Custom Mosin Nagant Idea


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LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 05:16 AM
*Bubba bashing is unwelcome. I have an M1944 that I don't plan on bubba-ing, but I've had this idea for an old M91/30 or other that has been through hell with no rifling and very badly chewed up stock.

I have here an idea for a fully customized Mosin Nagant. Modifications, and pictoral diagram as follows:

Custom, hand-made inletted and pillar bedded (possibly glass bedded; whichever I decide) tactical styled hardwood stock with monopod, recoil decelerator, Dragunov similar style, and comb.

Turned barrel blank, heavy match barrel style in OE 7.62x54R

Modified bent bolt with large end for better grasp.


Here's the picture.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/mosinstockidea-2.jpg

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lobo9er
March 13, 2011, 05:22 AM
would like to see pics when its done

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 05:24 AM
It will be a while, still have to procure the funds and materials. Glad to see some support right off the bat.

BananaClip
March 13, 2011, 06:20 AM
I have an M44 also. I also wanted to pick up a 91/30 to customize cuz there's so much out there and very cheap. Good Luck with the build! Can't wait to see it...

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 06:25 AM
Thanks again.

I need some ideas on what kind of hardwood I should use for the stock. I want something with nice grain.

Also needing links and sources for the bolt conversion (with thicker handle), though I might fabricate one from ATI, cut off the rounded bolt handle at the ball part, thread the shaft, and grind down on a chunk of steel, essentially milling it to the proper shape, and cut the threads to match. Unless someone can point me in the right direction for parts.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 08:15 AM
I updated the picture. Added views on top and bottom with inletting. Also, I'm going to re-post the updated picture with a modified design of the update. Please tell me which you think looks better.

1st Design:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/mosinstockidea-2.jpg

2nd Design:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/mosinstockidea2.jpg

dirtyjim
March 13, 2011, 11:39 AM
for the stock you would be better of piecing together a pattern then having it duplicated.

for the barrel its hard to beat the uk-59 machine gun barrels that tennessse gun is selling right now.
here is a picture of two of them that i've turned down a little bit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/turneddownuk59barrels.jpg
the top barrel is turned to a straight taper to remove the slots & i machined a sleeve for the step at the rear. the barrel is approx .960 at the muzzel.

the bottom barrel was turned down just enough to remove the boss from barrel, the slots will be hidden by a barrel block mounting system.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 11:57 AM
I plan on working a little with my gunsmith on the stock issue, and most likely the barrel issue as well. Part of the process will be making prototypes out of some cheap wood, tweaking here and there, before taking the finished design in for the real stock, probably walnut, beech, or something like that. I'm still not sure. I'm open to ideas, such as these barrels you speak of, as well as differen't types of wood. But I'm still waiting to see which stock design you guys think are best.

Ian
March 13, 2011, 12:51 PM
The Finns did basically this for their M28/76 competition rifles:

http://www.estonianarms.com/2876.htm

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 01:10 PM
I'm looking at a more modern/tactical approach than those Finns, but undoubtedly I'm sure they made fine target rifles and they're good-looking to boot.;)

juk
March 13, 2011, 01:54 PM
I love the idea, but would be afraid of using hardwood for the stock. I am worried that the stock would crack. There just isn't alot of wood behind the action. In my mind, the 7.62x54R combined with a stock like that is almost like asking for a broken stock. I'm not trying to sound like an arse, and I'm not trying to talk you out of it. I love the idea. Just voicing a concern that I would have if I were to take on the same project. I wish you luck with it, for sure.

For what it's worth, I like the second design a little bit more.

.45Guy
March 13, 2011, 01:59 PM
If you're in need of a good barrel, I have a Finn 28/30 that is basically sitting around for parts.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 02:01 PM
That parts gun is definately sounding good, though I'm leaning more towards a custom bull barrel. And I do plan on doing some stock reinforcement like the cross bolt like the OE rifles, but I haven't been able to come up with a way to hide-in-plain sight this cross bolt while making it look good.

hps1
March 13, 2011, 03:13 PM
Also needing links and sources for the bolt conversion (with thicker handle), though I might fabricate one from ATI, cut off the rounded bolt handle at the ball part, thread the shaft, and grind down on a chunk of steel, essentially milling it to the proper shape, and cut the threads to match. Unless someone can point me in the right direction for parts.


Here is a Springfield 03-A3 which I converted to a match rifle for practice using a worn out barrel from a Mod. 70 cut off and rechambered to remove worn throat. An easy bolt conversion was made by grinding off the original bolt knob, annealing a 1" steel ball bearing and drilling hole to fit the stub. Wanted a longer bolt handle, so slipped ball only half way on stub and soft soldered. This added a bit more than 1/2" longer throw due to larger knob. Had to grind a flat on bottom of ball and stippled it for clearance of trigger finger and to facilitate bolt operation for rapid fire strings.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/hm1996/Firearms/IMG_3814.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/hm1996/Firearms/IMG_3817.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/hm1996/Firearms/IMG_3823.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/hm1996/Firearms/IMG_3824.jpg

for the barrel its hard to beat the uk-59 machine gun barrels that tennessse gun is selling right now.

Have you shot one of these barrels, Jim? May be great barrels, but in the early 50's I built the first .308 Win. in our area (when the cartridge was still known as the T65), using a Browning water cooled machingun barrel. The barrel rifling was perfect and was brand new, but as it turned out did not shoot worth a hoot and I later replaced it with a Shilen barrel. In all fairness, may not have been all the barrel, as there was no commercial brass available at the time so I had to form brass from M2 ball (30-06) brass which didn't have as much capacity as did the .308 Win. brass when it became available later. Now, this may not be the case with the uk barrels, but just a heads up. let us know if yours shoots as good as it looks; very nice job.

Keep us posted on progress of your build, Buck.

Regards,
hps

dirtyjim
March 13, 2011, 03:28 PM
Have you shot one of these barrels, Jim?
i haven't shot mine yet. there are several people on gunboards & surplus who have shot theirs and so far all of them shot very good.

hps1
March 13, 2011, 04:10 PM
Mine was probably just a fluke. Could have had other contributing factors such as no loading data available, new cartridge, etc. Good to hear these are shooting well.

Regards,
hm

harmon rabb
March 13, 2011, 04:12 PM
post the pics when you're done.

as long as you're modding a 91/30, i doubt anyone is going to give you the bubba speech. ohnoes, you modded a 91/30, now there are only 59,999,999 unmodded ones left in the world! lol

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 05:36 PM
Thanks for the support guys, it may take a while, but this is a project I'm looking to complete

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 06:48 PM
Any ideas on types of wood I should use for the stock?

juk
March 13, 2011, 07:55 PM
Walnut or maple

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 08:06 PM
Never thought of maple. Any good links to a good looking maple stock?

Cob
March 13, 2011, 09:22 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7007120#post7007120

I built a customized stock for a Mosin, used Black Walnut. My next choice would have been cherry, then birch.

You can buy Birch plywood,(available at home depot or lowes) cut pattern and epoxy several pieces to get a thickness of about 2.5 inches.

Another option is to use the original stock, modify it to fit your needs, and will save you a ton of time on inletting, whihc is the most difficult step.
I glassbedded the stock in the pic, with ProBed 2000, worked great.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=137913&d=1299598373

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 13, 2011, 09:30 PM
There are too many curves in the Mosin Nagant stock for me to even dream of making this custom gun possible.

Dmitri Popov
March 13, 2011, 09:55 PM
I'd go with black walnut. Makes a very sharp lookin' stock.

petrey10
March 14, 2011, 10:18 AM
its a cool idea.... would love to see one completed with that stock! I would even buy a duplicate if you made more than one

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
March 14, 2011, 07:23 PM
Petrey10,
I'll come up with a price list as I go and I'll let you know how much it costs. If you're interested in a duplicate, you supply the reciever, and I'll determine the price from there.

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