What's the second trigger on this pistol for?


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clancy12
March 13, 2011, 10:09 PM
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I was looking at buying another black powder pistol and I saw this one on Midsouth Shooter's website. TRADITIONS MUZZLELOADERS TRAPPER PISTOL PERCUSSION .50 CAL SELECT HARDWOOD GRIP 9-3/4" BARREL.
The description isn't very descriptive so I was wondering if any of you know if the two triggers is because it's maybe a double barrel or is the second trigger a set trigger?

Also, it is available in percussion cap and flintlock. I have a cap and ball pistol so I know how they work, but how much extra work are flintlocks?

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Loosenock
March 13, 2011, 10:21 PM
Well if it is like my TC Patriot, the second trigger the one closest to the rear of the pistol, is the trigger you pull to fire the weapon. The first trigger is the set trigger. You set the second trigger at 1 lb or so by squeezing the first trigger.

'Drifter

Hunter2678
March 13, 2011, 10:30 PM
its for people who have only 2 fingers

arcticap
March 14, 2011, 01:40 AM
Looseneck, the TC Patriot pistol's double triggers are reversed compared to almost every other conventional BP gun having double set triggers.
For all of the Traditions guns with double set triggers like the Trapper, the rear trigger is the set trigger and the front trigger releases the hammer.

clancy12
March 14, 2011, 02:23 AM
Thanks for the trigger info. What size caps would that take (10 or 11)? Just curious because I have a ton of 10s but no 11s.

mykeal
March 14, 2011, 08:10 AM
Depends on the brand of cap; the 'size' numbers are meaningless. Remington No. 10's are not the same size as CCI No. 10's, nor are the No. 11's the same. In fact, Remington No. 11's are smaller than Remington No. 10's, while CCI's are reversed; their 10's are smaller than their 11's. Just try them and see what works.

RevDerb
March 14, 2011, 08:23 AM
Depends on the brand of cap; the 'size' numbers are meaningless. Remington No. 10's are not the same size as CCI No. 10's, nor are the No. 11's the same. In fact, Remington No. 11's are smaller than Remington No. 10's, while CCI's are reversed; their 10's are smaller than their 11's. Just try them and see what works.
How can this be?

StrawHat
March 14, 2011, 08:38 AM
RevDerb Quote:
Originally Posted by mykeal
Depends on the brand of cap; the 'size' numbers are meaningless. Remington No. 10's are not the same size as CCI No. 10's, nor are the No. 11's the same. In fact, Remington No. 11's are smaller than Remington No. 10's, while CCI's are reversed; their 10's are smaller than their 11's. Just try them and see what works.

How can this be?


There is no standard for cap dimensions and the tolerances are great.

If I had a lot of one size I would find a nipple that fit that size and install it.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
March 14, 2011, 02:25 PM
I always fit the nipple to the cap, not the other way around.

makos_goods
March 14, 2011, 02:30 PM
Depends on the brand of cap; the 'size' numbers are meaningless. Remington No. 10's are not the same size as CCI No. 10's, nor are the No. 11's the same. In fact, Remington No. 11's are smaller than Remington No. 10's, while CCI's are reversed; their 10's are smaller than their 11's. Just try them and see what works.
Mykeal,
That is not correct at all. The numbers do have meanings, they give you a fit for the cap. You are looking at it incorrectly.


It's all about the cones, not the caps. The cap size basically tells you what size cone it will fit. For instance, you have taken the "inversion" of the "sizes" (that) being the overall height of the Remington caps and have jumped in your logic and taken it from the “rational to the absurd.”

Cones are tapered. Because they are tapered there are two ways to create an interference or tight fit between the cap and cone. The I.D. and internal height can be used together or independently to effect a fit. Remington has chosen to freeze the I.D. to one dimension and vary the fit with the skirt length. CCI has taken a different approach and vary both the internal height as well as the I.D, between their cap sizes.

Below are three simple models that show the relationships of Remington and CCI caps to a “standard” Uberti cone. All models are created from direct measurements taken from a population of current (within the last three years) caps and cones from two revolvers purchased in 2007.

http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt358/Mako_CAS/Cap%20N%20Ball%20Questions/UbertiCone.jpg

http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt358/Mako_CAS/Cap%20N%20Ball%20Questions/RemingtonCapComparison.jpg

http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt358/Mako_CAS/Cap%20N%20Ball%20Questions/CCICapComparison.jpg

First of all note both #11 caps fit this cone with a light interference. It’s all about the fit not a direct relation between different vendors dimensions.

The dimensions on the Uberti Cone basically show where you will have about .003” of interference between the cap and cone with the #11 caps. Incidentally, both the Remington and CCI #11 caps have an I.D. of Ř.166.


This is not isolated to just caps there are many things in our world which use a standardized system for identification of their use, yet there may not be a direct one for one correlation from vendor to vendor on all or even some of the dimensions.

Regards,
Mako

arcticap
March 14, 2011, 02:52 PM
What size caps would that take (10 or 11)? Just curious because I have a ton of 10s but no 11s.

Every Ardesa/Traditions factory made percussion gun and factory nipple that I've ever owned used #11 caps and I've had several.

The exception is that the older discontinued #10 Remington Golden caps in the green & white tin were made larger and will fit the same as their "new hotter" current #11's that have the green primer material inside.
In addition, CCI and Winchester #11's would also properly fit the Trapper nipple.

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