NM mayor and police officials charged with gun smuggling


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Mags
March 10, 2011, 10:43 PM
This a very interesting story on how illegal guns get into Mexico. BS or not I think there may be some truth to this one.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2011387.shtml?cat=500

From the link:The owner of the gun shop where the majority of the weapons were purchased, Ian Garland, was also charged. The indictment says the suspects claimed they were buying the firearms for themselves, when in fact they were purchasing for someone else.
I don't understand why they charged the shop owner, especially when the indictment made it sound like the shop owner believed the purchases was legal. Could you really blame him? I mean the purchasers were public officals.

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Larry E
March 10, 2011, 11:06 PM
ATF apparently believes that gun dealers are somehow mind readers, and should know. How I have no idea, but that seems to be their attitude, and the current DoJ and Treasury have no sympathy for gun dealers or owners. The more dealers they can put out of business the happier they are.

If cops and a mayor came into a gun shop I owned saying that they wanted to buy some guns for themselves I'd have no qualms about selling to them so I can't quite understand how the dealer got charged.

Furncliff
March 10, 2011, 11:21 PM
I could read that article as saying that he (dealer) was part of the gang. Columbus is very small. It would be nearly impossible for the gun shop owner to not know the Mayor was smuggling.

cassandrasdaddy
March 10, 2011, 11:28 PM
we're talking a LOT of guns its analogous to a guy selling you a 56 hdtv for 100 bucks nib and trying to claim you didn't know it was hot

medalguy
March 11, 2011, 06:23 PM
Yeah. Colkumbus is VERY small and everyone there is related, most are descendents of Poncho Villa, remember him? They have a big annual celebration there to mark the Columbus raid, which ultimately led to the Mexican Punitive Expedition led by "Black Jack" Pershing. They never caught Villa but the expedition did provide some excellent training that ultimately helped during World War I. It also taught the military the value of motorized troops and the use of aircraft.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, if I were selling dozens of AK type rifles to the same 2-3 guys, 10 miles from the Mexican border, today, I'd just have to be a little bit suspicious, don'cha think?

overcast_days
March 11, 2011, 09:53 PM
The gun shop owner and gun shop was in Chaperal NM not Columbus NM where the officials are from. The gun shop is closer to El Paso Texas than to Columbus NM.

Medalguy I agree with you on selling that many AKs to the same few guys repeatedly. Then again he may have thought since it was a mayor and policemen they were using them for training reasons too. The border in this region is dangerous for honest police.

Sistema1927
March 11, 2011, 11:21 PM
most are descendents of Poncho Villa, remember him?

Ignorance knows no bounds.

dallascj
March 12, 2011, 12:50 AM
Wonder how many honest police officers and law-abiding citizens will be killed with those weapons? Some people have no conscience.

PTT
March 12, 2011, 01:56 AM
Yeah. Colkumbus is VERY small and everyone there is related, most are descendents of Poncho Villa, remember him?

Kinda hard to remember the guy...the raid happening almost 100 years ago :) one of my great uncles did slap Pancho Villa in the face when he was a toddler, though. Long story, but I can share it if anybody is interested.

Woodrow Wilson supplied and aided Villa's enemies, including using searchlights (a new technology at the time) to help them spot Villa's men during night battles, and transporting them via trains in the states to attack behind Villa's lines. Villa finally had it when he received a shipment of sabotaged ammo from a US dealer that resulted in many of his men dying. If it weren't for a recent shipment of French machine guns, Villa's raid would have been successful.

After the raid, Wilson tried to justify his interventions in Mexican hostilities by claiming that Villa was a German agent because his men mostly used Mauser rifles (a gun common worldwide at the time).

Even today at the museum in Columbus, they pretend the US was never involved in Mexico's civil war and try to equate the Columbus raid with 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. I've even heard people try to call Villa a communist. Many parts of Mexico were still practicing a form of slavery called the encomienda system, and because he was fighting this system he 'didn't respect private property rights' and was therefore a socialist or communist.

The anti-Villa crowd can be pretty crazy at times.

But then at the other extreme, there are people who pray to Saint Pancho Villa and leave offerings of beer and enchiladas in front of his little statue in their homes.

Sometimes it's not the history as much as the interpretation that affects the present day :)

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PTT
March 12, 2011, 02:10 AM
If cops and a mayor came into a gun shop I owned saying that they wanted to buy some guns for themselves I'd have no qualms about selling to them so I can't quite understand how the dealer got charged.

When George Lucas and Steven Spielberg came to southern NM to film the last Indiana Jones film, there were a lot of people who didn't know who they were. Plus Columbus is about as backwater as you can get around here. Few, if anybody, in Chaparral or even Deming would recognize the mayor or chief.

And if they did know who the chief was, that's worse. He got canned by Mesilla from being their marshall and everybody was surprised when he got another leadership position. Now we know why I guess :) Plus everybody knows Columbus is right on the border and AK-pattern rifles are in high cartel demand.

If I were an FFL and a known crooked cop from right on the border came to me looking for lots of Romanian AKs, I'd make some excuse and not sell him any to stay out of trouble. It just ain't worth going to prison over.

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Rocketmedic
March 12, 2011, 03:11 AM
I hate to say it, but I know this FFL (he has an affiliate at the Atlas Pawn) and although he seems like a decent guy, I've never pulled the trigger on a major purchase from him. Ian tends to have deals that make me scratch my head- lots of strangely-cheap firearms, lots of AK-pattern pistols and the "$555 AR-15". He was always bragging how he sold lots of fifty AT-92 (Turkish Beretta 92 clone) and dozens of shotguns and ARs to people. Like I said, it just struck me as odd, odd enough to avoid buying anything other than ammunition. I kind of figured there was something shady about groups coming in and buying twenty or fifty of anything, and I reckoned he was probably into something odd.

I like El Paso Gun Exchange and Collector's myself- they're a bit pricier, but they seem like straight shooters. I like that.

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