Price of caps up too. Silly me.


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Tallbald
March 11, 2011, 09:55 AM
I passed on $4.75 per hundred caps yesterday (CCI mag #11) thinking they were about $1 too high per tin. Went to another shop miles away only to find Dynamit-Noble caps running almost $8.00 per tin. I know about price increases in everything else, and all the associated costs rising, but am I way out of touch to be looking for $3.50 per tin? The caps were more expensive than magnum primers for cartridge loading! What's a budding BP lover to do? Don

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Mike OTDP
March 11, 2011, 10:06 AM
Shoot flintlock :-)

Seriously, I'm paying $60/1,000. Sometimes, you can get a large order (50,000 or more) together with a group and get a discount.

ClemBert
March 11, 2011, 11:16 AM
$4.99 at the local Gander Mountain for Remington or CCI/Winchester. Been that way for years.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
March 11, 2011, 12:30 PM
I'll be picking up another 20,000 at Friendship this year. Last year they were
36.00 a thousand. I know they won't be over 41.00

arcticap
March 11, 2011, 12:31 PM
A local distributor's current catalog lists CCI #10's, #11's & #11M's for $194.50 & $197.25 respectively for a case of 1,000 caps. And that's not including any state sales tax.
A $2 profit margin now days doesn't help to pay much overhead for those with a storefront I guess. And that profit margin is only if they can pick them up in person. If they need to pay for the Hazmat fee to get them shipped to their store then that increases the cost.
The last time that I received a deal was at a gun show when I happened to find a case of some very old Remington caps for $15.00.
But there's still a fee to enter the gun show and the expense to drive there. :)

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
March 11, 2011, 01:48 PM
You sure that isn't the price for 5,000 ? They wholesale here for 38.00 a m
and retail about 41-45 a M. The disturbeter pays about 30.00 a M

mykeal
March 11, 2011, 03:31 PM
$194.50 & $197.25 respectively for a case of 1,000 caps
That can't be right; must be 5,000. Even Cabela's (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Remington-Percussion-Caps/705046.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dpercussion%2Bcaps%26x%3D17%26y%3D9%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=percussion+caps&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products) is only charging $50/1000.

arcticap
March 11, 2011, 03:47 PM
You're both right, that is for a case of 5000.
And even $4 a tin seems to be a high distributor's price.
No wonder they're closing down their warehouse at the end of the month.

Pancho
March 11, 2011, 05:05 PM
Face it guys if you want stuff local and easy to get you better pay the extra little and encourage your local merchant to stock it. Consider all the costs when making a purchase.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
March 11, 2011, 06:22 PM
Here's the cheapest place I know for caps. 37.00 a thousand!!

http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/index.html


Click on Primers then CCI

arcticap
March 11, 2011, 11:54 PM
The Remington caps at Powder Valley are $4.40/100 which is $220 for 5000.
Gamaliel sells Remingtons for $39 per 1000, and charges $190 for 5000.

http://www.gamaliel.com/cart/home.php?cat=351

MidSouth Supply charges $37.03/1000 for CCI's.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/department.asp?dept=%4D%55%5A%5A%4C%45%4C%4F%41%44%49%4E%47&dept2=%43%4F%4D%50%4F%4E%45%4E%54%53&dept3=%43%41%50%53

Dixie has been known to not charge a hazmat fee for small quantities of caps.

http://dixiegun.com/

ClemBert
March 12, 2011, 11:11 AM
Once you slap on the hazmat fee and shipping you are back to where you started or even higher than the $4.99 at the local Gander Mountain. However, if you are placing a large order for powder with all your buds and slap some caps on top of the order it could work to your advantage.

mykeal
March 12, 2011, 03:39 PM
I believe (not sure about this) that they won't ship powder and caps together, thus requiring two :what: shipping charges and two :eek: hazmat charges. :cuss:

arcticap
March 12, 2011, 03:44 PM
Powder Valley is pretty clear that they will ship powder and primers together:

WE CAN COMBINE UP TO 48 LBS. OF POWDER AND PRIMERS UNDER ONE HAZMAT TO SAVE YOU MONEY. IF SENDING FUNDS IN ADVANCE, PLEASE CALL FOR ASSISTANCE IN CALCULATING YOUR AMOUNT.

http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/index.html

makos_goods
March 12, 2011, 04:06 PM
Powder Valley is pretty clear that they will ship powder and primers together:
Arcticap,
I wasn't aware that Powder Valley sold Black Powder. Have they started?

~Mako

junkman_01
March 12, 2011, 04:17 PM
I do not see BP on Powder Valley's website. But then again, articap knows everything and he didn't say they would ship BLACK powder and primers together!

arcticap
March 12, 2011, 04:30 PM
I believe (not sure about this) that they won't ship powder and caps together, thus requiring two shipping charges and two hazmat charges.

Mako, Mykeal didn't specify black powder and neither did I.

In checking with the Graf & Sons website, I learned they do charge 2 hazmat fees if ordering black powder and caps at the same time. But not when ordering a substitute powder with caps.
So it must not be legal to ship black powder in the same package with caps.

frontiergander
March 12, 2011, 05:17 PM
$10 per 100 for remington #11 caps. 209 primers are much cheaper.

makos_goods
March 12, 2011, 09:14 PM
Mako, Mykeal didn't specify black powder and neither did I.

In checking with the Graf & Sons website, I learned they do charge 2 hazmat fees if ordering black powder and caps at the same time. But not when ordering a substitute powder with caps.
So it must not be legal to ship black powder in the same package with caps.
Arcticap,
I guess I'm just confused, this is a Black Powder forum. If someone is buying percussion caps then why would they be concerned about them shipping with nitro powders?

Now if someone knows of a business that will ship BP and caps together under one hazmat fee then let us all know.

Powder Inc. comes the closest but they only sell musket caps. They have all of their prices set with the hazmat fee already built in. I wish they would start selling Remington caps.

~Mako

arcticap
March 12, 2011, 09:42 PM
Powder Valley sells a variety of powders which are discussed in the context of this Blackpowder shooting forum.
Pyrodex and 777 aren't nitro powders?
I've posted about Powder Valley's low sub. powder prices before.
Some folks reload for & shoot multiple guns across the entire spectrum of the THR forum including inlines, with 777, and also with the new Blackhorn 209 powder for which they're among the lowest priced.
And they load cartridges for conversion cylinders with powders other than black powder too.
But you already knew that, as well as the fact that not everyone on this board loads using black powder.
I guess that folks should try to maximize whatever hazmat fees they are paying to the fullest extent possible.

scrat
March 12, 2011, 10:18 PM
when the prices started to rise a few years ago i bought 10,000 so im still sitting PRERRY :)

makos_goods
March 13, 2011, 12:28 AM
Powder Valley sells a variety of powders which are discussed in the context of this Blackpowder shooting forum.
Pyrodex and 777 aren't nitro powders?
I've posted about Powder Valley's low sub. powder prices before.
Some folks reload for & shoot multiple guns across the entire spectrum of the THR forum including inlines, with 777, and also with the new Blackhorn 209 powder for which they're among the lowest priced.
And they load cartridges for conversion cylinders with powders other than black powder too.
But you already knew that, as well as the fact that not everyone on this board loads using black powder.
I guess that folks should try to maximize whatever hazmat fees they are paying to the fullest extent possible.
hmmmm...I guess if you lived in a locality that prohibited BP or you couldn't buy it locally, etc.

I'm actually familiar with Triple Seven, Black Mag3, Clear Shot, APP, Pinnacle and Pyrodex. As you also know some of those aren't available anymore. Over the years I've tried the last four. My impression is that it was sort of like kissing your sister...

Yeah, yeah I know they may have some charcoal or another carbon based fuel like a carborized sugar. Some even have traces of sulfur and potassium nitrate in them, or in the case of Pyrodex it is a desensitized "BP."

What amazes me we will spend days talking about the best lubricants for BP, or whether or not BP is compatible with different petroleum products and someone doesn't even blink when we just shift gears in the middle of a discussion and you could be talking about almost anything and not true BP.

In fact several of the afore mentioned powders actually behave more like smokeless powders when it comes to cleaning and and lubrication requirements. And here we sit talking about things more specific to the actual holy black.

I was just disappointed, the reason I know they (Powder Valley) didn't sell BP is that I went and looked hoping they did. Because BP along with caps with a single hazmat fee would actually be useful.

Regards,
Mako

GaryNConcord
March 13, 2011, 01:05 AM
I read this thread earlier tonight, and just happened to pick up a Cabelas shooting flyer that came in the mail yesterday. On the front page beside a listing for primers: Shipping regs require primers and powder, even if on the same order, to be shipped in separate packages. My emphasis and paraphrasing. Now this was in reference to some small rifle primers, but I'd have to guess it'd hold for caps and BP. The note went on to say there would be two separate $20 hazmat charges with shipping fees.

arcticap
March 13, 2011, 01:36 AM
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