CZ bolt actions, best for the buck?


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dgvc63
March 9, 2011, 07:08 PM
I want to buy a new varmint rifle and from what I can see, for the money CZ is the best deal all around regardless of application... big calibers or small. What do you think?

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Geno
March 9, 2011, 07:42 PM
No. I have owned 3 CZs (one 452 and two 550 Safari). They are nice firearms, but they are not to the quality of a Remington M700 Varmint/Police, or Winchester Model 70 Stealth or Classic, nor are they to the quality even of the "lowly" Weatherby Vanguard. I think they are over-priced. JMHO.

Geno

HOOfan_1
March 9, 2011, 07:51 PM
I have a CZ 550 Varmint, I really love it and I chose it over many others that I was looking at. I don't know that I would call it a huge value though. In fact, it was the most expensive of all the Varmint Rifles I was considering.

The Savage 12s and the Remington 700 SPS Varmint were both about $200 cheaper and the Remington 700 VLS was about $80 cheaper.

What specifically are you looking for in this rifle, what caliber?

NCsmitty
March 9, 2011, 10:02 PM
The CZ's are nice rifles, but I encourage you to buy American made. The Marlin X7, TC Venture and of course Savage, all are great values for the money, and made in the USA.



NCsmitty

HOOfan_1
March 9, 2011, 10:16 PM
No. I have owned 3 CZs (one 452 and two 550 Safari). They are nice firearms, but they are not to the quality of a Remington M700 Varmint/Police, or Winchester Model 70 Stealth or Classic, nor are they to the quality even of the "lowly" Weatherby Vanguard. I think they are over-priced. JMHO.

Geno

Wow...I think they are of better quality than the Remington SPS Varmint...certainly better quality than the Venture. Much better quality than the Weatherby Vanguard. The factory synthetic stocks from CZ are much better than 90% of the other factory synth stocks out there.

Onmilo
March 9, 2011, 10:56 PM
I am a big fan of buying American but the T/C is noted for sticking bolts, the Marlin has variable accuracy, some good many not so good and the Savage accu trigger is a travesty requiring replacement with something like the Rifle Basix requireing additional expenditure.

Every CZ rifle I have handled exhibits higher standards of quality than any of those American made weapons.

HOOfan_1
March 9, 2011, 11:02 PM
Some Savages come with them...MOST savages come with the worst synthetic stocks I have ever seen. Then again some CZs also come with H-S Precision stocks....
http://www.cz-usa.com/press-releases/108/

Rancho Relaxo
March 9, 2011, 11:24 PM
I would have to disagree with Geno, have you seen a new production Remington 700? They are nothing at all like they used to be. They are well made and mine have been very accurate.

benzy2
March 10, 2011, 12:04 AM
Personally, I feel CZ makes an amazing value for the money. By far not the cheapest rifle you can buy, but a lot of rifle for the money, in both rimfire and centerfire. I will say the adjustable set trigger on their centerfires and 453 line of rimfires is quite possibly the nicest trigger on a production rifle out there today, with exception to the match Anschutz triggers. The stocks CZ use are quality, be it wood, laminate, or synthetic, though they typically are benefited by a good bedding. The synthetic is a large leap from the base model Savage/Remington plastic stock. Their barrels tend to shoot well. Maybe not the absolute most accurate rifles, but 1/2-3/4" at 100 yards isn't a surprise in their centerfire line and I would call it a lemon if it wouldn't hold 1". They also run a controlled feed which many find to be absolutely necessary in a hunting rifle, especially a large/dangerous game rifle. Not overly important in a varmint gun, but some people would take nothing else.

They match up to the upper end of the Savage and Remington line when you take all features into account. At that point, they are all making a quality rifle so pick the one that floats your boat.

armoredman
March 10, 2011, 12:59 AM
Most bolt action rifles I had were milsurps, not a fair comparison, of course, but I have to say I have more fun shooting my CZ 527M bolt action carbine than almost anything else. My son is very fond of his little CZ 452 Scout bolt action rifle, too.

benzy2
March 10, 2011, 02:13 AM
The trigger on my rimfire MkIIBTV is just fine. It could be made lighter but that can be done easily. I don't have any problems with it the way it is. I can shoot sub 1/8" MOA groups at 50 yards with it.
I suggest you go to some formal bench rest competitions as 1/8 MOA will win any event you attend. I hate when people call others out on the internet, especially with no prior knowledge of the other shooter or his abilities, but 1/8 MOA from a rimfire is something top tier custom bench rifles can't match consistently. So lets see those 0.066" groups if you don't mind. Even if you meant 1/8" and not 1/8 moa, I again suggest you take that rifle to serious bench rest competitions, as a .125 aggregate will win you many competitions.

I'm not into shooting competitions. I just want an accurate rifle. And trust me I have one and I seriously doubt you can find any stock CZ that will match what it can do.

Look at the rifles you are comparing. You are basically looking at the CZ 527 and the LRPV. The CZ is a 6 to 8 lb rifle meant for multiple tasks, from range work to field work. The LRPV is meant to be set on bags and never moved until the day is over. Certainly if that is all you are after, enjoy the LRPV. For many of us shooting happens from more than at a bench and on bags. The CZ line excels for those people. More equivalent comparisons would be between a 527 American and a Model 11, or a 527 Varmint and a 12 FV, or a 527 carbine and a.....well nothing since Savage doesn't make a centerfire with iron sights anymore. The LRPV is built for a single specific use. No questions about it. It's a target rifle. If all you are looking for is a target rifle, it makes a great choice. If you are looking for something you shoot from a position other than a rest, or are looking for a rifle that you plan to carry more than from the vehicle to the firing line, the CZ line becomes much more appealing.

If you can show me a CZ that does that I'll believe the stuff about it being higher quality.
You clearly value quality as only the results on paper from a rifle shot from a rest/supported position. The CZ lines were never built to be F class rifles. Savage has built some great rifles and I applaud their willingness to push into more niche markets like F class. Not many other manufacturers do such and I have followed and owned them for a long time. That said, when I hold a CZ and a Savage that I own side by side, which I have many times, I see the quality in the CZ over the Savage. First, try a properly adjusted SST trigger in either set or unset mode on a CZ and it will taint you opinion of the accutrigger. I like the accutrigger. They took a big step in the right direction with it. But, it isn't perfect. Many have a little creep and a pull weight above what others get to. Trust me, having both, you can set the CZ trigger up better than the accutrigger. I wouldn't swap the accutrigger out for anything other than the SSS evolution trigger and I find it a great trigger but the CZ trigger is superior having them both.

http://www.a-framevideo.com/Savage_group.jpg
That one group is fine and all, but one group proves nothing. That isn't to say your rifle won't do that every time, but again, having both CZ and Savage rimfires, a couple of each, as well as spending a great deal of time with other owners of both, the CZ line tends to shoot as well if not a little better than the Savage rimfires in general. Jump over to rimfirecentral and check out what wins most of their competitions. I'll drop you a hint, it's CZ. I really like my Savage rifles, but their hunting rifles and rimfire rifles are at best equals of CZ and at worst a second place. Their purpose built target rifles may outshoot anything coming off the line of CZ, but then again, I'd like to see how that LRPV does at 100 yards offhand.

juk
March 10, 2011, 02:24 AM
It all depends on what you want. The CZ rifles will do all you will need it to do. Your best bet would be to get your hands on a CZ and compare them, side by side, with the other rifles mentioned. If you are looking for a wood and blued gun, the CZ is the way to go. If you want a synthetic stocked rifle with a matte finish, there are several great options that open up.

Someone will have a rifle that just screams at you. You will know "IT" when you pick it up and shoulder it.

snake284
March 10, 2011, 04:56 AM
I just bought a Stevens Model 200 in .223 from Wally World for $347 and some change drive out, tax and all. The trigger sucks but you can add about 100 dollars and put a Timney in it or if you know a good gun smith he can lighten the pull weight. That's what I'm going to do. My personal gunsmith is very good at trigger work and charges a flat rate of $35 a trigger job. He has done four of my rifle triggers, two Rem. 700s, a Howa 1500, and a Ruger 77, and they all break clean and between 1.5-2.5 pounds, just right for a hunting rifle. Other than pull weight of about 7-8 pounds the trigger as it is, breaks clean without any creep or overtravel. This is a deal. I also put a Nikon Buckmaster Side Focus 6-18x40 BDC Reticle scope on it in Leupold Redfield style mounts. I have about $700 total in it and I am happy with this rig. By the time you put a scope and mounts of this quality on the CZ, you will be out about $900 or $1,000. Also, the Marlin X-7 series of rifles I think is the best deal on the market. I have picked one up and worked the bolt and it's as smooth as some that cost twice as much. Anything new that I buy I try to buy American, but then that's a personal choice.

One thing I will say in favor of the CZ is that it is nothing but a commercial 98 Mauser, which is my favorite action. If having a Mauser is worth the extra money to you go for it. I have a few Yugos and a regular 98 and one commercial 98 action that I'm building rifles in calibers of my choice so I'll pass on the CZ for now, but if that's your cup of tea you aren't getting taken by buying one. They are worth every penny you pay if a Mauser is your cup of tea and you're not into building rifles, which can get even more expensive, believe me I know.

BikerRN
March 10, 2011, 07:10 AM
If I get a new 9.3 it will either be a Ruger or a CZ.

Both companies have managed to impress me, and that's not an easy task. Even Savage is a great bang for your buck, but they don't make a 9.3 x 62mm.

BikerRN

stubbicatt
March 10, 2011, 07:20 AM
Get what you want. Try several. Probably you will find features of each factory rifle out there that you like. Speaking for myself, I have found the CZ rifles to present a level of quality I have not experienced with the Remington or Savage rifles. In my experience, the CZ is on a par with my Model 54 Winchester.

The fit between the wood and metal is perfect. The cut line checkering is flawless, with no over runs. The action is rugged and reliable. The set trigger is a nice feature, but one I don't utilize very often. Accuracy is as good or better than others I have shot.

The last Remington I had was a 40XB I used for cross the course. The receiver had mill marks under the rear ring, which in a rifle that cost that much was totally unacceptable. The trigger was quickly replaced by a Jewell. The glass bedding was atrocious, no kidding, just two sort of yellow blobs of stuff, so it was gouged out and redone.

The barrel of the Remington would metal foul something fierce. The metal fouling hasn't been a problem with the CZ.

Now granted, I am sure there are examples that have been sold of each of these rifles which would tilt my opinion the other way, but I don't have the present facility to examine hundreds of each to garner a more global opinion.

So. I like my GMC, you may prefer Ford, or Dodge, or maybe you like a BMW. Whichever turns your crank.

I'll stick with CZ.

jmr40
March 10, 2011, 10:36 AM
CZ makes accurate rifles. There are a lot of other companies that make accurate rifles that have the features I want. CZ does not. If you like the features and styling of the CZ's you could do a lot worse.

HOOfan_1
March 10, 2011, 11:48 AM
The synthetic is a large leap from the base model Savage/Remington plastic stock.

Of course the plastic injection molded stocks from most manufacturers are used on their cheap lines and are cheaper than the wood stocked guns. THe CZ kevlar stocks are more expensive than their walnut or laminate stock guns.

CZ used to be a huge value about 6 years ago when you could get a CZ 550 American for $600, or a CZ 452 with a walnut stock for $200. Then people discovered out great they were, our economy tanked, the value of the dollar went down the tube, bada bing bada boom supply and demand and the econmy made the prices skyrocket, now the CZ 550s are $750+ and the CZ 452s are $400+

NWCP
March 10, 2011, 04:23 PM
I own three CZ bolt action rifles and have never regretted purchasing a single one. My favorite is the 550FS in .308. It's not the most accurate of the three, the .17HMR 452 Varmint gets the nod in that department, but the Mannlicher stock is well balanced and looks great. I also like having iron sights available. I have a 17HMR, a .223 and the .308 from CZ. I also have their VZ58 semi auto. CZ makes a great gun for the money. I wouldn't hesitate buying another if only they made a 550FS in 25-06. :rolleyes:

shadow9
March 10, 2011, 11:26 PM
Good varmint rifles, hate to say it, but goes more to the Rem 700's. Yes, their QC has varied more from factory, but they're also built here. So it's like a Jeep - they'll break more often than a BMW, but your jeep headgasket is gonna cost $29 at Autozone, vs. your BMW gasket for $350, ordered and 3 weeks out...plus you'll be able to put the parts on, versus a trained professional costing $60/hr.

Likewise, I'll be ordering a CZ 550 FS in 6.5x55 or .308 VERY soon. I love the asthetics, love the feel, love the build. Plus I like their version of the Mauser action better than Winchester's. Rem's have push-feed on the 700's, a feature I just can't get into, nor their bolt feel/design. Personal preference, I suppose.
Savage also builds a SERIOUS rifle. Most high-accuracy rifles are Savage, or Sav builds. Also, built here, inexpensive to own, SOLID design, and their barrels are garage-swaps. Yes, with a screwdriver and a steady vice, you too can change your barrel every year.
Cheers!

benzy2
March 10, 2011, 11:38 PM
Good varmint rifles, hate to say it, but goes more to the Rem 700's. Yes, their QC has varied more from factory, but they're also built here. So it's like a Jeep - they'll break more often than a BMW, but your jeep headgasket is gonna cost $29 at Autozone, vs. your BMW gasket for $350, ordered and 3 weeks out...plus you'll be able to put the parts on, versus a trained professional costing $60/hr. I don't agree with this at all. First, what can you swap on a Remington at home that you can't on a CZ? There are no head gaskets to blow in a rifle. Lets see you do a barrel swap at home with either a CZ or a Remington. I'll give you that there are more stock choices out there for Remington, but any part you are swapping on a Remington could be done with similar tools on a CZ. CZ also has a US shop in Kansas (I believe that's where they are) for all repair/replacement work. So you ship your rifle to a domestic repair center the same be it Remington or CZ.

I want to make it clear that the perfect rifle for you is the one that fits all your needs. I don't care if that's CZ or not. But there is a TON of misinformation out there such as the above. CZ has some of the best CS in the business. Not many people walk away unhappy if an issue arrives. To say you are going to have to pay a professional to fix any issues where similar issues on a Remington could be fixed in the garage is a flat out lie.

To also say that Savage puts out most of the high-accuracy rifles is another big stretch. Short of a few F class matches, not many national level competitions (where the real high-accuracy rifles show up) are won by a Savage action. Sure they typically shoot well from the box, maybe the best of the mass produced rifles today, but even the fully built Savage rifles typically aren't taking home awards. Many of their design features are done in a way that allows them to cheaply produce fairly accurate rifles. These features also typically stop them from being the most accurate rifles possible. Not a big issue for most of us, but also a reason why you don't see some of these features being carried over to full blown custom actions. I really like Savage. I think they make probably the best bang for the buck, especially if you are looking to rebarrel. But they are far from the most ideal rifle as well.

Furncliff
March 10, 2011, 11:57 PM
Go on the Auction sites. Compare the number of USED CZ center fire rifles available (that are not milsurp) to the others you are considering.

Perhaps not fair as there are many more Rem and Win and Savage out there, but Interesting. I'm thinking the shooters who have them don't want to part with them.

Cosmoline
March 11, 2011, 12:04 AM
HOOfan_1 hit on it. They used to be a fantastic, almost unbelievable, value. That was back around 1999 when the Dollar was still high and the Czech republic was full of world-class gun making talent willing to work for peanuts. The rise of the Euro has jacked the price way up, plus the advent of cheaper "American" models has contributed to a *comparative* decline in the centerfire CZ's. If you can get one used, with those excellent iron sights, it's absolutely better than anything stateside. Though as Furncliff notes folks don't part with them! But if you're going for a sightless model I'm not so sure. They're still great rifles, but not as great and not as inexpensive. Once you stick an American style stock on there, ditch the sights (worth $150 at least) and increase the sticker price, you've lost some of what made them the absolute must-buy rifle they used to be.

The Safari grade are another matter. Even at near a grand with today's exchange rates, they're a true PH level rifle and leave anything from US makers in the dust from all I've seen. I had a .357 H&H for a few years and I very much regret having to part with it. It shot so smooth, with such accuracy, you would never guess the energy it was churning out.

The rimfires are also another matter. The CZ 452 with tangent sights not only beats anything American made in its price range, it beats it into tiny particles. They're REAL rifles built to the standard of a Mauser of old. Not a toy with the ultra-cheap parts found on so many US made rimfires.

As far as accuracy, CZ makes hunting rifles in the old style. I'm sure you can find more accurate rifles, but the CZ's will still be better balanced and a better hunting arm.

mr.trooper
March 11, 2011, 01:00 AM
Let me see if I have the detractors strait...

CZ's are quality rifles, and you CLAIM they were unbeatable values back when they were undervalued... but you still never actually bought one.

NOW that you actually have to pay what they are worth, you say your money is better spent on guns which are worth less. :scrutiny:

Does not compute.

rajb123
March 11, 2011, 07:53 AM
I just bought a CZ varmint 452 heavy barrel. I have not shot it yet. The trigger is terrible with lots of creep and heavy inconsistent pull. I'm buying an adjustible sear to fix it. In addition, the bolt is not smooth. I put some oil on it and worked in the metal parts a few hundred times now and it is much better....

All-in-all, it seams like a well built rifle but it needs a little fussing....which I do not mind. If you are expecting a perfect rifle out of the box, buy an Annie or something else.

SaxonPig
March 11, 2011, 08:29 AM
Best CZ for the buck?

If you can get any CZ for a buck I say grab it.

timbertoes
March 11, 2011, 11:24 AM
I have had 3 Centerfire CZ's.
All of them very very nice rifles.

I have 2 CZ's Currently. A 452 and a 550.
So overall 5 CZ's.

I use the set trigger a lot.
On the bench and when the coyote or bobcat is spotted, the trigger gets set.
The set trigger alone beats all others. People say get a timney for the remington...well, a timney is junk comapred to a CZ set trigger. Can that timney go to a few+ ounces ?? lets face it, for a lot of us, shooting paper targets is a lot of fun, and a sweet trigger makes it happen.

compared to Savage, Rem : beats them by a mile.
I have sent back two brand new Savages, becase they would not shoot for diddly. really crap rifles IMHO. a 3rd savage refused to feed rounds from the magazine, it fits so poorly.
And I like a true-blued rifle. Not this looks-like-a-frying-pan-surface stuff thats out there.
but my CZ550 varmint is dissapointing in that respect.

Howa seem very nice. I only own a 1980's howa. trigger is excellent, absolutly excellent. Metal is flawless. feeds smooth.

Seems to me , Rem is only good to get the action, and then spend about $1000 to build on it. Having said that, I am waiting on a Rem., 1982 Classic in .257 to arrive.
Rem is the same price range or more, than a CZ when you step up in Rem to get the CZ build and looks.

For myself, the only rifle I feel gives out of the box performance at a lower cost than CZ is a Tikka. I would not turn down a Howa, but too many of the easily available ones are shorter barrels in a stock I personally dont care for.

I am not a brand snob, and really dont mean to insult others on thier choices. These are just the things that I have found to be true. For that matter I have an expensive leupold scope, that the quality of reminds me of a cheap tasco. So.....

timbertoes
March 11, 2011, 11:27 AM
cz cant win ?
a lot of shooters cant shoot :)
http://bryanspeed.smugmug.com/Other/targets/cz452Lapuacenter-xscopetest/1196823734_kJ6xV-M.jpg

Cosmoline
March 11, 2011, 01:27 PM
a CZ rifle winning anything anywhere.

They're not for competition shooting, they're for hunting. The CZ 550 and its BRNO forebear are considered among the very best hunting rifles ever made. They're tough, well balanced and powerful with positive extraction, no breakable parts and a proven design.

HOOfan_1
March 11, 2011, 01:48 PM
And I like a true-blued rifle. Not this looks-like-a-frying-pan-surface stuff thats out there.
but my CZ550 varmint is dissapointing in that respect.


Mine too. I looked at it on their website, and it looked like the barrel was a high polished blue. That was one reason I decided on the CZ. I had to order it because no one in my aread carried the CZ 550 Varmint with the laminated stock which I wanted. Then I opened it and found the barrel was more of a dull blue.

My Remington 700 BDL has a high polished blue, but the ones I see in stores nwo are not as polished. The only ones I have seen that have that nice shiny blue are the Winchester M70 Supergrade and a few Sakos.

I still love the look of my CZ and it shoots better than any rifle I have ever owned, but I was dissappointed in the bluing on the barrel.

timbertoes
March 11, 2011, 02:27 PM
If I had any newer Rem, I would like to have a LVSF model.

IIRC BRNO's have long been used in competition in europe.

wsm
March 11, 2011, 02:53 PM
Benzy2.

Re-read post #12. You will see that he said 1/8" MOA, not 1/8 MOA.

JoelSteinbach
March 11, 2011, 04:33 PM
I own a CZ527 Varmit in 223 with a laminated stock, besides having the action bedded, it is a stock rifle. With the set trigger and handloads this little beauty is a one holer at 100 yards. It is one of my very favorite out of ther box rifles.

chrome_austex
March 12, 2011, 12:25 AM
Ole Joe made me do it. Just picked up a CZ 452 FS in 22lr. Heres my living room review:

The tolerances on all the parts are all very good. I was a bit disappointed it isn't blued on the receiver (just the barrel), looks like parkerizing or something on the receiver. Magazines and mag well are plastic, meh, thats fine as they all seem to fit and function well. Plastic endcap (I understand a metal one is available). The ergonomics are good, the FS stock is really cool and the checkering is a nice touch. The stock and the 20" barrel length are what sold me on the FS model. That, and backup irons are nice to have.

The trigger is ... wierd. I can see how people would quickly replace it. I'm going to give it a try, but its quite different feel from the 2 stage NM trigger on my AR.

I'm glad to see two extractors on the bolt. Walnut stock is nice enough. People say they like the sights, I don't think they're for me, and might have to be relegated to backup duty.

I do appreciate the tangent sight design, as they're marked for distance up to 200m. How reliable are those factory marks once you've zeroed the front sight? I'm wondering what the torque specs on the bedding screws, anyone know?

The sling swivels are getting replaced asap with some standard ones, perhaps flush cups. Glad to see they just screw out and the stock is thick enough up front to probably accept a flush cup.

So, it seems to be well done in the places where it counts, and CZ has clearly cut some costs in materials and finishes where they felt that they could. Not entirely unexpected. This one is probably $100 more than the cheapest 452, and so less of a value than a very similarly equipped lux, but I think she's more of a looker, and extremely practical.

Tomorrow we see how she shoots...

NELSONs02
March 12, 2011, 12:38 AM
For the price point that the CZ 550's and 527's fill YES I feel they offer the most value.

There are many, more expensive rifles however, that hold they're value better.

benzy2
March 12, 2011, 01:04 AM
Benzy2.

Re-read post #12. You will see that he said 1/8" MOA, not 1/8 MOA.

1/8" MOA isn't a real value. MOA is minute of angle, or 1/60 of a degree. At 100 yards it would be 1.047". At 1000 yards it would be 10.47". At 50 yards it would be .524". As such, at the 50 yards stated, 1/8" and 1/8 MOA are different values, roughly 0.125" and 0.066" respectively. I can't tell if he meant MOA or just inches based on his "MOA units. I figured he meant inches but talked about both in the post. It's a big difference, and honestly, not knowing that difference is a big red flag on my BS meter. Maybe everything he says it true and I'm just a skeptic.

He can claim CZ's rimfires won't come close to winning at his local range, that's fine. If you check out Rimfirecentral (specifically here http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300393 ), you'll see that in the games they play there, a lot of CZ's qualify and typically a fewer amount of Savage's qualify. Not always, and maybe more a sign of what the members there shoot more than anything. That said, neither really looks to pull away from the other in absolute performance. Maybe one guy on a given day gets a better group out of one rifle than the other, but not consistently. I feel the CZ rimfire line offers a lot more than pure accuracy. If group size per dollar spent is the only goal, the Savage is probably a better deal. If you want to hold a bit of craftsmanship, the CZ goes a long way.

The trigger is ... wierd. I can see how people would quickly replace it. I'm going to give it a try, but its quite different feel from the 2 stage NM trigger on my AR.

Go check the CZ forum on rimfirecentral. Look at their poorman trigger job and the offered shim kits. The trigger has the potential in it to be great, but it often needs a little push to get there. I worked over 2 of mine for about $10 total. One needed shimmed and a spring, the other just a spring. After that they both are very crisp and have a pull of about 10oz. A heavier spring can raise that all the way up to about 5 lbs. You won't get the 2 stage feel, but you will greatly improve the trigger.

CH47gunner
March 12, 2011, 05:06 AM
If you're buying a new rifle, I believe the CZ's the best bang for the buck.
I own three - one 452 Special in .22lr, one 452 Varmint .17HMR, and one 527 Varmint in .223.

All shoot as advertised out of the box - no new triggers, no aftermarket stocks, I just did a bit of cleaning, adjusting & stoning on the triggers, and the rifles were good to go.

All three rifles are part of the battery that travels to Montana with me every year for the annual prairie dog & groundsquirrel shoot.

If I saw a good deal on a quality "used" rifle that'd probably the way I'd go but, if I were to buy new, I'd buy the CZ's.

I do own a couple of newer Savage rifles (10FP .308 & 93R17-BV .17HMR), don't care for the Accutrigger. I've replaced the Accutrigger on the .17 w/ Rifle Basix trigger & will probably do the same to the .308. The .308 has been restocked with an B&C Medalist aftermarket stock.


Good luck with your choice,

Bruce

CB900F
March 12, 2011, 05:21 PM
Fella's;

I have several CZ rimfire 452's. If you don't like the trigger, buy a YoDave kit. With shipping it's under $20.00. Don't know where to get one from? Go to Rimfire Central. And while you're there, as has been mentioned here, check out the results of the contests, CZ/BRNO does quite nicely.

If CZ would import a left handed 550, I'd buy them. As it is, Tikka gets my money. CZ could, but apparantly chooses not to.

Had a Savage, don't need another one.

900F

Onmilo
March 12, 2011, 05:56 PM
I just bought a CZ 452 ZKM.
Fit and finish are uniformly excellent and on par with a quality CENTERFIRE rifle.
Plain and simple, there are very few American made bolt rifles that approach this level of fit and finish and the ones I know of are either foreign made guns playing under the U.S. manufacturers tradename or are super expensive domestic products.

Savage .22s are nothing more than product upgraded Canadian Lakefield rifles, no wounderblaster by any means.

I know a little bit about how things are done over on the game fields of Africa and I can tell you very few guides carry American made rifles but CZ rifles can be found in just about any camp on that continent.
That is one heck of a sound testement in my book!

DukeNukem
March 12, 2011, 07:04 PM
The CZ452 dominates in these championships in the open sights class. http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/report_eventAward.cgi?matchID=4687&eventID=1&awardID=1

earlthegoat2
March 12, 2011, 08:00 PM
I have always been impressed with the Savage out of the box accuracy. Unless you are in stock rifle competitions, the marginal increase in accuracy from the CZ is not worth the price. If it is styling or the iron sights you are looking for on the CZ then it is worth the price because they are quite attractive rifles.

teetertotter
April 23, 2011, 08:21 PM
Ya, I always wondered if the Savage Mark II - BV was any more accurate than the CZ 452/455 American, .22LR. Two+ months ago I had to buy the CZ American as Savage does not make left handed. Savage was my first choice. For me, it is what's on the inside that counts. I had to support the Chek's. I wonder if we can find some top benchrest guys to compare the Savage to the CZ and post results at 100 yards using SV only? 50 yards is nothing to compare accuracy. I shoot off hand SB Metallic Silhouette, hunter and heavy with my 7-1/2 lb American with scope. The trigger on my new American after adjusting factory trigger to lowest spring setting is 2-1/2 lbs and is clean and crisp. Savage or CZ .22LR.....Does any one really know?
Proof?

armoredman
April 23, 2011, 09:44 PM
I am not a rifleman. I like shooting, preferrably hitting the target, but I don't shoot benchrest, have no idea what the heck "F" class is, (used to think getting an F meant failing), been working on my little 527M carbine because everyone said 7.62x39mm is such a terribly inaccurate round. Perhaps I am a poor example of what CZ rifles can do, don't know. I can say that the one thing I wanted to change was the rear sight - the fixed rear sight on the 527M was not very well fixed, and it was recently replaced with a Marble adjustable folding rear sight, sliver soldered onto a custom base by a local gunsmith.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/527/IMG_2384.jpg

It does alright by me, but I am not a rifleman, not capable of shooting 4 inches at 440 yards, aka 1/4 mile, (odd distance, why 440?), or anything like that, but I sure love shooting this thing and reloading for it. I works like a champ, and will make a perfect camp/escapers/backpacking carbine for me. This is what I did with iron sights off a front rest only.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/527/ironsights100yardsgroup.jpg

See? Pathetic for the Internet champions, but it works for me, and I know that little light carbine will go bang for me when I need it. If you like CZ rifles, get one. If you want a Savage, Tikka, Weatherby, Ruger, Remington, go for it, as I have not one jot or tittle of experiance with them - my bolts were Mosins, Mausers and Enfields. :)
Soon I will remount the scope, so I can do this again. Still pretty horrible compared to the incredible shots here. ;)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/527/Berrys5.jpg

BTW, try the Berrys plated bullet in this caliber - awesome bullet.

OKcarburetor
April 25, 2011, 01:42 AM
You can compare accuracy all you want, but if a rifle fails to function it doesn't matter. This is why I have sold both savage rifles I owned. My 12 FVSS .223, which was absurdly accurate, would not extract cartridges and the trigger started to malfunction after 500 rounds. My BVSS .17hmr had such poor build quality and design I just couldn't stand to own it.(foward action screw to stock interface design was particularly poorly executed) It wasn't what I'd call an accurate rifle anyway.

A CZ 527 replaced my model 12, and while I like it, I certainly don't think it's the best bang for the buck rifle. Once again however, I like it so that's all that matters to me.

I'm not sure what the best bang for the buck rifle is really. Too many choices, and it really depends on your taste. I'd say the used rifles I've bought have always given me more satisfaction for the money spent than any new rifle though.

benzy2
April 25, 2011, 07:54 AM
Jeff, calm down. First, it's the internet. Lots of people make big claims, yours being one of them. When people make such big claims, and the can't get the unit right, it tends to be BS. That's what I said and I'll stick to it because most of the time, when someone doesn't get the units right, it's because they are making it up. If you aren't that person, cool, but when I see the claim, it raises a flag. Again, it's the internet, people exaggerate. I've seen it more than once. If you are the exception, then enjoy shooting the small groups.

Water-Man
April 25, 2011, 08:48 AM
Take a look at a TIKKA T3 Varmint.

451 Detonics
April 25, 2011, 09:34 AM
To also say that Savage puts out most of the high-accuracy rifles is another big stretch. Short of a few F class matches, not many national level competitions (where the real high-accuracy rifles show up) are won by a Savage action.

Team Savage set the world record for 1000 yards at the 2010 F T/R Nationals shooting Savage rifles complete with the factory barrels and Accutrigger...seems like that is the type of match where "the real high-accuracy rifles show up".

Much of what rifle to pick is going to stem from what you expect to do with the rifle, toting a 10 pound rifle around for a full day of hunting is kinda tough but at the same time I would run a lighter weight Savage hunting rifle against the field and be confident in it doing very well against all comers. They do not win the beauty portion of the competition but you don't have to pay for the good looks either. The CZ shoot well also and if you are willing to pay for pretty then the CZ might be what you want. It all comes down to personal preference on looks.

teetertotter
April 25, 2011, 09:54 AM
The Tikka T3 Hunter/Varmit for lot more $$$$ than the CZ American and Savage with same accuracy at 100 meters? For the ocassional shooter, would not need to spend that much as a Savage or CZ would be more accurate than the shooter to begin with.....off hand shooting that is. Tikka is another rifle to consider like so many out there. The Savage and CZ selections will be more accurate than I until I get serious off hand target practicing 2 times a week with dry firing in between 1/2 hour per day. Until I become a serious competitor, then I would move up to the $1500+ range. Hunters/plinkers go crazy with what they can do off SB or benchrest for sighting in, but when it comes to real off hand shooting, they will miss a 4 inch target every time at 50 yards. You know what I mean?? If not intending to be a competition shooter, buy a less expensive rifle as it will always be better than you off hand. Do I make sense?

Smaug
April 25, 2011, 10:23 AM
IMO - Marlin is the best deal going in 22s, and Savage in larger-than-22. Accuracy, price, and a decent level of finish.

OKcarburetor
April 25, 2011, 12:17 PM
Never replaced the extractor in my model 12 because there are plenty of other rifles that will function, shoot accurately, and look good doing it. Life is too short to own an ugly unreliable rifle.

JoelSteinbach
April 25, 2011, 05:10 PM
With a little action bedding handload and it's set trigger I feel the CZ527Varmit in 223 is the best bang for the buck, one hole groups at 100 yards a little more jagged at 200 yards

Art Eatman
April 25, 2011, 05:46 PM
I hate to see folks get all lathered over what might have been a typo. And then go to harumphing at length; that doesn't help my attitude, either.

I prescribe a generous dose of Relax.

aka108
April 25, 2011, 06:05 PM
I have no ideal what a CZ center fire rifle is like however I did purchase a CZ model 453 Varmiter in 22rf. I love it. Shoots very accurately using inexpensive Eley Sport ammo. My 1416 Anschutz can't handle the Eley Sport. It likes the more expensive stuff which it then shoots on a par with the CZ's less expensive ammo. Overall I rate it pretty highly. Probably will never buy another one since this unit I have will outlive me and my
Grandkids as long as it is given a little TLC now and then.

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