Black powder in Pa?


March 15, 2011, 01:23 AM
I've been eyeing up a black powder pistol in the Cabelas website and have been laying hints to the wife, just in case she wants to surprise me at some time. :D

As I understand it, I can purchase a b-p pistol online and have it shipped because it is not subject to NCIS. I was considering stopping by the local Cabelas in PA and picking one up while I was there on my next trip. The reason for my asking is because PA is not my home state. Can I legally purchase a b-p pistol in another state while visiting and then bring it home? Forgive me if this is a silly question, I'm just not certain of the answer. I can (and do) own several handguns already, just not b-p so I'm just trying to understand the differences. Thanks!

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March 15, 2011, 01:54 AM
Picking it up is based on state law and not Federal law as there are no Federal restrictions on antique reproduction/muzzle loading guns.
For example, they are only considered to be non-firearm weapons by Fedex.
In most every state/locality you can just pick it up.
PA isn't one of the bad ones! :D

March 15, 2011, 02:00 AM
Not a problem. In fact, if you pay cash, it's like it never even happened. ;) You gotta watch though. A lot of times they are on sale on their website, and not in the store. There's usually a pile of them in the bargain cave too. They had four Howdah's in the cave the last time I was there for $399

March 15, 2011, 02:28 AM
Yeah I don't see why not. I ordered my Kentucky rifle through the mail from Cabela's sent right to my California! :what:

So I don't see why not, unless you happen to live in a state that has some really restrictive laws on BP guns.

On line there is a list of states Cabela's wouldn't ship too. I assume those states see have laws about BP guns.

Dave Markowitz
March 15, 2011, 09:17 AM
C5Rider, what is your home state?

March 15, 2011, 10:29 AM
If he's from New Jersey then it's only supposed to be transferred through an FFL dealer, or if from New York state then the owner must declare it on his handgun license before he can possess the components to fire it.
That's if his state of residence is the concern. :):rolleyes::D

March 15, 2011, 11:12 AM
Also, in PA, a muzzleloader handgun or C&B revolver can still be a concealed weapon under the state crimes code. If it is carried in such a way as to be concealed on the person, a carry permit is required. Also, if a person is barred from owning firearms due to convictions, probation, parole or a PFA order, they are barred from having a muzzleloader or C&B revolver.

March 15, 2011, 11:54 AM
Thanks for the responses. I reside in Florida so there's no problem with permits for purchases. I've got a few approvals already this year so, Uncle Sam isn't too concerned about me owning a firearm. I haven't given, nor intend to give him a reason to be. :)

My main concern was the purchase from another state and then transferring it soon afterward when I return home. Sounds like it's a non-issue. Thanks for the info!

March 15, 2011, 03:14 PM
if you are planning on stopping by the Cabela's in Hamburg, stop by Dixon's muzzleloading shop a few miles east. Much better pickins'

March 15, 2011, 03:31 PM
Thanks Zimmer...

So, where along the "Banks of the Susquehanna" would you be? I'm ultimately headed to Bloomsburg.

March 15, 2011, 08:18 PM
I'm a few miles north of the Mason Dixon line near Cresap's Fort. Site of the famous Cresap's War in the 1730's. (Maryland invaded PA to keep the pennsylvanians off the west shore of the Susq.) 10 miles south of the Rt 30 Bridge over the Susq.

March 17, 2011, 12:17 AM
Old Man Cresap was also known as the Maryland Monster. Got to keep those Pennsyltuckians in check! :-)

March 17, 2011, 06:44 PM
Yup,,,,and all that fighting lead to the Mason-Dixon Line!!

"In the "war," the closest event to a battle was fought on November 23, 1736, when Scots-Irish settlers of Donegal led by the Sheriff of Lancaster, attacked Cresap's men at Long Level. This resulted in the defeat of Cresap's Maryland militia, death of one Marylander, and the imprisonment of Cresap in Philadelphia. Cresap remained imprisoned until August 1737 when the King of England ordered his release as part of instruction for the two colonies to settle the disagreement by the courts, not armed conflict. In 1750, an English high court ruled in favor of Pennsylvania, stating that Maryland forfeited its charter rights in negotiating the 1732 compromise. The new border stood at 39 degrees, 43 minutes, 26.3 seconds, north latitude— as surveyed by two Englishmen, Mason and Dixon."

March 17, 2011, 09:13 PM
One of the Lancaster Sheriff's deputies was shot mortally through the door of Cresap's house. The Sheriff then asked Cresap for a candle so they could see to tend the deputies' wounds. Cresap denied the request.

When cresap was captured, he was taken to Lancaster and placed in irons for transport to Philadelphia. Before the black smith could put on the irons, Cresap knockeed him cold. In Philadelphia, he was paraded in irons all across the city and on the city hall (capitol) steps, He pronounced Philadelphia, the prettiest city in Maryland.

Apparently he was already a fugitive in Virginia or western Maryland for cleaving a man's head with an axe.

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