Rude guy at the range....third time.


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Jaybird78
March 12, 2011, 05:49 PM
Went to the range today with my B-I-L and his son. We were shooting a little bit of both shotgun and rimfire rifles when we decided to move to the 200yrd range.

The 200 yrd range just had a new raised berm with retaining wall put in and so the permanant firing line is all mud. We moved over 20 feet from the far right lane and set up on undisturbed soil. This is the only place to set up besides moving forward of the firing line(berm). We shoot for 10 mins or so and then HE shows up.

He is the same guy I have had run ins with on two other dates (1 yr ago and 5-6 yrs ago). He says at first we can't shoot from were we are at because we aren't on the permanant firing line. "It's totally mud and I don't want to tear it up....or get muddy or shoot in front of the line." He then tells me I need to move my targets laterally so I'm not muzzle pointing towards the access road at my angle. "What are you talking about?, I would have to turn at a 45 degree angle to even get near the road and that wouldn't be any different then if I was firing from the permanant berm." Then he tells me to move again and I refuse. "We are being perfectly safe. "

Now he blurts out he wants to see my membership card. "I said the only way you are seeing my card is if you have yours out first." He then insults my weight, that he remembers me from before and that I have gained weight. I said "Yeah I have gained some weight and I see your still an <removed>."

He mentions that I can report him to the committee if I want and that he runs the CMP shoots. " I don't give a <removed> what you run and go get bent."

He then turns away and drives off.

This is the only guy I have ever had problems with. Should I mention the last two incidents were the fact I was there first and he wanted to use a conflicting range where both can't be live at the same time.

Just wanted to get it off my chest. Constructive comments?

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Shadow 7D
March 12, 2011, 05:55 PM
Do what he said,
Approach the range management and explain what happened, and how you didn't want to damage the shooting positions and had moved to what you thought was best, and ask THEM, how to handle it.

EddieNFL
March 12, 2011, 05:57 PM
...he runs the CMP shoots.

I've been a match director off and on for more than 25 years. I would never use that to bolster my argument.

coolfem
March 12, 2011, 06:08 PM
Good on ya for not taking his crap ! Sounds like the guy needs s/thing else to think about instead of s/ones weight fps

The Lone Haranguer
March 12, 2011, 06:11 PM
Now he blurts out he wants to see my membership card.
"I will show a range officer or other range employee my membership card. You, I don't show jack <non-THR language>."

Dulvarian
March 12, 2011, 06:37 PM
I would call management for the range.

The guy probably has a closer interaction with them on a more routine basis is he runs shoots there. Politics might go against you in this, and there are politics everywhere. I would get on the phone ASAP.

Gouranga
March 12, 2011, 06:40 PM
Yeah i would definitely talk to management. If they defend them, I would personally cancel membership and never go there again. There are proper ways to handle things. He did not do that. It is one thing if you are being grossly unsafe but trying to shoot and not destroy the firing line, that is completely uncalled for.

That guy will cause a physical incident with someone sooner or later.

Onmilo
March 12, 2011, 06:41 PM
Let him report you.
If your range is like mine, they will want to hear your side of the story before they make any decisions.

Jerks are Jerks and I am sure his jerkyness doesn't apply to just you, others will have had run ins with him and the range officials are probably very aware of his behavior.

buck460XVR
March 12, 2011, 07:06 PM
Do what he said,
Approach the range management and explain what happened, and how you didn't want to damage the shooting positions and had moved to what you thought was best, and ask THEM, how to handle it.


I would call management for the range.

The guy probably has a closer interaction with them on a more routine basis is he runs shoots there. Politics might go against you in this, and there are politics everywhere. I would get on the phone ASAP.


Yep.......if he's one of the "good ol' boys" odds are he'll have the edge if it comes down to his word vs yours. Getting your side of the story in first may give them a better perspective due to open-mindedness, as compared to hearing his side first.

loadedround
March 12, 2011, 07:23 PM
Jaybird:
I've been shooting for over 40 years and presently belong to three gun clubs and have noticed one thing: "Every range has it's own idiot in residence". Good you standing your ground.

o Unforgiven o
March 12, 2011, 07:29 PM
My Grandma teaches Pre-School to 4 year olds, and whenever they have a problem with each other she tells them this;

You do what you want over there and I'll do what I want over here. If you don't like it, tough. (I love you Grandma ;))

As long as you were being safe, this is what I would do.

earplug
March 12, 2011, 07:35 PM
You set up your targets, then moved to the right due to the mud.
You were alone at the time and it wasn't a issue.
This other guy tries to correct your cross firing and your two had a argument. The CMP guy voluntarily runs matches so others can enjoy the sport of high power and get a CMP rifle. He runs into rude people all the time.
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.
On our range we can challenge others as to their membership if its not showing. Keeps out people who are not members.
Relax and plan ahead. Lose some weight if you want to shoot prone.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
March 12, 2011, 07:35 PM
Everyone has excellent responses.

Only do the following if you are the kind of person who doesn't care a bit what someone thinks of him, after all, you know you are in the right!

Here's a funny and totally safe prank you can play:
Next time he comes, put a bra and tutu on over your clothes and just be real friendly with him.

Then you may drive him away for good whenever you are there.

A fake rose in your teeth may add to the effect - let him think you are off your rocker. Talk to him in riddles, words that don't even make up sentences and make the right side of your face and eye kind of drooped. Have the person with you mumble something about your stroke.

FC
March 12, 2011, 07:43 PM
I would definitely speak to the committee and let them know what happened and just how much of a jerk this guy is. I bet you won't be the first, guys like that drive away people who want to learn or practice.

Onward Allusion
March 12, 2011, 08:04 PM
Jaybird78 (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=49880)
Rude guy at the range....third time.Yeah, report him. Odds are if he runs matches, he probably has a bit of weight behind him, but that still doesn't excuse his rude behavior. BTW, at which club did this happen? Wasn't Aurora, or St Charles was it?

NMGonzo
March 12, 2011, 08:18 PM
He wants your sexy body.

He commented on it.

john1911
March 12, 2011, 11:38 PM
So, you weren't firing from a designated firing position? You randomly chose a place as to avoid the mud? Whether or not he was rude, it sounds to me that you were in the wrong.

THE DARK KNIGHT
March 12, 2011, 11:41 PM
Personally I would not have gotten into a confrontation with him. Call me a chicken but I would NOT get into ANY sort of argument anywhere near a firing range. Who knows if the guy would have decided to do something foolish. I would have let cooler heads prevail and taken it to club management on Monday.

Quoheleth
March 12, 2011, 11:43 PM
Talk to him in riddles, words that don't even make up sentences and make the right side of your face and eye kind of drooped. Have the person with you mumble something about your stroke.


I am not trying to be overly sensitive and I know you are trying to be funny.

But, you missed with this one.

Q

Black Knight
March 12, 2011, 11:45 PM
You are way to nice of a person. He should be glad its you. I know people that if he had been that way to he'd be missing some teeth. Don't do that but do file a FORMAL complaint with the range's board of directors. They will be more than glad to settle an issue. This clown is looking for the right person and unfortunately (for him) they will meet someday.

JR47
March 13, 2011, 12:52 PM
I would report the incident, in writing, as well as verbally. Make sure that there is mention of his insulting you about your physical appearance. Unless the range has a weight standard, he was simply harassing you from there on out.

The fact that he "runs the CMP matches" is meaningless in the context it appears in. "Running the Matches" may, for him, mean the person who posts notices, and handles the paperwork, while others handle the actual range work.

Based on your story, it would appear that he was in error, not you.

Yarddog
March 13, 2011, 01:00 PM
3rd Time you had a run-in with guy, I think I'd ask him if he teaches H2H & then SCHOOL him ; )
Y/D

AK103K
March 13, 2011, 01:15 PM
Id ask around with the other members there too, youre probably not the only person he's "annoyed". I think you'll find you have a few allies who are about sick of him too.

Most of these people have no power in their lives and once somebody gives them some, even if its only perceived, it goes right to their heads. We call it Little "gun" (you get the point) syndrome at work. They always have to show you how important they are, and if they can make you look bad while doing it, all the better for their self esteem. Just your typical range Nazi.

Ive dealt with a couple of these boys over the years, and they always seem to end up being a RO, or minor member of the board, etc, at some point, and are always hovering over anyone they think might need "correction", which is basically everyone. Many times to the point of being unsafe. Thats usually a good point to bring up the the club too. Unsafe acts tend to carry more weight, especially if it gets reported out of house.

SharpsDressedMan
March 13, 2011, 02:03 PM
Always be the first to report bad behavior. You are not really a "rat", but you'll appear to be more professional, and concerned about GOOD behavior at the range. Kind of a pre-emptive strike, and it looks better if you go to the range management rather than having them come looking for you if the other guy pitches a complaint.

Warrior Honey
March 13, 2011, 02:40 PM
I would call management for the range.

The guy probably has a closer interaction with them on a more routine basis is he runs shoots there. Politics might go against you in this, and there are politics everywhere. I would get on the phone ASAP.


I'm a volunteer range officer for my local private club and I would follow the advice posted above, ASAP!!

Jaybird78
March 13, 2011, 03:27 PM
I will call on Monday and talk to the president elect. There is NO signage showing that the 200 yrd range is shutdown. I'll see what he says.

Also this is a private club and on the honor system. With me being there first I am designated "range officer" at THAT particular range unless I give up duties or leave.

We were shooting from the prone position. You are also allowed to shoot sitting and standing at the 200yard range. (300/600 yard range is PRONE ONLY)

Regarding my weight, I am 6'3 and 300 lbs. I realize that I am overweight but I'm not "portly" by any means. The GUY was more overweight than myself and I believe he was just trying to get me frustrated and do SOMETHING stupid to HIM.


It just leaves me sour, there is a "old boys club" clique at the range. Two years ago at the annual meeting a member (joined same year as me about 12 years ago) volunteered as "member-at-large" and was voted by hand YES. The Membership secretary stood up and thanked him but the club needed "someone" with more experiece with the club.

This club has the nicest range (up to 600yrds) within a 2+ hour drive. I believe they have 700 members and the range is usually not very busy as long as a match is not in progress. So I'm not just going to pack up and quit for ONE difficult person and the typical politics.

altitude_19
March 13, 2011, 11:31 PM
The best battle is the one you don't have to fight. I've been "carded" by Joe Nobodies at the range...usually over something stupid like wearing reading glasses before I had my prescription shooting glasses. I don't play "show me yours too!" I just say no. I have even had them voluntarily show me theirs and RE-demand I show them mine...I still say no. Sometimes I laugh too. Don't argue with idiots.

viper21773
March 13, 2011, 11:51 PM
Jaybird78,
I don't know your club or its rules but at my club we have another shooting range to the left and a river to the right so crossfiring is strictly forbidden. All members must pass a firearms safety test and receive a RO badge in order to use the ranges. Any member may request to see the credentials of anyone on our ranges at any time - and it is understood by the membership
that compliance is mandatory and non-compliance will be dealt with by the B.O.D

Shoot Safe & Often

JTHunter
March 14, 2011, 12:24 AM
It is too late for this incident, but considering how many "pocket-sized" video cameras are on the market for less than $100 (many for less than $50), maybe a camcorder slipped in a shirt pocket to record at least the audio portion would put his own words against him.
Just a thought. *weg*

Joe Demko
March 14, 2011, 12:41 AM
Every gun club has one of these clowns, including mine. It isn't uncommon for them to hold minor positions of authority. I had one launch into a purple-in-the-face rant at me a couple years back over my signing in on the "wrong clipboard." I asked around about him and found that he wasn't really well liked but did volunteer to do stuff like be RO on days the range was open to the public. I was also told his age and health issues make him grouchy.
I haven't been bothered by him since, so his finding out I was just asking questions about him might have been enough. YMMV.

gym
March 14, 2011, 01:06 AM
I would invite him to settle this man to man. if all else fails. Just a good old ass wooping. You may loose, but chances are he won't bother you again. and don't be suprised if he trys to get out of it and become your buddy. Usually the hollow log makes the most noise. I would ask whoever is in chatge if it is ok with them. They will probablly be fine with it. Just tell him that he is a blowhard and you don't plan on listening to his crap unless it has to do with a violation you commited, otherwise ride on cowboy. Some times we all have to take a beating to preservre our self respect. I bet you can take him.
And that is high road, up front and to the point, he's abusing you.

ljnowell
March 14, 2011, 01:14 AM
would invite him to settle this man to man. if all else fails. Just a good old ass wooping. You may loose, but chances are he won't bother you again. and don't be suprised if he trys to get out of it and become your buddy. Usually the hollow log makes the most noise. I would ask whoever is in chatge if it is ok with them. They will probablly be fine with it. Just tell him that he is a blowhard and you don't plan on listening to his crap unless it has to do with a violation you commited, otherwise ride on cowboy. Some times we all have to take a beating to preservre our self respect. I bet you can take him.
And that is high road, up front and to the point, he's abusing you.

That is absolutely ridiculous. Suggesting that they resort to violence to solve this issue is immature at best and reckless at worst. Fighting around guns is more than foolish. In fact if I go any further in critiquing your post I am afraid that i will violate the TOS and get myself in trouble.

OP violence will not solve it, this isnt the wild west and that path will surely lead to expulsion from the club at best and a violent felony on your record at worst, resulting in a loss of gun rights.

788Ham
March 14, 2011, 01:29 AM
At our gun club range, if not a visitor, you have to wear an ID badge at all times, on the front of jacket/shirt. Even if everyone knows you, if you forget it, home you go!

Zoogster
March 14, 2011, 01:53 AM
The guy had a problem with how you were shooting.
How you were shooting made sense to you. How you were shooting violated convention (not designated spot) and made him feel it was wrong.

He let you know how he felt.
You didn't wish to change.
He wanted to know who you were at a membership only range.


Personally besides his possible attitude I don't really see anything wrong up to that point.

You may have good points and what you were doing may have been fine, but it certainly wasn't conventional.
It made him feel it was a problem.
Any range where people do shoot in an unsafe way can result in closure of the range, and so it certainly is every members' business when someone else is felt to be jeopardizing that.


He may not have had a valid point, but he felt he did, and if someone feels they have a valid safety concern there is nothing wrong with voicing it, especially at a private members only range.
You were rude when he wanted to see the details of who you are, and he became rude.
Both sides show immaturity at that point with name calling and swearing. He leaves, clearly not getting what he wanted but not willing to escalate the situation any further.

Much of the board here agrees with you because you are the one telling the story with only your point of view, and you are a member here.




What you were doing may have been entirely safe, and he could have just been being ridiculous, but some people are only comfortable with exactly by the book or feel anything else poses a danger, and where you were shooting from was not by the book.
Two people disagree as members of a club. The proper action would seem to be getting someone else involved or reporting the issue to someone else so some manager or others could resolve the situation. Yet you specifically don't give him your information to readily take the issue to someone else.
Childish name calling swearing and hostility on a firing range with guns present is certainly not an ideal situation.

I could just have agreed with your perspective like many other posters, but a different perspective could be more beneficial.


To play devil's advocate:
Allowing some to 'break the rules', even when safe, can also invite others to break the rules because they saw someone else doing it, and they may not do it in such a safe manner. So stopping all things done unconventionally sometimes really is the best option.
The next guy that comes along shooting to one side of the berm may choose a worse angle or otherwise really pose a safety concern, but they see no problem with it because they saw you or others doing what they feel is the same thing.
While you may not be such an individual, I do know there is people that take severe offense to anyone having the nerve to question anything they are doing. Taking any critique as a personal attack and becoming defensive.
There is a whole bunch of people out there for example that interpret the honking of a vehicle horn as a personal attack, no different than swearing at them, perhaps because that is how they use the horn. Yet I have used the horn just to let people know I am there when it looks like someone is changing lanes or turning into my area and doesn't see me.
Perspective can play a big role, and there is many people out there that have such a bitter perspective they feel any correction from others is a personal attack or challenge, but not everyone sees things in that manner.

xcgates
March 14, 2011, 02:33 AM
I would first suggest you ignore any suggestions of behaving like a schoolboy settling some 'score' out back in the yard.

Second, every range I've been to (not that many, admittedly) had a rule that anyone could demand to see anyone elses range card. Heck, at one range that was in the middle of nowhere, the cops would stop by, and if you were not familiar, they would chat you up after checking out your card. I asked to see theirs, they showed me theirs, and explained how it was convinient for the town and the range that they stop by to check in if they were nearby and heard anyone shooting. (They were all members, and there had been problems before, so that, and a couple cameras on a usually empty range were good security)

I am also quite sure I don't have a very good mental image of the lay of the land, however seeing how easily ranges have been temporarily or permanently closed due to the actions of a very few, good, solid self-policing is indeed in order. How many times do posters here complain about idiots being unsafe at ranges?

Handle it like an adult would; discuss the situation with whatever group runs the range.

ReadyontheRight
March 14, 2011, 02:41 AM
earplug: Lose some weight if you want to shoot prone.

???:confused:

Ignition Override
March 14, 2011, 03:40 AM
Joe Demko:

Being treated like that due to scribbles of ink on the wrong clipboard?!

I would have told that guy that he owed me an apology, for whatever reason he got mad, Especially for something that is small chicken ****.
Note-my problem is that it might take me a while to think of the words to use in a proper, coherent response, even hours, as I learned years ago to let things bounce off.
But then I don't see the person again for a while, after choosing the proper words and mood for an encounter.

He would not be allowed to work at the private club MSSA, near Memphis.

LkWinnipesaukee
March 14, 2011, 09:35 AM
OP, are you the same Jaybird on SBN?

My vote is for "talk to the club committee and cancel them membership if they do nothing."

gym
March 14, 2011, 05:23 PM
There is nothinhg wrong with two men who cannot come to terms with each other engaging in in an argument settling boxing match, where the worse thing that happens is someone gets a bloody nose, Ot go to a guy and settle it with gloves and head gear on. If it bothered you enough to post it. You even said he ws trying to get you to do something stupid. So instead do something smart. Have a sanctioned match. It's no more rediculous than putting it up for discussion in a forum with folks you don't know.
People like the guy you mentioned prey on the weak, if he get's away wit it he's going to keep needling you. He will most likelly back down once he sees that you are prepared to stand your ground. You are the only one who can help yourself. It seems he has insulted you in public and in front of your son, there are times when a man must take a stand, and not be afraid of a bully. Good luck, he's not going away, can tell you that from studying the human psycology with bullies for many years. And "telling" on him will only fuel the fire. Now he will attempt to embarass you even more. I am rarelly wrong about people and this is a sterotypical bully you have encountered. Remove the guns and you will see a man alone with his fear.

Claude Clay
March 14, 2011, 05:54 PM
21 years at 'my' private club;
always had 1 jerk/ PIA. he was tolerated as has been mentioned--ran a league ( bullseye in this case) and volunteered for everyting till he was default At-Large BOG member.
time passes and 'they' find each other.
and than vote each other small positions--at first.
3 years ago was the tipping point and now the nit-picking puffed chest bunch run the place to suit themselves; have even been caught re-writing rules to validate their actions.
fight or flight........i'm packing up with springs arrival.

if its worth doing something--sooner works cause later may be too late.

only up side to learning about how BOG's operate is its preparing me for condo assosiations...sigh

yeti
March 14, 2011, 06:31 PM
engaging in in an argument settling boxing match

I like the way you think.

The annual club picnic is in June, the ranges are closed; could set up a rudimentary boxing ring, couple pair of gloves, some headgear, and mouth pieces... it would assure quiet for the entire rest of the year.

Sounds much more 'grown up' than having folks moaning "mommy, he looking at me!!"

Suggest it to your range, maybe they could sell tickets for Wraslen on the 200yd Range Night.

Joe Demko
March 14, 2011, 06:47 PM
Joe Demko:

Being treated like that due to scribbles of ink on the wrong clipboard?!

I would have told that guy that he owed me an apology, for whatever reason he got mad, Especially for something that is small chicken ****.

He would not be allowed to work at the private club MSSA, near Memphis.

At the time the incident happened, I told him in a normal conversational voice, twice, to please stop shouting. That got him down to just a rolling boil. I then signed in on the "right clipboard." He demanded to see my card (legitimate request) and then checked to see if I had paid the fees for my guests (legitimate). He wanted to carp at me some more, but I asked him in a normal conversational tone of voice just what it was_exactly_he wanted me to do. He kind of flounced off in a huff at that point.
Some folks can't handle any power at all. Other guys think that because there were guns in basic training and DI's scream at people, that any kind of rule enforcement involving guns requires screaming. Just because those people act like jerks doesn't mean I have to also.

mustang_steve
March 14, 2011, 07:24 PM
Yes, as mentioned go talk to the range management about this guy. He has some problems well beyond his dislike of what you were doing.

I probably would have verbally tore into him over the personal attacks...that's completely uncalled for in any circumstance if he is who he claims he is.

My guess is he's a nobody who's trying to grandstand...in that case I'd hope he gets permanently removed.

jeepmor
March 14, 2011, 07:34 PM
What a piece of work, complain about his demeanor. Him huffing about running certain events and being unprofessional towards you does not represent the club properly, let them know.

ljnowell
March 15, 2011, 02:46 AM
There is nothinhg wrong with two men who cannot come to terms with each other engaging in in an argument settling boxing match, where the worse thing that happens is someone gets a bloody nose, Ot go to a guy and settle it with gloves and head gear on. If it bothered you enough to post it. You even said he ws trying to get you to do something stupid. So instead do something smart. Have a sanctioned match. It's no more rediculous than putting it up for discussion in a forum with folks you don't know.
People like the guy you mentioned prey on the weak, if he get's away wit it he's going to keep needling you. He will most likelly back down once he sees that you are prepared to stand your ground. You are the only one who can help yourself. It seems he has insulted you in public and in front of your son, there are times when a man must take a stand, and not be afraid of a bully. Good luck, he's not going away, can tell you that from studying the human psycology with bullies for many years. And "telling" on him will only fuel the fire. Now he will attempt to embarass you even more. I am rarelly wrong about people and this is a sterotypical bully you have encountered. Remove the guns and you will see a man alone with his fear
Once again, felony charge = loss of firearm rights. Stupid idea.

ghostwriter
March 15, 2011, 03:03 AM
go to mgmt, explain what happened, your feelings about the situation, provide witness info in case they want to verify your statements and volunteer to take over his duties if they think he's too much of a problem and keep him just because there's no one else to do it. Here's your chance to get into the inner circle (if you can.). And... smile when you say that.

Ignition Override
March 15, 2011, 03:15 AM
Joe:

It was sort of difficult for me to use a calm voice with my ex-wife (20 years ago), as she spoke almost every time in a very ugly tone during multiple phone calls.
The more often I put the phone down (quietly, on a soft surface) and walked away, the less she could try to spoil my day. Somehow I never lowered myself to screaming or even raising my voice with her.

Reflecting back on that time, it appears that you did the right thing, and kept your breathing under control etc, considering that you were probably unprepared for such treatment, as any of us might be, depending on previous encounters.

These type of people often live by what Shakespeare said: "Misery loves company", and always remembering this statement was my policy with the ex. That's all that these people really want to do, by way of trying to bully, if that motivation applies to the very rude jerk (I could be wrong). Many of those types have felt very small (mentally) for a while-maybe for their entire life.

Jaybird78
March 15, 2011, 10:53 AM
My brother-in-law called me Sunday night. He went to the range with a few of his friends (ex military) Sunday afternoon. They drove past a few guys shooting from the same spot at the 200 yard range. He then noticed the plates on one of the vechicles has the LAST name of a different match director (but not on committee).

I asked if he stopped and talked to them but he said no, he had to get his friends back home. He brought up the idea of calling this match director and get his opinion on the 200yard range being open or closed.

He knew exactly what member I was talking about. He said he has seen others shoot from the disputed position and that he was out there on Sunday but he wasn't shooting. He mentioned that it is a GRAY area concerning the 200yrd range on it's present condition. He made it sound like it's been brought up before but he can't recall a decision being made if the 200 yard is closed or not.

I asked him if I should bring up the "incident" or the range question with someone higher up on the committee. He said "No, I will make some calls and get the answers, I would like to know myself and a decision needs to be made on the range." He said he would try to call back in a few days and let me know any information.

[QUOTE][OP, are you the same Jaybird on SBN?/QUOTE] No, I don't know what SBN is. :)

Some one else asked about what club I'm at. I don't want to "slander" the club for one rude guy but the two that you mentioned are NOT it.

I'm sure I will be back this next weekend, I will try to remember to bring a camera for picks. Biggest problem will be getting them downloaded to the forum as I'm not computer savy at all.

BikerRN
March 15, 2011, 11:06 AM
I would call management for the range.

The guy probably has a closer interaction with them on a more routine basis is he runs shoots there. Politics might go against you in this, and there are politics everywhere. I would get on the phone ASAP.

This!!! ^^^^^^

Ky Larry
March 15, 2011, 11:09 AM
This is the same guy we all run into at the gas station, super market, barber shop,bar,street corner and work. There's always one in every crowd. I would speak to the clubs officers. With the attitude you describe, he has probably had run ins with others. If enough people come forward, maybe they'll revoke his membership.

Arkansas Paul
March 15, 2011, 11:45 AM
Regarding my weight, I am 6'3 and 300 lbs. I realize that I am overweight but I'm not "portly" by any means. The GUY was more overweight than myself and I believe he was just trying to get me frustrated and do SOMETHING stupid to HIM.


It doesn't matter if you're 5'5" and 550 lbs. Mentioning your weight was juvenile and shows you the kind of person you're dealing with.


I would invite him to settle this man to man. if all else fails. Just a good old ass wooping. You may loose, but chances are he won't bother you again. and don't be suprised if he trys to get out of it and become your buddy. Usually the hollow log makes the most noise. I would ask whoever is in chatge if it is ok with them. They will probablly be fine with it. Just tell him that he is a blowhard and you don't plan on listening to his crap unless it has to do with a violation you commited, otherwise ride on cowboy. Some times we all have to take a beating to preservre our self respect. I bet you can take him.
And that is high road, up front and to the point, he's abusing you.


This is even more juvenile and downright absurd! We're not in Junior High anymore people.
Do what the majority of the people here are suggesting and let the range officials know. If that's the kind of conduct they condone then you probably don't want to be associated with people like that anyway.

jcwit
March 15, 2011, 12:12 PM
Having read this thread on and off for the last couple of days about all I can accuratly say is,

I wasn't there, and we're only getting one side of the story.

zxcvbob
March 15, 2011, 12:30 PM
Talk to him in riddlesThat's really hard to do! (try it sometime)

AK103K
March 15, 2011, 12:36 PM
If you really want to annoy him, just repeat back to him everything he says. :)

gym
March 15, 2011, 01:33 PM
It's not a felony if they both agree. And it's a lot more grown up than moaning in here. Some idiot insults you 3 times in front of your kids and you don't know what to do.

Sam1911
March 15, 2011, 02:00 PM
I would invite him to settle this man to man.Oh good Lord. :scrutiny:

Enough already, before we get any more advice to waller in the mud like 'true gentlemen.'

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