CA Politicians' Hypocracy Reaches Critical Mass


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steven58
March 15, 2011, 11:32 PM
Sacramento state assembly members have introduced a bill that would entitle them to carry concealed weapons The bill would put politicians in the same class of workers vulnerable to violence as agents who arrange bail for defendants or jewelery shop owners.

From the UK Guardian (of all places)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/14/california-politicians-right-carry-arms

WHY NOT JUST MAKE CALIFORNIA A "SHALL ISSUE" STATE:cuss:

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J_McLeod
March 15, 2011, 11:46 PM
Wow. A new low for CA. Elsewhere, they are about to default on their debt. The other articles that linked from this one reflected the substantial bias of the UK.

HorseSoldier
March 16, 2011, 12:27 AM
That does take an impressive amount of nerve.

ZeBool
March 16, 2011, 12:56 AM
Unbelievable, but then again it IS the granola State. Land of fruits and nuts.

kingpin008
March 16, 2011, 01:08 AM
Unbelievable, but then again it IS the granola State. Land of fruits and nuts.

How about instead of insulting an ENTIRE state, we stick to discussing the bill itself?

TexasBill
March 16, 2011, 03:47 AM
It's not surprising: the Mulford Act of 1967, which stripped Californians of the right to open carry a loaded weapon, was passed in response to what legislators viewed as a threat to their safety. It was authored in April 1967 by conservative Republican Don Mulford, an assemblyman from Oakland, after Black Panthers started showing up at demonstrations with loaded guns. When the Panthers showed up at the state capitol with their guns in May 1967 to protest the Act, the Assembly passed the legislation and Ronald Reagan signed it.

A question that should be asked is why California lawmakers need special legislation? One would figure the Assembly members could just get them from their local sheriff: one politician scratching another politician's back, and all that.

Diggers
March 16, 2011, 05:08 AM
Well I assumed that they could carry a gun if they wanted to. I'm actually surprised that they can't. Huh. :scrutiny:

Though I find it kind of odd people here see this in a negative light. I think its a good thing. Get these politicians into shooting and things might change a little here in CA.

It is funny how CA is singled out as the worst state as far as guns go. There are a number of odd restrictions, but really, there are other states that are more restrictive that CA. Mass and NJ seem WAY more difficult to be a gun owner in from my point of view. (which is from CA. ;) )

Davek1977
March 16, 2011, 05:19 AM
Though I find it kind of odd people here see this in a negative light. I think its a good thing. Get these politicians into shooting and things might change a little here in CA.
i'm not the LEAST bit surprised people are up in arms about this. Thjey have every reason to be, IMO. What we have here is an "elected elite" who want privileges denied to you and I. If they were arguing we should ALL have the right to carry weapons, they'd have some High Road backing, I'm sure. However, many of us here don't like the idea of two different sets of rules...one set for "them" and one set everyone else must follow. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, for the people when that government grants itself rights that don't apply to the population at large. We don't need a ruling elite who believes it is entitled to rights that the common man is not, not in California, not ANYWHERE. Its not that as shooters we are against them for pursuing the right......we're against it because they think thye can be trusted with rights the common man cannot be, and that way of thinking is dangerous.

Gouranga
March 16, 2011, 07:57 AM
NC politicians have tried the same darned thing this session. It was not welcomed with open arms here. The good part is, if you have a half decent gun rights group in your capital talking to these nimrods, they have given them a great argument as they now as saying, it is dangerous enough out there that they need protection. Which then feeds into, well if it is dangerous for you then it is a lot more for us. I think we can count on 1 hand the number of legislators assassinated or attempted assassinated while in office nationwide in the last 30 years. I don't think there are enough hands in my city to count the number of civilians murdered in the last 30 years.

merlinfire
March 16, 2011, 08:08 AM
Politicians have ALWAYS been a privileged class. Why does this surprise you?

I wonder if, after having carried and shot them from time to time, if politicians would become more gun friendly, or at least not gun-scared?

HOOfan_1
March 16, 2011, 08:10 AM
Politicians have ALWAYS been a privileged class. Why does this surprise you?


Doctors take a Hippocratic oath...politicians take a Hypocritic oath ;)

merlinfire
March 16, 2011, 10:19 AM
Doctors take a Hippocratic oath...politicians take a Hypocritic oath
Haha, nice.

I think there are probably some honest politicians.....but they don't often make it to the state level or beyond.

ZeBool
March 16, 2011, 02:32 PM
"How about instead of insulting an ENTIRE state, w stick to discussing the bill itself"

How about we relax a tad. The entire California government deserves to be insulted. See post 1.

kingpin008
March 16, 2011, 02:48 PM
How about we relax a tad. The entire California government deserves to be insulted. See post 1.

Deserving or not, we don't do insults here. When you signed up, you agreed to attack the argument, not the person. Calling people "fruits and nuts" does absolutely nothing to advance our cause, and adds zero to the conversation.

oneounceload
March 16, 2011, 02:54 PM
California politicians have always been known for their "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude. Every politician that is against guns usually has several, or some form of LEO protection - it's the same in Chicago, DC, NYC, etc. They feel "entitled" to special privileges.

The CA gun right groups should have this plastered all over the press to show the hypocrisy and, as mentioned earlier, get the same rules applying to all the "mere commoners" that pay the bills and salaries

Manco
March 16, 2011, 03:02 PM
A question that should be asked is why California lawmakers need special legislation? One would figure the Assembly members could just get them from their local sheriff: one politician scratching another politician's back, and all that.

That is perplexing--I had always assumed that they could find a way, regardless of the laws they make for those outside of the elite ruling class they belong to. Since when did nobility have to obey laws? :confused:

HGUNHNTR
March 16, 2011, 03:37 PM
Unbelievable, but then again it IS the granola State. Land of fruits and nuts.
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C'mon dude, name calling is not highroad.

Ole Coot
March 16, 2011, 03:38 PM
Just an example of "me" and "them" and I am not wealthy or politically connected. I shall practice with my blackpowder weapons as the liberal tide rolls East and South to me.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
March 16, 2011, 03:50 PM
No stupid law will save them when the serfs finally rise up.

ZeBool
March 16, 2011, 04:14 PM
My apologies, I was not attacking the citizens of California, only the people who govern them.
However, it is also not High road to slander Obama, yet it's done on here regularly and with impunity. Next time someone insults Obama I fully expect to see kingpin and hgunhnter come to his defense.

Librarian
March 16, 2011, 04:57 PM
Kindly look up the 14th Amendment (http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv), end of section 1.

Consider the effect of this bill if passed.

Consider hiring good lawyers to address the problem.

I know it's difficult, given California politicians, but consider that not all bills introduced are bad.

Manco
March 16, 2011, 06:15 PM
Kindly look up the 14th Amendment (http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv), end of section 1.

Consider the effect of this bill if passed.

Consider hiring good lawyers to address the problem.

I know it's difficult, given California politicians, but consider that not all bills introduced are bad.

Good point, the gun-grabbers could really be shooting themselves in the foot with this one (so to speak). :) If they realize these ramifications, however, they may well gun down the bill (so to speak). The latter has happened in the recent past with the bill to outlaw open carry in California. It was all set to pass given the state's heavily anti-gun legislature, and virtually everybody here fully expected it to pass (some eagerly anticipating the lawsuits to follow), but for no immediately apparent reason it failed. Then shortly afterward, a US District Court judge used unloaded open carry as a lame excuse to deny concealed carry in the Peruta case, claiming that it satisfies Heller's stipulations under incorporation (McDonald). :rolleyes: The silver lining, of course, is that Peruta should keep climbing up the judicial ladder, all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary, and that could have ramifications for the entire nation. However, my point is that sometimes the antis can play strategy, too, so don't be surprised if this new bill fails to pass (although I hope that it does pass :evil: ).

kingpin008
March 16, 2011, 07:13 PM
However, it is also not High road to slander Obama, yet it's done on here regularly and with impunity. Next time someone insults Obama I fully expect to see kingpin and hgunhnter come to his defense.

You're right, it's not High Road. Luckily being a member of THR gives you the right to call out improper behavior and report it to the Mods if necessary.

Also, it has nothing to do with coming to the defense of anyone. It's got everything to do with how we carry ourselves here. THR is based on civility, respect, and reason. We have enough to overcome in the fight for gun rights without stooping to the level of grade-school namecalling.

NMGonzo
March 16, 2011, 07:18 PM
What can I say; I love New Mexico.

My heart goes out to you Californian brothers.

SharpsDressedMan
March 16, 2011, 07:23 PM
Is, for example, a black woman living in the projects LESS likely to need a CCW than a politician who has paid guards at the statehouse, extra cops on foot outside, and who lives in a gated community?

seed
March 16, 2011, 07:24 PM
Davek1977 said:
i'm not the LEAST bit surprised people are up in arms about this. Thjey have every reason to be, IMO. What we have here is an "elected elite" who want privileges denied to you and I. If they were arguing we should ALL have the right to carry weapons, they'd have some High Road backing, I'm sure. However, many of us here don't like the idea of two different sets of rules...one set for "them" and one set everyone else must follow. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, for the people when that government grants itself rights that don't apply to the population at large. We don't need a ruling elite who believes it is entitled to rights that the common man is not, not in California, not ANYWHERE. Its not that as shooters we are against them for pursuing the right......we're against it because they think thye can be trusted with rights the common man cannot be, and that way of thinking is dangerous.

Awesome post. Extremely well-said!

Deanimator
March 16, 2011, 07:47 PM
They're despicable hypocrites just like the thugs and hoodlums of the Chicago City Council who did the same thing.

SharpsDressedMan
March 16, 2011, 08:24 PM
I don't think dirty politicians arming themselves can save them from a P/O constituency. They have to go home sometime........

ZeBool
March 17, 2011, 03:00 AM
You're right, it's not High Road. Luckily being a member of THR gives you the right to call out improper behavior and report it to the Mods if necessary.

Also, it has nothing to do with coming to the defense of anyone. It's got everything to do with how we carry ourselves here. THR is based on civility, respect, and reason. We have enough to overcome in the fight for gun rights without stooping to the level of grade-school namecalling.

I am not above reproach. Truly. However, I refuse to be lectured for something that quite frankly wasn't that offensive. You CAN step down off of your pedestal. Really, it IS possible. You just have to try.

ETA: If you wish to bestow any more wisdom upon me, feel free to send me a pm. This thread has already been polluted enough with you "correcting" me.

Manco
March 17, 2011, 11:59 AM
Is, for example, a black woman living in the projects LESS likely to need a CCW than a politician who has paid guards at the statehouse, extra cops on foot outside, and who lives in a gated community?

No, but in their view her life is worth less than theirs (whether they realize it or not--surprisingly few politicians seem to be fully aware of their own power-tripping tendencies...or act like it, anyway). They also see her as a threat to their own safety.

Pilgrim
March 17, 2011, 08:17 PM
They must have noticed a run in the hardware stores of new rope.

Pilgrim

EddieNFL
March 17, 2011, 09:05 PM
Unbelievable, but then again it IS the granola State. Land of fruits and nuts.
You forgot flakes.

kingpin008
March 17, 2011, 09:19 PM
You forgot flakes.

Was that really worth the time it took to post?

Once again, please refrain from personal attacks. They're against the rules, and utterly pointless.

jerkface11
March 17, 2011, 09:24 PM
Kingpin maybe you should stay on topic or just use the report button.

kingpin008
March 17, 2011, 09:37 PM
Jerkface - excellent point.

EddieNFL
March 17, 2011, 09:52 PM
Was that really worth the time it took to post?

Apparently.

As I did not direct my remark at a specific individual, how could it be considered personal?

Art Eatman
March 17, 2011, 10:27 PM
Lot of Low Road, politics, philosophy--and not much about guns as guns.

Enough.

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