was a Keltec Sub2000. It was about on par with staple gun.

March 7, 2011, 08:13 PM
My worst was on a CETME. It felt like the entire assembly was coated in sand. Very heavy, with a "crunchy" feel and sound as you pulled. The trigger also seemed to pull forever with several psuedo-breaks along the way. I spent some time working on it and even though it is multitudes better, it is still the worst trigger I have.

March 7, 2011, 10:58 PM
Worst handgun... Savage Model 1917 in .32 ACP
It feels like the trigger, sear, and hammer aren't even in the same gun. I love the pistol but cannot shoot it straight. I no longer bother to try.

Worst rifle...1975 Colt SP1
I sent the trigger, hammer, and disconnecter to Bill Springfield and it is now a pleasure to shoot and I shoot it much better.

Best handgun...1937 Brazilian contract S&W Model 1917 revolver

Best rifles...1929 Springfield M1903 and Savage 14


March 7, 2011, 11:24 PM
I'll second the H-K 91. Very gritty, creepy, goobery letoff, with a lot of overtravel. I don't regret trading it off.

"Tie for first with me...an H&R Handirifle in 30-30, just about any Savage 24, especially my 24V in 222/20. Hard to shoot a good group or just one accurate shot for that matter with that trigger. "

I had a trigger job done by a gunsmith on a 24 years ago, it made a tremendous difference in how I was able to shoot the rifle.

March 7, 2011, 11:41 PM
Savage Edge. Heavy trigger pull. Fixed it by trading it.

March 8, 2011, 01:27 AM
savage 93r17 non accutrigger. worse trigger ever. so bad i want to sell it. a lot of creep, stiff and hard pull.

March 8, 2011, 02:50 AM
factory rem 700 sendero trigger sucks replaced it with a jewell trigger that focker is sweet. 14oz pull crisp no creep

Art Eatman
March 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
Worst? I don't know where my uncle got it; I don't think it was a bring-back of my father's, but an old French Lebel 8mm carbine was somewhere between horrible and wretched.

Eight- or nine-pound pull, and creepier than a pervert.

March 9, 2011, 12:48 PM
I have to agree with post # 20, that 788 Remington, .223 had the worst trigger imaginable! Smithy told me there weren't any replacement triggers made for it when I got it 20 years ago, well, there is now! I've got a Timney on it now, set at 36 oz's, and that sucker shoots almost one holers shot after shot now. Was able to drag good groups out of it before, absolute pleasure to shoot now! I have a #700 in 22-250 I bought years ago too, had that trigger changed out the first year, wouldn't have kept it on the ranch otherwise!

March 9, 2011, 07:32 PM
Worst to Least-worst


SKS || Marlin 39A || Weatherby Vanguard || Remington XPro

Marlin Model 981-T || CZ 452

Marlin Model 60

Best to the least-best:

CZ 550 Safari (2 stage)

Weatherby Mark V || Sako Finnbear

I guess this goes a very long way to explaining why all but two of my rifles wear after-market triggers.


March 9, 2011, 07:37 PM
Ruger 10/22 by far

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