Beals & Transition Model Army Project


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Hoof Hearted
March 14, 2011, 03:16 PM
I started on these end of last week for a customer in Colorado.....

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2159.jpg

The "rough" work has been done with the reshape of the hammer on the Beals (still needs filing and checkering) and the basic work done to the rammer and sails for both pistols.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2165.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2161.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2164.jpg

Of course the draw filing has to be done on the Transition pistol....

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2162.jpg

But I have refit and reprofiled the grips on both of them!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2163.jpg

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BHP FAN
March 14, 2011, 07:31 PM
You're my hero. I want to be you, when I grow up. Seriously, why doen't Pietta or Uberti do a run of these, factory made?!

mykeal
March 14, 2011, 08:46 PM
Pietta actually did make a 'kind of' Beals in the 70's:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Remington%20New%20Army/0041.jpg
The hammer notches in the cylinder are wrong and the hammer spur needs work, but the hard part - the frame - is correct, I believe.

BHP FAN
March 14, 2011, 10:03 PM
I had one of those, back then. Fueled my desire for all things Remington.

Hoof Hearted
March 14, 2011, 10:46 PM
Pietta actually did make a 'kind of' Beals in the 70's:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Remington%20New%20Army/0041.jpg
The hammer notches in the cylinder are wrong and the hammer spur needs work, but the hard part - the frame - is correct, I believe.
That is a Euroarms (which is what I make minor changes to in order to be more "Beals" like) not a Pietta. Not meaning to sound like I am correcting you here :uhoh:
Both of these pistols were Euroarms "kit guns" meaning they were semi finished and sold in kit form for the end user to complete. Hence the "as cast" frames:rolleyes:

Edited to try to eliminate any hard feelings

Hoof Hearted
March 14, 2011, 10:49 PM
You're my hero. I want to be you, when I grow up. Seriously, why doen't Pietta or Uberti do a run of these, factory made?!

The word coming out of Italy is that Pietta is planning on a "complete" line of Remington Cap and Ball pistols.......Not sure that includes the "pre" E Remington and Sons guns though.

I hear there will be a pseudo Belt Model as well as a double action or two.

mykeal
March 14, 2011, 11:37 PM
That is a Euroarms ...
Yeah, I knew that...

I just washed my hands and I can't do a thing with them...

Tommygunn
March 15, 2011, 12:14 AM
The word coming out of Italy is that Pietta is planning on a "complete" line of Remington Cap and Ball pistols.......Not sure that includes the "pre" E Remington and Sons guns though.

I hear there will be a pseudo Belt Model as well as a double action or two.

So WANT! I can hardly wait til these make it here .... hope Dixie Gun Works picks 'em up!!!

arcticap
March 15, 2011, 01:36 AM
That is a Euroarms (which is what I make minor changes to in order to be more "Beals" like) not a Pietta. Two completely different Firearms manufacturers......Before they used the name "Euroarms" They were also know as Palmetto.

Are you sure? That's the 1st time that I've ever heard that. The Blue Book only says that Euroarms was previously named Armi San Paolo. What did the ASP founders Grassi, Doninelli and Gazzola who used the DGG headstamp have in common with Palmetto?

Did Palmetto buy out ASP to form Euroarms or is the connection to Palmetto a mistake? :confused:


Palmetto, which manufactured a variety of black
powder arms distributed primarily through Dixie Gun
Works, used a very recognizable palm tree within a circle
as their company logo.
Armi San Paolo S.r.l., established in 1970, uses the last
names of the original founders Grassi, Doninelli, and
Gazzola as a symbol, DGG, usually contained within a
circle. Beginning December 31, 2001, Armi San Paolo
officially became Euroarms Italia S.r.l. The same logo is
used on all Euroarms models.

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/POWDER/MBPProofmarks.pdf

Hoof Hearted
March 15, 2011, 01:50 AM
I was told that what you said in your second line was true but these companies had many different connections with some of them building parts for one another and some working just as "piece" shops....then buying each other out as times got tough.

We are experiencing that same type of thing right now with Uberti and Beretta....Euroarms has supposedly closed the doors.....Pietta claims that all is Ok but if it wasn't for their Cabellas connection they would be waning also. ASM has left the building only for his son to get involved with Chapparal and that is not looking good...........

drjldavis would probably be able to shed more light on your question than I if you are really wanting to know;)

Hellgate
March 15, 2011, 01:51 AM
I love the Euroarms/DGG/Armi San Paolo guns as they are much lighter in weight and have smaller grips than the pietta and Uberti guns. The Piettas are much beefier than any other I have weilded. The ASP are much more pointable in my hands.

Hoof Hearted
March 15, 2011, 02:07 AM
I love the Euroarms/DGG/Armi San Paolo guns as they are much lighter in weight and have smaller grips than the pietta and Uberti guns. The Piettas are much beefier than any other I have weilded. The ASP are much more pointable in my hands.

Hellgate you are widely (Boy I hope you don't take that wrong) recognized as the Euroarms shooter on most of these forums :fire:

I have a rather large hand (actually a pair) and prefer the Pietta for the knuckle room behind the trigger guard and the better placement of the grip screw (over the Uberti).

The Euroarms is KING though for making an early model Remington!
This pair makes about nine now that I have done.........

Hellgate
March 15, 2011, 02:20 AM
Hey Hoof Hearted,
Thanks for the unexpected compliment! I also shoot a matched pair of Millenium Ubertis. They have the look of an original NMA where the barrel meets the frame there is very little "meat' over the barrel as in the originals. Hey, if the gun fits, shoot it. No point in wielding a gun that raps your knuckles. Thanks for the mention. I am humbled.

BHP FAN
March 15, 2011, 11:05 AM
''I hear there will be a pseudo Belt Model...''
Oh, baby!

Moptop
March 15, 2011, 02:07 PM
I also shoot a matched pair of Millenium Ubertis. They have the look of an original NMA where the barrel meets the frame there is very little "meat' over the barrel as in the originals.


What do you mean? I have a pair of Milleniums as well and never realized they were any different.

Hellgate
March 15, 2011, 04:03 PM
Moptop,
What I am referring to is the thickness of the frame as viewed from the side where the barrel screws in is more like on the original Remingtons I have seen. i.e. there is very little "step" down to the barrel from the top of the frame. The Euroarms and Piettas have quite a bit of a step compared to the originals that have an almost smooth transition upward from the barrel to the top of the frame.

Hoof Hearted
March 16, 2011, 02:50 AM
The most noticeable difference between the Euroarms and all other Remington clones is that the others (Uberti and Pietta ) have the "scallops" in the frame at the breech end of the barrel allowing the barrel threads to be seen. The Euroarms looks more like the Beals in this respect with a much smaller cut in that portion of the frame.

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