Emergency and after, have you stockpiled?


March 11, 2011, 07:48 AM
NO SHTF STUFF.:banghead:

Are you where you want to be? Firearms and ammo wise that is. I was watching the earthquake coverage in Japan and was wondering if you have what you consider enough firearms/ammo/reloading supplies to get you through a like disaster and the following supply disruptions for your normal activities. Due to the economy and poor availability of supplies of firearms related items are you at a level that allows you comfort that your needs for the immediate future are OK or are you still trying to build up to that comfort level? I am OK at the moment but if I start to sell off stuff for basic necessities as some here have had to do it would not take long to deplete my stocks.

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March 11, 2011, 07:58 AM
I should think that in such a scenario as you described that clean drinking water would be needed much more than a firearm or boxes of ammo.

March 11, 2011, 08:00 AM
I'm comfortable......it would have to be quite a wave to sweep away my ammo supply. Not sure what the effect would be on primers, probably ruin them along with the powder supplies.

March 11, 2011, 08:03 AM
I've got a fair amount, but I'm not comfortable. I'll continue to stock up as finances permit.

March 11, 2011, 08:04 AM
I have a decent amount of the calibers I shoot frequently (few hundred rounds of each) but I'm trying to build up a stockpile of a few key cartridges (.22lr, 9mm, .223, 12 gauge). Primary reason for stockpiling is for supply shortages like we saw in late 2008/early 2009.

In the case of short-term (<6 month) emergencies, the amount of ammo you have on hand isn't really important as long as you have enough to protect yourself--it's not like anyone is going to be engaged running gun battles in the streets after a hurricane (most likely emergency where I am). I agree with jimmyray that in those circumstances stockpiles of other supplies (food, water, batteries) will be much more important.

March 11, 2011, 08:11 AM
I'm set for just about any contingency.;)

March 11, 2011, 09:15 AM
After I loaded all my medical equipment into my car, there would be no room left for my limited collection. Honestly in a situation where the utility infrastructure became deteriorated to the point that security becomes an issue, my first priority is to move to an area where the infrastructure is still intact ASAP because I cannot live for long periods (week or more) w/o electricity and clean water. This is of course because I live in the US and we can easily move around.

March 11, 2011, 09:20 AM
If your house gets knocked over by a 26 foot wave, 100k rounds of ammo is going to be pretty far down your list of immediate needs.

March 11, 2011, 09:28 AM
Im comfortable ;)

Water and all.

March 11, 2011, 09:59 AM
I should think that in such a scenario as you described that clean drinking water would be needed much more than a firearm or boxes of ammo.

If your house gets knocked over by a 26 foot wave, 100k rounds of ammo is going to be pretty far down your list of immediate needs.

Both of these.

Folks, if you get caught in a disaster (natural or otherwise) that's powerful enough to disrupt daily life badly enough that you need to worry about what supplies you have on hand, the guns will be your last concern.

You will likely have to move to a safer area, which rules out a large stockpile of ammo. You may need building materials to board up and secure your property. You may also need medical supplies. You WILL need food, water, and extra clothing. Most sources recommend at least a three-day supply of food and water for each person in your household. That can add up and occupy a lot of space, depending on your household.

Are we starting to see a pattern?

Guns and ammo should be one of the last things you consider in terms of emergency preparedness. If anything, a good pistol (or even better a rifle) and a few hundred rounds should be sufficient for most situations. Anything more than that is overkill, and becomes a liability, IMHO.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
March 11, 2011, 10:13 AM
If there is a polar magnetic shift reversal and all things electric and electronic fail to operate, I think things would get extremely bad in an extremely short amount of time. No electricity means no freezers, no refrigeration, etc. Heck, modern vehicles may not even run!

I certainly would not want to live in any large city.

M2 Carbine
March 11, 2011, 10:24 AM
I'm pretty well set for a short time or long time emergency, but add more stuff all the time. Actually I'm packing up another box of can goods right now.:)

You just have to consider, whatever you have you have to have the means and will to hold on to it.

March 11, 2011, 10:31 AM
I was in the thick of it after Katrina. I'm pretty aware of what I'll need. After the storm, my family was able to sustain a semi-normal life for 3 weeks, until the power came back on. There was no law enforcement for at least a week, more like 2 weeks. I live in an area north of Biloxi, 10-15 acre lots. We took care of each other, security, food, ice, whatever we could do.

March 11, 2011, 10:42 AM
If your house gets knocked over by a 26 foot wave, 100k rounds of ammo is going to be pretty far down your list of immediate needs.

In this event guns are irrelevant; you sure will have other problems.
In an event in which you survived along with your residence, guns & ammo supplies only really become important in the event society really breaks down, a Katrina+ situation.
I don't dismiss being armed entirely but there are other concerns, like water, as has been mentioned, and also food. You can't eat a gun.

March 11, 2011, 10:45 AM
Lots of folks I know lost their gun collections. Salt water is a nightmare.

Onward Allusion
March 11, 2011, 10:45 AM
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Emergency and after, have you stockpiled?

Scary crap is an 8.9 quake! I would imagine that after something like that or other types of natural disaster, water, food, shelter, a good multi-tool, and communication would be primary considerations. Guns and ammo are also important, but how much do you actually need in that type of situation? I personally would make due with a 9mm and 4 or 5 17 round mags.

Vern Humphrey
March 11, 2011, 10:52 AM
Ammo is not a problem -- I generally keep quite a bit on hand.

However, I have exercised my survival plan quite a bit -- Tornados, ice storms, and so on have left uw without electricity and cut off with trees and power lines down on the road. From February 5th, 2008 to February 6th, 2009, my wife and I spent a total of 30 days living in our survival shelter -- a reinforced basement with wood heat.

About every other year we have to move down there when the electricity goes out for a prolonged period.

Your major needs in such a situation are food and water. We keep a 30-days supply of canned goods, and several gallons of water frozen in the freezer -- thawing them as needed. We also keep a gallon of bleach in case we run out of clean water and have to rely on creek water.

March 11, 2011, 10:55 AM
I'm in the area of the Great Miami River that's 20" above flood level in some parts.
Roads have been closed off so the residends can't get back to their homes.
But that's not stopping the thieves. They're in boats breaking into houses that can't be accessed.
There's a pic of a guy standing on top of his car with a scoped rifle guarding his house.
Don't need the "big" one to bring out the best.

I'm ready. Let the Commies come.

March 11, 2011, 10:58 AM
I am well stocked in ammo, food, and silver. All the gas jugs are full.Fresh water is not a problem.I think I have all the bases covered.For some reason that really worries me.

March 11, 2011, 11:03 AM

March 11, 2011, 11:03 AM
I'm at the point that I'm buying backup guns for each caliber and gage that I stock. It'd be down right ironic to have thousands of rounds sitting on the shelf and have the one gun that uses it crap out. I need 3 more lever actions, one pistol, and one revolver. Maybe a fourth lever action.

I prefer the lever actions over the semi-autos due to their simplicity. 'Course, in some calibers there are no lever actions available, like .308WIN. Yeah, yeah, I know, there are bolt actions in those calibers, but I don't particularly care for bolt actions. Maybe I need to get a third semi-auto in .308. Yup. I'm convinced!

Has anyone been able to get their hands on one of those new Kel-Tec double-magazine-tube pump shotguns yet? If they pan out, I would think it would make a nice addition to the defense force.


March 11, 2011, 11:06 AM
Yep got a generator too.

March 11, 2011, 11:08 AM
You can't eat a gun.

Nope, but it can put food on the table.

During Hurricane Ike, we were without power, fuel, etc. for close to 3 weeks.
We were supporting a couple families and livestock that fled the Galveston area. However, I wasnt prepared to take care of an extra 9 mouths (Food). Luckily some disaster relief food/water showed up a few days before the power was restored as it still took several more days for grocery stores to have food themselves...

My gun's & ammo never entered my mind till we started getting low on stuff.
Another 5-7 days I would have been a poaching son of a gun.

Vern Humphrey
March 11, 2011, 11:11 AM
'Course, in some calibers there are no lever actions available, like .308WIN.
The Browning BLR lever action is available in .308 Win and you can find Savage 99s in .308 Win as well.

March 11, 2011, 11:33 AM

Great read with actual survival during a bad situation in Argentina

March 11, 2011, 12:18 PM
Well folks I'm in shtf right now as I type. I'm in Tokyo. The aftershocks have finally died down but I can't quite sleep yet. The number one thing we (wife, me, and two boys 3 and 5) needed when we got out of the apt was clothes cause it is darn cold standing outside for hours. Shoes too. After that snacks and water. No guns here but I did grab the big maglite. If this were a gun kind of place I would have definitely taken one but in my mind concealable would be the most important thing. I was the only person I saw with a bug out bag. Scary stuff.

March 11, 2011, 12:20 PM
Not enough information. Among other things I do in the Marine Corps, I plan emergency preparedness for a number of DOD installations all around the country. The first question you have to ask is during an emergency is do I shelter in place or evacuate? In the case of a Tsunami you will be evacuating if you are in the affected area but not caught in the initial quake (i.e. Hawaii, Guam, Okinawa during this event). What you need if you evacuate is much different than what you need if you shelter in place. If I am evacuating then I am grabbing my "Go Bag" throwing it in the back seat of my truck and I am on the road. I will have enough food, water, medical supplies, and portable shelter to get me out of dodge. I will also have a rifle with 120 rounds of ammo in magazines, a pistol with 3 spare mags, and a revolver with several spare speed strips of ammo with both .357 and snakeshot.

If I was in the immediate area affected by the earthquake and survived the initial disaster then I am probably sheltering in place. That is where stockpiles of food, water, and ammo come in. Ammo is not as important as some people seem to think it is. Unless the end of the world comes you will never need 10,000 rounds of ammo for every gun you own. No one during Katrina that I am aware of went through more than 100 rounds for neighborhood defense (not even the guy in Algiers Point who supposedly shot 60 people). I'm not saying you shouldn't have more ammo than that on you but if you are preparing to go through 500 rounds a day for a month then you would be better served double checking your preparations for food, generators, fuel, and building supplies in case you need to make hasty repairs on your house.

fallout mike
March 11, 2011, 01:27 PM
I've got food and water for 3-4 months right now and adding more each week. I've got plenty of ammo also

March 11, 2011, 02:30 PM
I prefer the lever actions over the semi-autos due to their simplicity. 'Course, in some calibers there are no lever actions available, like .308WIN. Yeah, yeah, I know, there are bolt actions in those calibers, but I don't particularly care for bolt actions. Maybe I need to get a third semi-auto in .308. Yup. I'm convinced!

How about a Browning BLR? They are available in .308 Winchester.

March 11, 2011, 02:38 PM
It surprises me that shtf threads like these are usually lock up when there is ample proof that it is a legitimate occurrence. Our own coast was under tsunami warnings as was most of one of our states. The idea that the big one, be it earthquake, volcano, or meteor is more of a when than what if and planning and discussion is as relevant as being mugged at the ATM.
I feel fortunate to live in a state that will allow me to defend myself and others as well as help reestablish order should we suffer some catastrophic event. I strive to have 30 days supply of food and have wells available for water supply, being an outdoors man I have ample shelter alternatives and supplies should moving be required but transport at that point will become an issue to maintain the same level of comfort as staying in place.
I support the idea of a common rifle and 6-10 mags per person at the minimum and ideally a common pistol with 3-5 mags. Having some good bolt guns and shotguns as well as a couple 22lr pistols and rifles round out the armory for my family and friends.
Ammo is something that is for the most part nonperishable if stored properly and in many cases can be recovered from a disaster so having plenty extra is no crime.
World events that are happening before our eyes like disaster, civil unrest, (Wis) civil war, (North Africa and the Mid East) and the specter of rouge states and WMD keep telling me to be prepared. In these areas there are many hungry, desperate people I don't wish to join them.

Shawn Dodson
March 11, 2011, 02:58 PM
Me and my family have been through several earthquakes in Northern California and Washington state. My wife's first experience was the October 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake, which was an eye-opener for her. We lived on the 3rd floor of a three story apartment complex and I fully expected it to collapse at any moment during the violent temblor.

It struck at about 5 PM. We didn't get much sleep that night what with all the aftershocks. I had bug out gear ready to go at the door just in case. We "slept" in the living room near the front door. After the quake I moved our car from the parking lot under the apartment building to an open parking lot so we'd have something to live out of in the event a large aftershock made our home unliveable.

Night fell quickly. There was a lot of uncertainty about the extent of damage to the infrastructure in the area and the availability of government services. We'd seen news coverage about the Bay Bridge and Embarcadero freeway collapses, and when the power was lost at about 10 PM you could literally hear gasps of anxiety throughout the entire complex. The entire area was pitch black and eerily quiet. It immediately produced feelings of vulnerability.

March 11, 2011, 03:17 PM
Water, water, water. I cannot stress that enough, 1 gallon/person day. The rule of 3's applies. You can last 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water and 3 weeks without food. If you can't get to a place with intact infrastructure in 3 weeks, you might have a use for those guns and ammo, at least one of each.

Next would be first aid kit. But a bug out bag for yourself or your truck should already have that. Finally, food. Depending on if you are going to shelter in place or bug out your calorie needs per day will vary greatly. As wide a gap as 1,200 to 4,800 calories per day depending on activity and weather.

Guns are dead last, and we already have plenty of threads on what to have for SHTF.

March 11, 2011, 03:27 PM
I bet those saying a gun has such little importance would trade some of that precious water for one once the veil of reality is lifted and they understand that they must provide for all of their needs including security.
The same thugs that plague us today will be out in spades come a catastrophic disaster.
Weapons like food and water can be cached for later and they keep much better. They are every bit as important as food, shelter, water when you consider the security aspect. It's written in the 2a for a reason.

fallout mike
March 11, 2011, 03:34 PM
Exactly, if you don't have a gun and the scumbags do then they will take whatever you have. I've heard somebody say before they weren't concerned with a stash of food and water bc they had guns and could use them to get all the other stuff that they needed.

March 11, 2011, 03:41 PM
It's written in the 2a for a reason.

Yes, for defense against an invading force. Not a disaster.

And before you go saying "same thing!" it's absolutely not. An invasion or war may share some of the same characteristics as a disaster, but there is a difference.

Also, there is a difference between keeping a few firearms and a reasonable amount of ammo in hand for a rainy day and stockpiling. There are very few situations where a stockpile of guns and ammo will be useful, and many where it will be a non-issue at best, and a liability at worst.

Those of us who are advocating for people to pay attention to more practical items first aren't against the use and preparation of firearms in an emergency situation - we're just of the mindset that they're not the miracle disaster cure-all that many seem to think they are.

March 11, 2011, 03:44 PM
The fact is, our humanity may be set back 100 or more years in a protracted event and being gracious to strangers will be finite and the needs of our own might take precedent to the point of doing wrong ourselves so I think it best to be prepared for such events as those you describe mike.

March 11, 2011, 03:48 PM
Yes, for defense against an invading force. Not a disaster.
I'm sure there will more disagreement to that statement than mine but my feeling on 2a has as much to do with self reliance and personal defence against many possibilities beside an invading force.

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 11, 2011, 03:54 PM
Well, so much for reasonable discussion without SHTF nonsense. :rolleyes:

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