Tikka T3 vs Win Mod 70 Featherweight


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Shoot&Ski
March 14, 2011, 02:00 PM
I keep asking for advice on which rifle to buy. There are simply too many good rifles on the market, I just can't get it narrowed down to one. Wish I could buy a few, but I just have the cash for one good rifle the must stand up to hunting abuse for years to come.
I basically had it narrowed down to a Tikka T3 Lite stainless in .300 Win mag, but then I found that I could get a Winchester Mod 70 Featherweight for only $70-$80 more. The Mod 70 isn't stainless (or synthetic for that matter) so it technically isn't as weatherproof for the Northwest. Both guns feel pretty good, I think I like the feel of the Mod 70 better, but the accuracy and trigger of the Tikka seem pretty hard to beat. Plus, the Tikka comes with an accuracy guarantee and includes scope rings, so this further increases to price of the Mod 70 to probably at least $100 more than the Tikka.
Am I just getting sidetracked because the Mod 70 is so darn good looking?
Which one would you buy?

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H&Hhunter
March 14, 2011, 02:03 PM
Wow tough choice there. Both are top notch rifles. I would say go with the rifle that suits your tastes because either should function just great.

HOOfan_1
March 14, 2011, 02:20 PM
I'd buy the Winchester for the looks myself. However, I have plenty of other rifles to go hunt with and usually buy based on wants rather than needs now.

Hope you like your shoulder nice and purple. .300 Win Mag, sighting in from a bench is going to give you one with those light rifles. My 700 BDL in .30-06 which is a heavier gun, although having no recoil pad, can give me a purple shoulder. Luckily, as a dove hunter who shoots 30+ 2.75 shells in an afternoon, it doesn't bother me.

Shoot&Ski
March 14, 2011, 02:57 PM
That's fine. As a waterfowl hunter shooting 3" magnum 12 gauge shells all day, I am used to it. Plus, once its sighted in, it is not going to be for paper punching, just load development for hunting, and hunting.

bison
March 14, 2011, 03:08 PM
I have both rifles, enjoy each, but would absolutely go with the M70 if I had to pick. Better looking, feels better without the plastic, and is the classic "rifleman's rifle". My T3 shoots just about anything really well while the M70 took a lot of load development to find a sweet spot (but now shoots < 1 MOA). You'll never regret buying the M70.

Welding Rod
March 14, 2011, 03:36 PM
Featherweight again.

I felt guilty as hell for having bought an imported Tikka when something like the M70 line looked so good... I just couldn't enjoy my Tikka... I felt like a traitor. I traded it in after the first trip to the range.

I have since picked up a 270 Featherweight and 30-06 Sporter. They look to be some very nice rifles. Haven't bought mounts yet though so they remain unshot.

Sooner1911
March 14, 2011, 08:58 PM
Have you looked at the Tikka Hunter series or the Grey Wolf? I paid $599 for my last .308 Tikka T3 Hunter with wood stock blued with scope rings. Very accurate, more so than my Model 70 Coyote stainless in 22-250. I also have a Tiika 25-06 SS with grey laminate stock.The difference is negligible as far as accuracy, but the Winchester cost me more than both. Also, Winchester is no longer American owned either IIRC, so no need to feel guilty on that count. You will be happy with either, but my Tikkas have lived up to the accuracy guarantee and the barrel break in makes it seem like the barrels are hand lapped. Barely any copper after 5-6 shots. Except for my Sako 6 PPC and my Weatherby Mark V Deluxe 300 Wby mag, my Tikkas are my favorites and are real tack driver.

JDMorris
March 14, 2011, 09:24 PM
Model 70, but why do you need it in .300 win mag? I don't think I'll ever own one, I'd get a .264 or 7mm before that.

H&Hhunter
March 14, 2011, 09:59 PM
Seeing that he is from Montana and guessing that he'll be doing a lot of elk hunting a .300 WM makes perfect sense.

Shoot&Ski
March 14, 2011, 11:27 PM
H&Hhunter, you seem to exactly understand why I am interested in a .300 Win Mag, and I am glad that someone does. It seems like every other person on this forum hates on the .300. Not sure why. If you read enough threads that mention the .300 winny, you would swear that it is the hardest kicking, least accurate, worst caliber to buy in the world. I don't get it. Seems like a potent big game caliber to me, and it sure has been around long enough to prove that it works. Think 30-06 with .270 trajectory, and that is exactly why I like it.

Sorry I am getting carried away. The Mod 70 sure is a nice gun, I will see if I can swing the extra dough, but I almost feel like it would be a shame to drag it up and down mountains in the rain and snow. I wouldn't feel to bad about scratching a synthetic Tikka.

Gtscotty
March 14, 2011, 11:50 PM
I would, and did go with the Tikka t3. I spent a couple months reading around on the inter-web before i picked up my rifle in 30-06. Tikka has a pretty solid reputation for putting out high quality and uniformly accurate rifles, and that is exactly what I wanted, there is nothing more frustrating than a new rifle that won't shoot well. That said, the aesthetics of my rifle were a non issue for me, but if that is of importance to you, the model 70 may well be what you prefer. Is the model 70 you're looking at one of the newer ones made by FN? or one of the older ones from before the New Haven Plant closing?

p.s. ~ I guess i forgot to mention it, but my Tikka does shoot very well, and I'm extremely satisfied with it.

Welding Rod
March 15, 2011, 12:25 AM
How about a new Winchester M70 Safari in .375 H&H for an elk gun?

snake284
March 15, 2011, 12:28 AM
ME? I would buy the Model 70, but then I'm a model 70 freak. You can't beat it. A model 70 control round feed is nothing but a sporterized Mauser and in my book it doesn't get any better than that. No doubt that in my opinion the Model 70 Win. is the better gun.

snake284
March 15, 2011, 12:35 AM
Rifles are made to drag through rain, sleet, and snow, I don't care how pretty they look. It gives em Character. I think people are silly about rifles now days. Yeah they look pretty when they're new in their fancy stocks and shiney blue finishes. But as they grow old and you see that shiney blue slowly being replaced with a rich old patina, you feel like it's part of you. It is part of the character I mentioned. After all, rifles are made to shoot, not sit around and look pretty.

Welding Rod
March 15, 2011, 03:45 PM
I agree. Used worn wood and blue rifles that show use have character. The stainless synthetics seem to just look like appliances.

H&Hhunter
March 15, 2011, 04:01 PM
I agree there isn't anything classier than a well worn wood and blued gun. That being said if you want a SS rifle get the M-70 in the Stainless Extreme. I've got one in 06 and it took a bit of tweaking but is now one of my most accurate rifles.

skoro
March 15, 2011, 07:22 PM
The Tikka has a good reputation, but I've never fired one. I do have a two year old Winchester M70 Featherweight and consider it to be top notch. I recommend it without reservation.

BrocLuno
March 15, 2011, 07:51 PM
I have both rifles, enjoy each, but would absolutely go with the M70 if I had to pick. Better looking, feels better without the plastic, and is the classic "rifleman's rifle". My T3 shoots just about anything really well while the M70 took a lot of load development to find a sweet spot (but now shoots < 1 MOA). You'll never regret buying the M70.
The T3 shoots all sorts of fodder well and the Winchester is picky and you like the Winnie better? Sorry, let's compare apples to apples - maybe a Tikka T3 Hunter with wood to M70 with wood? Or a M70 Stealth to the T3-Lite?

Each persons facial structure is different and mine fits the Scadahovian stock better then the Winchester stock so it's more comfortable on shoulder. I'd like a M70 if it just fit better.

6.5swede
March 19, 2011, 02:42 PM
The Tikka's are just awful. So much so, I've set up an orphanage for them (see below). If you buy one, you'll discover how poorly they shoot with most any ammo, a bolt that is too slick and a trigger that is too crisp. If you don't like it, then send it to me.....It will be well cared for :D

flynnskihobbin
March 19, 2011, 02:56 PM
I'd say go with the Tikka. I have one in .270 Win. it's accurate, smooth, and light. The down side of the Tikka is that it is light and the gun itself is not forgiving with recoil so 300 mag. you might be looking for a replacement recoil-pad.

6.5swede
March 19, 2011, 03:15 PM
Shoot&Ski,

I own both Tikka's and Win 70's. I agree, the wood/blued Win 70 Fwt is one of the finest looking factory produced rifles IMO....a real classic. I don't like the look of the SS/Syn Win 70's or Tikka's much. Sounds like that's what you are looking for given the climate you will being hunting in. But if your intent is to get a utilitarian, weather resistant hunting rifle, accuracy and reliability over looks is what you need. I have to agree with another poster about the general out of box accuracy of the Tikka's. All of mine have been shooter's, no tinkering required. I haven't had as much luck with my Win 70's. The new FN Win 70's shot pretty well OOB but not like my Tikka's. One of my Favorite rifles is a Win 70 classic FWT (New Haven) in 6.5x55. But it took a lot of work to get it to shoot.....Trigger job, bedding, barrel break-in, etc. Both are good hunting rifles but in my experience, the Win 70's have been "higher maintenance" initially.

sansone
March 19, 2011, 03:46 PM
mod 70 ..unless you think the stainless is important. Forget the $75 difference because down the road when the $$ is already gone you will be mad if you chose wrongly to save a few bucks. Here in FL stainless has much merrit due to the constant high humidity..
BTH: your post sounds like you really WANT the winnie

Shoot&Ski
March 19, 2011, 07:29 PM
Swede: Looks like a nice collection of orphans.

I will admit, if rifles came down to looks, I would way rather own the Winnie over the Tikka, but I have to keep pinching myself and remembering that this is supposed to be a utilitarian hunting rifle, and I shouldn't let looks get in the way too much. I supposed you could also say I have a problem with free market capitalism, because I really do like buying something made in the USA. Having said that, if the Winnie flat out doesn't shoot as well as the Tikka, that will have to weigh heavily in my decision. Also, I have never even seen a wood stocked Tikka. No one around here carries them at all.

jmr40
March 19, 2011, 07:48 PM
Here you go http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_280/products_id/44402

I actually like the Tikka and Winchester rifles a lot, but both are suited for milder calibers. Both are lightweight and more than I'd want in a 300 win mag. I have one of these in 7mm rem mag and they are a great buy in a stainless weatherproof rifle. I did buy a Mcmillan stock for mine.

6.5swede
March 19, 2011, 08:03 PM
As you can see from the pics, the wood stocked Tikka's are decent looking IMO, but certainly not Win 70 "hot" looking. The Win 70's are really nice rifles, but my experience with a few has been some work needed to get them to shoot to my satisfaction. I've owned 7 Tikkas at one time or another, 2 M695's, 1 M595, and 4 T3's, and everyone of them would shoot a few different factory loads sub-Moa @ 100 during my first trip to the range. The factory triggers are excellent and "easily" user adjustable and the bolt action is the slickest I've handled. One thing to consider is that the T3's are lightweight ~ 6 1/2 lbs, so shooting one in 300 Win mag wouldn't be my idea of fun. You'll definitely want to change out the recoil pad. The new Win 70's are also nice and have the MOA user adjustable trigger, although I couldn't adjust mine below 3 lbs. As Sansone suggested, you ultimately need to go with your heart. Heck you may buy a Win 70 that's a "one holer" OOB with the right load. Who knows? Good luck with your decision.......CT

6.5swede
March 19, 2011, 08:11 PM
Here you go http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_280/products_id/44402

I actually like the Tikka and Winchester rifles a lot, but both are suited for milder calibers. Both are lightweight and more than I'd want in a 300 win mag. I have one of these in 7mm rem mag and they are a great buy in a stainless weatherproof rifle. I did buy a Mcmillan stock for mine.
Yeah, I never warmed up to the Tikka Syn stock. The rifle was very accurate while in that stock...Utilitarian to be polite. I replaced it with a Wild Dog Carbon Fiber stock which is the 2nd from the left (above). They have a good reputation and their stocks are similar in material to Manners. They make a drop in stock, inletted for the Tikka T3....been very pleased with mine.

Another good point about the weight. My tikka's were all milder calibers: 25-06, 6.5x55, 308, and 270 Win. The older model M595/695 were significantly heavier ~ 1 lb more than the T3's. Just something to consider if you're buying a magnum caliber.

FSJeeper
March 19, 2011, 09:30 PM
I own a .308 Tikka T3 and a 1998 era Win. 70 in stainless classic style.

Tikka: Sub MOA with factory ammo. Lighter. Smooth action and perfect trigger. The rifle needs nothng out of the box. I do not like the smallsh charging port and I do not like the crappy magazines. It is a gun you can take into he field and not worry about hurting it. One of the best gun values in the market today I believe.

Win Mod. 70: Stunning stock. Mine has tiger strpe all the way down. Perfect classic looks. Perfect handling. CRF Mauser action with a great safety. The trigger needed work to get it right. It needed to be glass bedded. And it took a long time with handloading to get a load that would do 1.25" MOA consistantly. Factory loads averaged 2.5 to 3 MOA.

Going back to our high school days, the Tikka is like the sexy good looking low class girl you took behind the dance hall late at night and knew with 100% certainty things were going to be alright time after time.

The Winchester Mod. 70 is the one you took home to introduce to mom and married and had kids with. Drop dead gorgeous, Classy, loyal, and is there for you over the long haul.

Either one of them will do well for you.

jmr40
March 19, 2011, 09:51 PM
One other thing. As a rule I have come to suggest the Winchester Featherweight, or Extreme Weather rifles as my default suggestion to anyone looking for a new rifle. I just think they are the best thing going right now at any price.

It sounds like the EW may be out of reach with your budget. That is why I suggested the Howa.

I truly think the FW is the best looking and shooting rifle if you want traditional walnut and blue. But have you actually seen one in a magnum chambering. The longer, thicker barrel looks completely out of place in the trim FW stock. Not to mention the way they carry and balance in that stock. If I were going FW it would be in a non magnum chambering. If I wanted a magnum it would be in another rifle. Just my opinion.

JDMorris
March 19, 2011, 10:15 PM
I'd get the Winchester, Unless I knew I was going to be out in the woods, for days at a time, where it will be wet, and I wouldn't be able to get it apart and oiled to clean it.. If I was in that situation, I'd get the Tikka, but over the Tikka, I'd get a 700 Stainless, or a M70 Stainless.

Shoot&Ski
March 19, 2011, 11:55 PM
jmr: It sounds like the EW may be out of reach with your budget. That is why I suggested the Howa.

I gave the Howa a long hard look. I own a Weatherby Vanguard, and it has been a great rifle. I like that everything, the trigger guard, magazine, and that whole assembly is metal on the Howa/Weatherby. Also, my Weatherby has been extremely accurate. I would get the Howa, but for basically the same money I can get a Tikka which is lighter, I like the trigger better, and has an accuracy guarantee. Not to mention it seems everyone with the Howa replaces the stock adding even more money to the cost. The Howa is a heluva rifle for the money though.
Also, I haven't actually handle an M70 featherweight in a magnum chambering, only non-magnum. Next time I get the chance I will check it out.

I'd get the Winchester, Unless I knew I was going to be out in the woods, for days at a time, where it will be wet, and I wouldn't be able to get it apart and oiled to clean it.. If I was in that situation, I'd get the Tikka, but over the Tikka, I'd get a 700 Stainless, or a M70 Stainless.


This is exactly the situation I was in this hunting season that had me swearing I would never buy another non-stainless rifle. We were out for a few nights in the backcountry, it rained on and off the whole time, and my sweat dripped on the rifle. By the time I got home, it looked bad. Lots of work with oil made it look better, but the experience made me think twice about blued metal.

jmr40
March 20, 2011, 08:45 AM
Sounds like you've really done your homework. I think Tikka's are great rifles if you aren't bothered by the non-traditional looks. They may be a bit too light in 300 mag for my tastes, but I could make it work if I really needed a 300.

I agree with you about the stainless/synthetic. I am down to only 1 walnut/blue bolt gun. It is not a matter of IF, but WHEN the wood will let you down. You rarely have catastrophic failures with wood. It is usually subtle changes that you may never notice. Zero a wood stocked rifle here in Georgia at 500 ft above seal level and take it hunting in Colorado at 7000' and your zero may change by several inches. You may never understand why you missed because when return home and check your zero it will be perfect again.

Most of my serious rifles are stainless, but all of them have quality synthetic stocks. The blue metal holds up better than a lot of guys give it credit for, but I'll never trust a wood stock again. Seen too many failures. If I feel the need to hunt with traditional walnut and blue I still own several leverguns.

JDMorris
March 20, 2011, 02:08 PM
The Winchester is the rifle you would want to have in your hands when you're in a blind overlooking an open, fresh cut field, on a sunny day, the Tikka, is the rifle you would want to have when you're in a blind, in the deeps woods, on a rainy, cold, sunless day, but the Tikka would also work fine for the sunny day, just not look as good..
If it were me? I'd get a 700 SPS stainless in 7 Mag, I like 700's, and I like Howa's I don't know about Tikka's, or Winchesters..

If I were you, I'd get a 700 SPS stainless, or Winchester in stainless, I can see owning a varmint profile Tikka, but not a sporter.. I don't know.. Just me thinking.

bailer
March 20, 2011, 04:26 PM
I finished sighting in my t3 sl yesterday. Topped the day off with a .3 inch group, 3 inches above the bullseye. I own prettier rifles, but this one is going deer and elk hunting with me this year.

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