"High capacity" mags in a bullet button design?


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dave85620
March 8, 2011, 08:36 PM
Hi,



I live in California and am thinking of purchasing a brand new AR-15. I already have some pre-ban 30 round magazines, and am womdering if I can use these in an off the shelf "bullet button" design ar-15?

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NG VI
March 8, 2011, 08:42 PM
I believe the answer is yes, because the bullet button makes it an effectively fixed magazine. I'm nearly postive you can use regular magazines in a bullet button AR.

dave85620
March 8, 2011, 08:57 PM
Will it be legal? From what I understand using pre-ban mags itself isnt illegal ( as long as you own them before the ban) but wasnt sure if you could use them with this particular design.

Quiet
March 8, 2011, 09:21 PM
In CA...

IT WILL NOT BE LEGAL on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto pistol.

The bullet button magazine lock makes the rifle/pistol a fixed magazine rifle/pistol.

A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon. [PC 12276.1(a)(2)]
A semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon. [PC 12276.1(a)(5)]

Using a large capacity magazine in a semi-auto centerfire rifle/semi-auto pistol with a bullet button/magazine lock, will create an unregistered assault weapon (CA Felony). [PC 12280(a)(1)]

It is legal to use large capacity magazines in a semi-auto centerfire rifle that is "featureless", meaning it does not have any features that would define it as an assault weapon [PC 12276.1(a)(1)].

In CA...
Use only 10 round or less magazines in semi-auto centerfire rifles/semi-auto pistols that are equiped with a bullet button/magazine lock.


Penal Code 12276.1
(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Quiet
March 8, 2011, 09:30 PM
If you want to legally use your 30 round AR magazines, then get a....
...featureless AR/ACR/SCAR type rifle
... Kel-Tec SU-16A or SU-16B or SU-16CA
... Benelli MR-1

lowracer
March 9, 2011, 09:57 AM
OP, what you're proposing would be a felony. You can build a featureless AR and shoot those mags all day long legally.

Remove all the Evil Features (CA PC 12276.1(a)(1)(A-F))

* Pistol Grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
* Thumbhole Stock.
* Folding or Telescoping Stock.
* Grenade Launcher or Flare Launcher.
* Flash Suppressor.
* Forward Pistol Grip.

These are all easy to get rid of or replace except the pistol grip. There are a few products on the market to help you with that. Here's one:

http://www.exilemachine.com/images/IMG_0374_640.JPG
(stock pinned)

http://www.exilemachine.com/images/IMG_9811_C.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/images/IMG_9812_C.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7465.JPG

dave85620
March 9, 2011, 08:35 PM
Man, those stocks really kill the look of the AR...maybe ill just keep the ar stock and use the weak 10 rounders. Thanks for all the info guys.

Quentin
March 9, 2011, 09:32 PM
Just a side thought: one thing to avoid is the term "high capacity" which is more and more being used against those of us who want "standard capacity" 30rd magazines for our ARs and AKs. A 10rd magazine is low capacity! :cuss:

dave85620
March 9, 2011, 09:40 PM
I agree. I shouldnt feel quilty because I want to put my 30 rounders in a fully functionable AR-15...when will it stop?

lowracer
March 9, 2011, 09:46 PM
Man, those stocks really kill the look of the AR

Unfortunately the anti-gun lawmakers in CA decreed that you could have a rifle that looked like an AR-15 but crippled to 10 rounds and a locked-in magazine, or one that looked different but could shoot lots of ammo with a normal finger-actuated release. Of course it's all BS, the featureless gun is no less dangerous for having a different looking stock or grip. No logic to the laws at all.

when will it stop?

Are you on Calguns.net? Lots of good discussion on there about how to configure your AR-15 legally. Some of the legal eagles on there are saying that the CA assault weapons ban could go away within a few years due to court cases following from the McDonald and Heller supreme court decisions.

-Mark

dave85620
March 11, 2011, 02:47 AM
One more question- is it hard to "pin" an adjustable stock? I ask because one of the rifles im looking at has the option to come from the factory like this, but am not sure if its something i can do later on.

From what I understand, as long as the stock is pinned and it doesnt have a pistol grip, then I can legally use 30 round magazines?

leadcounsel
March 11, 2011, 04:29 AM
Wow, CA is absolutely stupid! Those modified M4s/AR15s look absolutely retarded and are completely 100% just as lethal as one with 'normal' features.

It just proves that CA is all about cosmetics and not about substance! :)

InkEd
March 11, 2011, 12:28 PM
At least someone found a loophole for those living in California. On another positive note, the 10rd magazine capacity has virtually made crime a thing of the
past. :rolleyes:

BrocLuno
March 11, 2011, 07:20 PM
If it takes more than 10 rounds to kill a 'Yote or a Pig, you need some gun schooling?

Quiet
March 11, 2011, 08:20 PM
From what I understand, as long as the stock is pinned and it doesnt have a pistol grip, then I can legally use 30 round magazines?
Yes.

Just like on this 100% CA legal FN SCAR-16S
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/munkeeboi/bang/IMG_9639.jpg

Remo223
March 11, 2011, 08:29 PM
I'd choose second from the top if I lived in CA

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