Americans and gun prices


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Kobun
January 25, 2003, 04:09 PM
To be honest, I think a lot of you in the US don't know how good you actually have it.
Your gun prices are LOW!!!
It is actually nauseating to hear you talk about it being "expensive" to buy a gun for $800 that will last you a lifetime!
You have no (or very little) waiting period, you don't need a "reason" to buy a gun, and you can have as many as you want. No one can say that you have enough now, and that if you want a new one, you have to sell some of those you already have.
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Spackler
January 25, 2003, 04:17 PM
We enjoy our freedoms. When they begin to be infringed upon, they'll be complaints. We shouldn't NEED a reason to buy a gun, we shouldn't have ANY sort of "waiting period" of any length.

I can see your side of the price argument. The same is true for gasoline. In many parts of the world, $4.50/gallon is the norm. However, when you are used to paying $1.00/gallon and prices are now averaging $1.50/gallon, naturally there will be complaints. We don't say "gee, look how lucky we are compared to the poor folks in Norway".

waterdog
January 25, 2003, 04:24 PM
Yes Kobun, many (sheople) take for granted, the freedoms we enjoy.

But many of us don't, we know what we got, and
come hell or high water, we aint going to let some
socialist politician, corporate giant, bureacratic parasite deprive us of these rights.

Kobun, all you need a US Constitution.

waterdog

Don Gwinn
January 25, 2003, 04:46 PM
Well, that's one Norwegian who is wryly amused that we assume we are more free than Norwegians, and one Norwegian who is irritated that we take the vastness of our freedom for granted. Make up my mind!

Just kidding. If it makes you feel any better, we do have a waiting period--and a required license--where I live. People are also fond of demanding to know why you want this or that gun. No one can prevent that; the genius of America lies in preserving the right of every citizen to tell that sort of busybody to go to hell and take the shortcut.

Art Eatman
January 25, 2003, 04:56 PM
At one time I had all of Leslie Charteris' "Saint" novels. After about the 4th or 5th re-read, I gave them away.

A common thread through the books--many of which were written in the 1920s and 1930s--was the paperwork and bureaucracy extant in Europe, and the various restrictive laws there which so over-controlled the people.

Post-WW II, it occurred to me that the U.S. was working busily to overtake Europe as to bureaucratic inefficiency. We've largely succeeded...Yet, we have a few areas of freedom as yet mostly untouched. Comparatively, we're still ahead. But that's why we fight so hard, and must keep on fighting, against those iniquitous forces which would try to further ensnare us in that obscene world of Red Tape and Permits.

Lotta folks from Norway and Sweden came over here, as much as 150 years ago. I guess they beat the rush--but there's still room for folks who can read and write and fight for their Rights.

Art

Marshall
January 25, 2003, 05:10 PM
Yes, there are too many that take a lot of things for granted!
Unfortunately, there are too many rights and moral beliefs this country was founded on that we have to fight to keep! If we don't fight, and fight smartly, we will be in deep doo doo!

There are too many liberal sheeple out there that believe their given right is to tear down anything sanctimonious this country was founded on to further their personal agenda! A proud, stand up person, would respect the beliefs our country was founded on or, leave it and find a home that fits them! But, NO! These people believe the world should revolve around them and we should cater to any whimsical, emotional thought that pops into their head at any given time.

Some of these people have even made it into Congress and higher ranks of our Government. If that isn't bad enough, there are others in our govenment that are appeasers in order to get votes because they can't make it in the real world without that job! This is why it is important to fight for what this country was founded on and do it smartly! Dumb moves, only set us back further! I see some that are trying to further the RKBA and put out offensive material that can even turn off right wingers! Those plays need to be thrown out of the playbook. Smart, beats in your face most everytime! The old adage, you catch more with honey is applicable here!

Liberals play this game better than we do! They take little bits and peices away at a time, which in turn makes the next peice easier to get. We need to fight back the same way. You look for small battles to win whether they are actual legal victories or media victories, instead of trying to tackle the whole rock at once and brasenly disenfranchise people you need in the process!

Croyance
January 25, 2003, 09:37 PM
I understand. However, I believe things should be better, and that we should work to that end. I wish things were better for everybody elsewhere also.

Calmwater
January 25, 2003, 10:29 PM
The actual price I pay for a firearm purchased locally includes:

Federal Excise Taxes
County Excise Taxes
State Sales Tax
County Sales Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Payroll Tax
Workmen’s Compensation Taxes
State Property Taxes
Local Property Taxes
Unemployment Insurance Taxes
Local Sales Taxes
Federal, State and Local Gas Taxes
Tire Excise Taxes
Truck Highway Use Taxes
Heavy Truck Excise Taxes
Telephone Excise Taxes
State Franchise Taxes
State Insurance Premiums Tax

That amounts to almost 46% of the cash I spend on the product.:mad:

PATH
January 25, 2003, 10:34 PM
calmwater is quite correct. We have to work till about mid-june before we are working for ourselves!I guess freedom really does have a price.

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