What Would You Consider A Fair Price (Gun Safe)


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clvickers
March 11, 2011, 11:05 PM
I'm looking at purchasing a Liberty National NS-50 Gun Safe. What would you consider to be a fair price TTT (Tax/Tag/Title) Delivered and Installed?

I've got a price of $5034 right now.

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oneounceload
March 11, 2011, 11:11 PM
Have you looked at your local locksmiths to see if they have a nice used one from a trade-in?

Shadow 7D
March 11, 2011, 11:41 PM
Craigslist and local interwebz listing services usally have some listed and the price is broken down basically two ways,

Might as well buy new (bought for $2300, willing to accept 1800) and I can find one, or similar for 1300-1500

Getting out of dodge, cost more to move this than buy a new one, bought it for 1500, will take 500 OBO....

Rembrandt
March 11, 2011, 11:45 PM
That price is about right and in the ball park.....to have it delivered and installed is a bonus. I have the same safe only under the National Security name, they are heavy and not easy to move. Mine's over 1500 lbs. The price depends a little on what options you get....gold treatments, lights, leather interior, etc.

KSDeputy
March 12, 2011, 12:07 PM
Before buying a gun safe check with A.G. English, in Broken Arrow, OK. They have a website. I bought 2 Fort Knox safes from them and love them. Both have electronic keypads to open them, dehumidifiers, and fire resistant. Fort Knox is rated as one of the best brands of safes.

Shadow 7D
March 12, 2011, 03:57 PM
OK
NO
sorry, but for that money, you could buy a UL 'B' rated REAL safe...
look used also, it's a RSC with 4 layers of drywall and gold trim....

hey I got a Honda I'll sell you at a corvette's price.

Sooner1911
March 12, 2011, 07:47 PM
I think that is a fair price for that particular safe, but do you really want to spend $5k on a safe? I spent about $2K on a 46 gun safe with the Omega fire protection that is like 1700 degrees for 75 or 90 minutes. Think about the temperature of a typical house fire as well as the likelihood of a fire burning for that many minutes before FD response. The same safe runs about $2900 now at David's Gun Room in Atlanta. I think a Goldenrod dehumidifier is like $40 and I use stick up lights or a flashlight in my safe. The accessory panels for the doors run about $150 IIRC. +1 on English in Broken Arrow. They will deliver to your drive and you can usually get an install for $150. If it is what you want, get that one. Can you get a perfectly workable new safe for less? Yes. Just my $.02.

darton2117
March 13, 2011, 03:22 AM
did some lookin around and decided on the fort knox defender 6637 safe to put in my double wide mobile home they seem to be about the best made from what I see on the net, only thing that bothers me is the weight of the safe (1130lbs) if the safe doesnt crash through the floor getting it in place I.ll be set

Sunray
March 13, 2011, 03:34 AM
"...safe doesn't crash through the floor..." Hi. That'd be something you should look into before you buy. Seriously doubt any mobile home floor will hold 1130 lbs.
Five grand for a gun safe is insane unless you live in a fire trap home and have very high end firearms and have no insurance.

darton2117
March 13, 2011, 03:48 AM
talked with the guy who is a fort knox dealer/installer he told me he has put several of these in mobile homes with no probs just gotta reinforce floor under safe, will be placed over cinder block pillar over two 2x10 floor joists directly over the steel beam under house

hermannr
March 13, 2011, 04:09 AM
Darton! Be careful. It can happen. I have seen a 1500lb gun safe go through a double wide floor. Friend of mine sold his property and was moving out of his house (the double wide). Of course, because the safe weighed so much he had every buddy, and buddy's buddy there to help move that monster. We had it on a piano dolly. The dolly went through the living room floor.

I would suggest you get a couple sheets of 5/8" or so OSB to run the dolly over when you are going through the house.

darton2117
March 13, 2011, 04:27 AM
ohh yeah sure hope the floor holds up was thinking on using 3/4" plywood for the dolly to roll over, thats gonna worry me the most getting it into place might use two layers of 3/4" plywood to move it through the house,

reuben mishler
March 13, 2011, 09:48 AM
This might sound strange, but I think I'd rather have 2 medium size safes then just one large one. I probably wouldn't spend more then 1200 on each one.

CB900F
March 13, 2011, 04:47 PM
Clvickers;

I'll suggest contacting these folks: C. E. Safe & Security Products, Inc. (36.17 mi)
4100 N. Powerline Road, B3
Pompano Beach, FL 33073
954-977-8499

They are, as am I, a Graffunder dealer. If you do a search here, you should be able to find quite a bit of information about the differences between a true safe and an RSC also. You'll find most of those posts are either by A1abdj or myself.

900F

hermannr
March 13, 2011, 06:34 PM
darton: OSB is better than plywood for this purpose.

Plywood has voids (especially these days) that the wheels of the dolly can break into and that will stop your forward momentum. May not break into the floor, but it will definately slow you down and make movement difficult.

OSB (Oriented Strand Board) does not have any internal voids to break into. That is why the floor underlay is probably OSB if your home is relatively new.

rfwobbly
March 13, 2011, 09:02 PM
My local CraigsList has a guy that sells used safes from jewelry stores, data storage, pawn shops, banks and such. A great many of these are large enough for long guns, some you can even walk into. His prices are in the $300-$600 range. All are American made name-brand stuff like Diebold. All of them seem to be made from 1/2 steel or better.

That leads me to believe that 10 ga steel gun safes in the $1200 to $1800 range are a bad deal.

clvickers
March 14, 2011, 02:10 PM
Just to give a couple of things I'm looking for in a Gun Safe/Container:


Made in USA
External Hinges in order to support 180 Deg opening of Door(s)
Support 35 Long Guns (Minimum)
Fire Rating of 90 Minutes or more
10 Gauge Minimum with Preference for 7 Gauge Steel
72” height in order to support storage of additional items above long guns on shelving (i.e. additional Pistols, papers, etc)
Internal Electrical Support for Lighting/Golden Rod use


I also have to move this over a floor made up of 12" Tile over a concrete slab during install.

I also do understand the difference between an RSC vs a TL-15/30 Safe.

Shadow 7D
March 14, 2011, 05:33 PM
Moving a safe isn't difficult, ask any of the pros here
A 12" can be overcome with either a lifting or stair dolly or simply laying the safe down on rollers at the stairs,

two people and easy move a large safe if they know what they are doing.

heeler
March 14, 2011, 07:57 PM
Clvickers,having been down this road I can tell you after a lot of research I totally abandoned anything Liberty and concentrated on American Security,Sturdy,and Fort Knox after comparing them against those I mentioned.
I eventually chose the American Security BF 66X36 in Oct. of 09 and paid $2299.00 for it before tax and installation and would put it up against any Liberty safe currently being made.
Those Graffunders are really nice but it's doubtful you can get close to the same size and price as what was quoted on the Liberty.

Shadow 7D
March 14, 2011, 08:08 PM
Clvickers;

I'll suggest contacting these folks: C. E. Safe & Security Products, Inc. (36.17 mi)
4100 N. Powerline Road, B3
Pompano Beach, FL 33073
954-977-8499

They are, as am I, a Graffunder dealer. If you do a search here, you should be able to find quite a bit of information about the differences between a true safe and an RSC also. You'll find most of those posts are either by A1abdj or myself.

900F

This is a guy who does safes for a living

A1abdj
Check out some of his threads... some of the stuff (private vaults) he shown on here, that he has either worked on or build, WOW...

both say that you should realize that a RSE is little more that a prettified tin can with a lock...

Would you rather spend 5 grand on a pretty can, or actually buy something that can stop a thief for 15 minutes, just not as pretty.

darton2117
March 25, 2011, 02:48 AM
just got that fort knox safe in today all 1130lbs worth in my mobile home only broke two steps on back deck and got it in place with no other problems using 3/4 inch plywood planks throughout house, dude had a motorized hand truck with rubber cleated tracks looked like a bulldozer, floor never creaked good weight distribution, talk about being nervious I could just anticapate that safe breakin through the floor

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