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chaddy
March 9, 2011, 10:11 PM
Anybody know ANYTHING about these guns?

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Hanzo581
March 9, 2011, 10:35 PM
Never heard of high standard....but from what I can see from their prices you can do better.

mc223
March 10, 2011, 03:59 AM
For the price you can get a known brand of AR. Even if you couldn't, its $800. $200 more will ensure that you get a rifle that would have a long life vs. an unknown.

High Standard Mfg Inc in Houston, TX is a private company categorized under Pistols or Pistol Parts, 30 Mm. and Below. It was established in 1993 and incorporated in Texas. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of less than $500,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4.

chris in va
March 10, 2011, 04:14 AM
Do some reading on AR-15 dedicated boards. I'm sure there's a thread or two about the company.

Tirod
March 10, 2011, 10:04 AM
$200 more and you will be sure of having spent $200 more. Unless you can document a lot of small obscure items, and rely completely on the assurances of a marketer, the difference in quality isn't life and death. Based off some information, a Spike's Tactical may have more milspec parts than the civilian version of a government contract supplier. We'll never know because they aren't talking. It's not good to let the buying public be reminded only the government gets certified inspected and made to standard parts with the documented process of construction stamped and signed off at every step.

What you get is a gun in a box, maybe a sling, and a receipt. Sometimes not even the box, but the assurance that a lot of other buyers value the rollmark enough to pay more. And the marketers do everything they can to create an illusion justifying it.

You can build the finest AR in the world, someone will complain. Ask the Customer Service reps at Noveske or Les Baer about it.

Onmilo
March 10, 2011, 03:41 PM
"Mil-Spec" is such a misnomer in the wide wonderful world or M16 type rifles.
NO civilian semi auto AR rifle will EVER be truely "MIL-SPEC" simply because there is so much difference in the fire control group.
Fact is, in many examples, the current civilian production parts and accessories for M16 type rifles will actually EXCEED the standards set down as military specification.

bri
March 10, 2011, 04:06 PM
"Mil-Spec" is such a misnomer in the wide wonderful world or M16 type rifles.


True, to a point. Technically, a "mil-spec" carbine or rifle should be explained as "closest to the TDP as possible". Here's a quick explanation from vuurwapenblog: http://vuurwapenblog.com/2010/09/27/what-is-the-tdp/ While "mil-spec" is a general term that seems to have evolved on the interwebs, the TDP is specific and clear.


NO civilian semi auto AR rifle will EVER be truely "MIL-SPEC" simply because there is so much difference in the fire control group.

I wasn't aware that there was much difference in the FCG. What exactly are the differences, just curious.


Fact is, in many examples, the current civilian production parts and accessories for M16 type rifles will actually EXCEED the standards set down as military specification.

Definitely interested in examples of parts and accessories that exceed the TDP. Optics wise, for example, is there something out there that exceeds the standards put forth by Trijicon (ACOG) and Aimpoint (M68CCO)?

Onmilo
March 10, 2011, 04:38 PM
Hammer, disconnector, selector lever.
No auto sear &/or burst fire ratchet in a semi auto weapon.
For that matter even the lower receiver milling is different on a semi auto rifle compared to a select fire rifle specifically to prevent the incorporation of full auto components in the semi auto gun.

As for the uppers, one CAN add a full auto bolt carrier to MOST guns, some earlier Colt made rifles will not allow the FA carrier to fit and function.
There is no legalities concerned here as long as NO other full auto parts are incorporated on the weapon, i.e. selector lever machined for full auto function, etc.

Bolts, barrels, gas tubes, all that happy stuff can be exactly the same for either the M16 or AR15 type rifle.

ETA; Barrels are an example of better than Mil-Spec, so are things like Magpul grips, Tango down grips, available back up iron sights, stocking options, bolts, bolt carriers, springs, free floating forends, gas blocks,,,,the list can go on.

chaddy
March 10, 2011, 10:20 PM
So is the high standard ar a pos or what I can find much on them???? Looks good for 700$...

mc223
March 11, 2011, 12:24 AM
If YOU think it will meet YOUR needs and YOU like it. Go for it.

Just note. There is no tolerance for buyers remorse if it does turn out to be a POS.

D D Straitwell
March 11, 2011, 01:29 AM
In answer to the question about the High Standard AR 15. Our gun collecting club recently had a run made with our club Logo (HGCA). I have put mine through the paces and it is a GOOD rifle. I have several others (early Colt SP series) and this is as accurate as my other - MOA at 100 yds with scope. The High Standard I have handles the 68 gr Hornady Match HP as well as the 55 gr FMJ.

Onmilo
March 11, 2011, 09:48 AM
I have used some High Standard parts, they have been of uniformly good quality.
$700 isn't a bad price either,.

bri
March 11, 2011, 01:07 PM
ETA; Barrels are an example of better than Mil-Spec, so are things like Magpul grips, Tango down grips, available back up iron sights, stocking options, bolts, bolt carriers, springs, free floating forends, gas blocks,,,,the list can go on.

Ah, I see where you're going with this now. After market accessories that improve end-user ergonomics and accuracy, as none of these items listed would improve the basic function or reliability of the rifle.

Onmilo
March 11, 2011, 06:07 PM
Yes, yes they do.
Barrels improve accuracy.
Specialized bolt carriers and springs improve reliability, especially when using ammunition other than military fmj.
Magazines such as the P-Mag improve reliability, not "MIL-Spec" but approved for combat issue and use,,,,
Specialized components such as redi-mags, ambidextrious magazine releases, ambidextrious selector levers, etc., improve the basic functioning and ergonomics of the basic weapon, none are "MIL-SPEC" and the very best exceed "Mil-Spec" in perfomance, function, quality of fit and finish,,,

You're trying to argue a moot point about the whole "Mil-Spec" thing.
Serious users of these weapons already know that.

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