If you lived/live in a 'free state' and you could pick One Fully-Automatic firearm...


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TheGewehrGuy
March 19, 2011, 07:18 PM
What would it be?

Your budget is $20,000.



I'd have to pick the MP40, they aren't making anymore of them, so I figure when we someday change the laws, it will still be worth much more than anything that can be manufactured new. Plus the history to it.

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SWAT1911
March 19, 2011, 07:39 PM
No ? At all, an original B.A.R. Some good old fashioned full auto 30-06 fun!!

AK103K
March 19, 2011, 07:48 PM
MP40 first, and the M45 Carl Gustav (Swedish "K") as a second choice.

9mm is still a LOT cheaper than everything else, and always has been, even back when it was all pretty cheap.

armoredman
March 19, 2011, 07:59 PM
HK MP-10, if I can dream - 10mm was made for subguns. If just for grins and giggles, either an MP-40 or a PPsH-41.

tyeo098
March 19, 2011, 08:26 PM
Some guy on Florida Gun Trader had an M2 Carbine selectfire for only 4 grand.

cthulhufan
March 19, 2011, 08:31 PM
PKM. Ma Deuce is a close second but feeding the PKM is a lot cheaper.

USAF_Vet
March 19, 2011, 08:35 PM
Tough choice. I loved shooting an AK-47 on full auto in Iraq. Lots of fun.

Not nearly as fun as Ma Deuce, however, which would have to be my pick. Not sure if it falls under 20K.

Certainly not the M-249. didn't care much for it.

If I could find an authentic Sturmgewer, that would trump the AK, but ammo being a bit hard to find, the AK would still probably win out.

the MP-40 though, might squeeze past the AK, but right now, I'm sticking with my original gut answer.

AK-47.

danprkr
March 19, 2011, 08:37 PM
If I could only pick one it wouldn't be free now would it? But regardless:

Thompson!

Caliper_RWVA
March 19, 2011, 08:37 PM
Your budget is $20,000.

If you were in a free state, the cost of a MG would not be so high because you could buy new - the only reason we have such high prices is that we can only trade with pre-'86 registered guns.

My choice would be a burst-equipped M4 though.

Walter
March 19, 2011, 08:43 PM
Thompson M-1. Accept no substitutes. :evil:

Walter

ambidextrous1
March 19, 2011, 08:51 PM
I'd go for a full-size Uzi in 9mm; good for HD and SHTF scenarios. It's not as exotic as the previous choices, but eminently practical.

Nushif
March 19, 2011, 08:52 PM
I would say an AK-47. With wooden stocks, and looking all nicely beat up.

Ze wife says ... "Tommy Gun"

50 cal
March 19, 2011, 08:54 PM
I've got a semi auto ma deuce and that's more than I can afford to shoot. I would probably go with a thompsan m-1.

jerkface11
March 19, 2011, 08:54 PM
AR-15 lower. Spend the rest of the money on a bunch of uppers.

highlander 5
March 19, 2011, 09:07 PM
I second the Thompson.

Jeff F
March 19, 2011, 09:15 PM
I've shot them, they are fun for a second, I do live in a free state where we can own but I could not afford to feed one.

clance
March 19, 2011, 09:17 PM
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy135/stmichps/AmericanArms180M222LRSubMachineGun.jpg

I would have to say I would like a American Arms 180 M2 22LR Sub Machine Gun. Price around $10,000.00 but at least the ammo wouldn't send me to the poor farm to use it.

Seen this demostrated years ago at Williams Gun Sight in Davison, Michigan during their LEO equipment show. Because of it's high rate of fire and low to no recoil, it bore a hole right through a car door in no time at all.


Addition:I forgot that I had $20K to play with. The other $10K I would use to buy ammo for this toy. Seeing that I can get a brick (500rds) for little under $15.00, that equates to approximately 333,333rds. of fun! :D

Nushif
March 19, 2011, 09:35 PM
Now that .22 Thompson is sexy!

The Lone Haranguer
March 19, 2011, 09:43 PM
If one could be had for that price, a H&K MP5.

AK103K
March 19, 2011, 09:55 PM
Thats WAY to much for an MP5. I only paid $800 for mine. :)

db_tanker
March 19, 2011, 09:59 PM
just for the sheer multitude of what you can do with 'em...

AR lower.


close second would be an FNC because of Al and Heat. :)

Owen Sparks
March 19, 2011, 10:48 PM
Probably something in .22 just to play with, then again maybe not. I have shot a number of full autos at the local police range and come to the conclusion that hand held full auto is impractical at any kind of distiance. It works well with big heavy guns that you lay down behind or pistol caliber SMG's that lack stopping power with FMJ ammo and might require a burst to drop the bad guy at close range. I prefer shotguns in close for HD and all my AR's are in 6.8 and would not be very controlable on full auto therefore I personaly have no need for a full auto AR lower.

That being said, I see no moral or ethical reason a law abiding citizen should not be able to own our nations service rifle.

AlexanderA
March 19, 2011, 10:54 PM
Right off the top, I was going to say a full-auto M-16, but then I thought better of it. In terms of practical shooting, it really doesn't offer much more than the semiautomatic equivalent.

Not the B.A.R. The barrel gets red-hot after firing 1 or 2 full magazines, and there's no way to change it. The magazines themselves hold only 20 rounds. It really needs to be fired from a bipod, and the bipod is an ungainly and floppy thing. Had one, sold it after I got my M-60 (which isn't much to write about either). I do regret selling the B.A.R. because of the investment aspect.

Thompson? It's a great classic, but whatever it does, the M3 Greasegun does better. Again, had one but sold it. I could kick myself simply because they've gone up in value so much.

If I had to pick one full auto, I think it would come down to the Browning M1919A4 belt-fed. Believe it or not, as long as the barrel jacket is not permanently soldered to the trunnion, the gun can be broken down and carried in a briefcase. By substituting the proper parts, it can be changed between .30-06, .308, and 8mm. Or, you can put in an A6 barrel, jacket, and front bearing and make it a bipod-mounted gun. Plus, it can be used on all sorts of vehicle mountings.

TheGewehrGuy
March 19, 2011, 11:45 PM
You guys make a lot of good points.

A full auto M16 wouldn't be very worth it because you'd be better off with a semi-auto, full auto isn't that accurate.

And the only real heavy machine gun I could see owning would be the MG42, otherwise the rate of fire on some guns like the MA Deuce is so slow, you may as well get a semi-auto and pull the trigger as fast as you can.

As for the MP40, its small, 9mm is cheap, it has a history to it, they aren't making them anymore, low recoil, everyone will want to shoot it at the range.

TheGewehrGuy
March 19, 2011, 11:51 PM
Just for clarification my definition of a free state is a *United States, state, that allows fully-automatic guns. Not like a free nation or anything. Hopefully someday the supreme court will rule all laws against gun ownership by sane law-abiding citizens to be highly unconstitutional as it is.

You know why no one has invaded the U.S. since 1812? Because there are 260+ million guns in the hands of the people, we have the largest army reserve (well, militia) in the entire world. The 2nd amendment has a reason beyond hunting and self-defense. Our revolution never would have been possible without guns, and our founding fathers knew our democracy would eventually become corrupt as all in the past eventually have. And they knew there would be a time when the people would need to establish a new government.

Dr.Rob
March 20, 2011, 01:18 AM
$20k isn't enough for a Colt made BAR, or Thompson.

On the complete opposite end of the spectrum how about a Bizon? In 9mm rather than 9 Mak, that's still like 48 or so rounds in a helical.

Special_K
March 20, 2011, 01:19 AM
9mm Uzi with the collapsible stock version and a short barrel with an optic on top. Only cost about 9K and I could spend the rest of ammo.

Or A B.A.R.

Or a Thompson machine gun :)

sniper5
March 20, 2011, 01:40 AM
Smith & Wesson M76 or Swedish K. OK, I've got a soft spot in my heart for "The Omega Man".

JohnBiltz
March 20, 2011, 01:54 AM
Really torn here.

I'd like a M60 just like the one I carried and I know a heck of a lot about keeping a M60 running.

On the other hand a Glock 18 would actually be something you could use and afford to shoot. I think I'd go with that.

ghostwriter
March 20, 2011, 02:04 AM
If I dont spend the whole 20K on one gun can I get two or three of the same? With that in mind, the .408 CheyTac Intervention fully suppressed with bi-pod is right up there on my list as is the Thor or Windrunner from EDM arms. They run around 7-10K so I'll take two, just in case.

Pronghorn
March 20, 2011, 02:20 AM
toss up between a mp-5 and an uzi. something is just so sexy about firing a full auto uzi one handed though :)

MarkDozier
March 20, 2011, 03:58 AM
full auto M-14 in 308

Narwhal
March 20, 2011, 04:28 AM
Real Deal M14. $20k might not be enough.

mljdeckard
March 20, 2011, 05:09 AM
Remember, Pacino's FNC in Heat was semi, not full.

I would want an MP-5.

matty-vb
March 20, 2011, 07:27 AM
H&K UMP

with the parts to convert to 9mm, .40, and .45

fun, practical, and versatile.

if ammo availability wasn't a problem I suppose I would go with....ummmm.... the UMP! maybe even throw on a suppressor so I don't lose hearing with all the rounds I'm burning thru

Bernie Lomax
March 20, 2011, 07:30 AM
Another vote here for the Tommy gun.

The Lone Haranguer
March 20, 2011, 08:00 AM
Smith & Wesson M76 or Swedish K. OK, I've got a soft spot in my heart for "The Omega Man".
Hmm, I might consider a Madsen M50 ...

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/0/02/Bread_and_Circuses_M50Outside.jpg/500px-Bread_and_Circuses_M50Outside.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/0/02/Bread_and_Circuses_M50Outside.jpg/500px-Bread_and_Circuses_M50Outside.jpg

(Star Trek episode "Bread and Circuses")

Ohio Gun Guy
March 20, 2011, 08:07 AM
1. M42 or M60
2. AK47
3. M16

db_tanker
March 20, 2011, 09:36 AM
Remember, Pacino's FNC in Heat was semi, not full.



I thought he let go with one or two auto bursts...guess I was wrong...THIS means I need to watch it again. :D

still wouldn't mind having an FNC with a happy switch though. :)

hso
March 20, 2011, 09:42 AM
Most states permit full auto.

If I had $20k to blow on such I'd still get an M16 and spend the rest of the money on a second upper in 9mm and a suppressor and ammo.

Pigoutultra
March 20, 2011, 10:05 AM
I would go with a B.A.R. if possible and I might even go so far as to swap in a .35 whelen barrel. Who wouldn't want a full auto .35 whelen, anyone?

gearhead
March 20, 2011, 10:14 AM
Either an MP5 or a MK46. I've fired both full-auto, it just depends on whether I wanted to shoulder fire or fire from a bipod. I love the clever engineering in the M16/M4 but it's not a bit of fun to shoot. If I were to choose a carbine rather than a PDW it would be a SCAR-H with a 5.56mm conversion kit to go with it. Best of both worlds, and it's MUCH nicer to fire full auto than an M4.

FROGO207
March 20, 2011, 10:49 AM
How about a MP40 and a MAC-10 in 45ACP. Less than 6K invested when purchased.:D FUN:D The neighbors near the local range complained last year about us emptying a 5 gal bucket of ammo one afternoon so now that is a no use zone.:banghead: At least the owner of a local pit will let us shoot it there if I let him shoot them when he is around to play with us.:cool:

THE DARK KNIGHT
March 20, 2011, 10:50 AM
AKS-74U or a Thompson

memphisjim
March 20, 2011, 10:53 AM
ak-47

AK103K
March 20, 2011, 10:59 AM
The neighbors near the local range complained last year about us emptying a 5 gal bucket of ammo one afternoon so now that is a no use zone.
Many if not most "ranges" wont allow full auto, and its been that way for a long time now. Even "gun" people will give you a hard time. :rolleyes:

At least the owner of a local pit will let us shoot it there if I let him shoot them when he is around to play with us.
It always pays to have a couple of mags set aside for the cops that inevitably show up. :)

Hanzo581
March 20, 2011, 11:16 AM
H&k ump 45

medalguy
March 20, 2011, 12:35 PM
I do and I did. Browning M2 .50 cal no contest. Anyone who has ever owned one of these can tell you it's the most fun you can have fully clothed. Or partially for that matter. Now the issue of ammo costs will creep into this thread, so if the cost of shooting this beast is something that causes you heartburn, my #2 choice is a Thompson, any model. However you did say cost is no concern.

Sixty Gunner
March 20, 2011, 01:09 PM
You know why no one has invaded the U.S. since 1812?

You been to a Home Depot or Lowes parking lot lately? Trust me--we've been invaded.

That said, for under $20K, I think I'd go with an RPK. Sure, the barrel cannot be changed, but if you keep the rate of fire down and limit your shooting to short bursts, you've got an effective and lightweight SAW.

If not one of those, an M1 or M1A1 Thompson.

FIVETWOSEVEN
March 20, 2011, 02:04 PM
Remember, Pacino's FNC in Heat was semi, not full.

It was a full auto prop but Pacino was instructed to use it in semi auto only.

GEM
March 20, 2011, 04:38 PM
20K - with realistic prices. It would be a Glock 18 and a Toyota Camry as a holster. :D

firemanstrickland
March 20, 2011, 05:19 PM
m-240 golf, not sure about the price range though

C96
March 20, 2011, 07:12 PM
Ma Duce is great but you should have a lot of room for fun. We have a full auto shoot here usually twice a year and I have fired most things a few times.

Thompsons are really very heavy with either stick or drum mag. BAR's run a bit slow or so they seem to me. The M3 that is usually around here was a lot of fun but the owner thought it was running a bit fast.

No MG 42 showed up so that is one I would like to try sometime BUT my favorite and the one I spent the most money on year after year was a PPsh41.

Drum or stick mag this was always a great blast. Fairly controllable, reasonable weight and put a lot of rounds down range in a hurry.

I even considered purchasing this particular piece but figured it was a lot cheaper for me to buy the ammo and rent the gun for as seldom as I would be able to shoot it.

ambidextrous1
March 20, 2011, 07:28 PM
Something just occurred to me: How about one of those Vulcan-type rigs with the multiple rotating barrels?

I saw a Knob Creek video with a guy shooting one with short barrels (12 to 16 inches); boy, did that rig pile up empty cases when he fired it!

I imagine the price for that weapon was in the 6 figure range...

db_tanker
March 20, 2011, 07:43 PM
Speaking of the gatling made me remember...22 long rifle gatling would be a neat little monster...instead of a belt though rig up a hopper...and no hand crank aa you can have that anyway iirc...battery op using a dewalt 12 or 18 v drill motor....adjustable fire rate. :-)

AK103K
March 20, 2011, 07:47 PM
Those little Tippman .22 1919A4's and 1917's were some cool little guns

makarovnik
March 20, 2011, 08:16 PM
Sadly, I never thought about it. I'm ashamed.

henschman
March 20, 2011, 08:21 PM
Probably a FN Minimi in 5.56x45.

In a free state there would be no gun control laws, and this firearm would only cost about $3,000... so that would leave the rest of the $$ for ammo and extra barrels!!!

Zundfolge
March 20, 2011, 08:29 PM
MP5SD

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/hkmp5sd.jpg

To be honest I'm more interested on a suppressed and short barrel weapon than full auto.

So if I had $20k to spend I'd rather get a semi auto version with the can ... a whole mess of mags and ammo ... and either a round tail light (69-73) BMW 2002 or a nice Willys CJ 2A, 2B or 3A (maybe with a VW TDI motor in it) to drive it around in.

Equestrian
March 20, 2011, 08:30 PM
well a glock 18 would be cool but if im spending this kinda money somethin big m2 dshk or pkm

armsmaster270
March 20, 2011, 09:27 PM
Another vote for the Thompson 45ACP.

Black Knight
March 20, 2011, 11:31 PM
The only full auto I have fired is an HK MP5. I was at FLETC in an instructors course. If I could have only one full auto it would be difficult for me to choose anything other than the MP5.

Jesse Heywood
March 21, 2011, 02:29 AM
If I can change the money around and use the $20K for a days worth of ammo I would have to get a M134D-H.

Realistically I would want a grease gun and a MG-42.

Ignition Override
March 21, 2011, 03:13 AM
Nushif:

Your wife saw those guys/gals use the Thompson on History Channel's Top Shot.

I would use whatever the Israeli forces use. Their nation has never been at peace, and it is doubtful that they chose machine guns which are not the most reliable/effective.
Otherwise, the most popular guns with our SWAT Teams (HK etc).

mljdeckard
March 21, 2011, 06:36 PM
fireman- several years ago impact guns listed what they said was the world's only fully transferrable 240B.

$172,000. Not a typo.

Shopping A Round
March 21, 2011, 07:04 PM
MP5SD

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/hkmp5sd.jpg

To be honest I'm more interested on a suppressed and short barrel weapon than full auto.

So if I had $20k to spend I'd rather get a semi auto version with the can ... a whole mess of mags and ammo ... and either a round tail light (69-73) BMW 2002 or a nice Willys CJ 2A, 2B or 3A (maybe with a VW TDI motor in it) to drive it around in.
I would have an HK USP in 9mm with a threaded barrell as well.

And then I would live in a free state that allows greater than 10 round magazines.

And then I would live in a free state that allows SBR's.

And then I would live in a free state that allows suppressors.

And then I would live in a free state that allows retractable stocks...

And then I would live in a free ..........

NoviceClays1989
March 21, 2011, 07:05 PM
I second the notion, B.A.R.

dogtown tom
March 21, 2011, 07:23 PM
TheGewehrGuy:....You know why no one has invaded the U.S. since 1812?...

Umm.....do the Japanese not count?:scrutiny:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign

coltsfreak18
March 21, 2011, 08:22 PM
Umm.....do the Japanese not count?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_CampaignAlaska was not a state back then, and, even if you did refer to that campaign as a "US" invasion, I think he referred to the mainland.

foghornl
March 22, 2011, 08:17 AM
Got a couple of faves...

The Thompson...although feeding a full-auto .45 is ahhhhh spendy

MP-40...but even 9MM ammo ain't cheap anymore

Friendly, Don't Fire!
March 22, 2011, 08:19 AM
Either an AR or a Mini 14.

ATBackPackin
March 22, 2011, 09:10 AM
The Ma Deuce is a blast to shoot and since it modeled after the M1919, I'm sure it would be a blast as well.

However if I could have only one, I think I would want something a little more mobile. After thinking about it here is what I came up with.

For a modern age gun I would want the M249 Saw (http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=249&backPID=306&productID=52&pid_product=233&pidList=306&categorySelector=2&detail=&cHash=b6fb352954).

For something from yesterday I think the Sterling submachine gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_submachine_gun) would kick butt. (Trying to maintain the High Road.)

Shawn

txhoghunter
March 22, 2011, 09:19 AM
MP5SD shot one, and I love it

tarosean
March 22, 2011, 09:39 AM
93R but I dont think the 20k would cover a 92 conversion much less the real McCoy

howlnmad
March 22, 2011, 09:54 AM
When I saw the titke to this thread I thought, "Oh yeah, fantasy time.". So automatically the XM214 jumps in my head. Then I read it has a price cap. Well the $275,000 price tag killed that idea and that they're only available under military contrract. So I'd have to say the Thompson or "Ma Duece" would be the choices. Anybody want to loan me 20K?

NMGonzo
March 22, 2011, 12:07 PM
Glock 18

rondog
March 22, 2011, 12:22 PM
Guess I'm a little more practical, I'd go for an M2 Carbine. I like to shoot the big, heavy ammo pigs, but prefer to rent them.

Axel Larson
March 22, 2011, 04:23 PM
AA12 all the way or maybe a Siaga 12. Full auto shotgun what could be better.

lucky-gunner
March 22, 2011, 06:43 PM
As much as want to say the M2 I just don't think it's practical enough as my one full auto. I would boil it down to AA-12, P90 or UZI. I'm not sure on the price of the AA-12 or P90 so I'll pick the UZI for price of ammo.

I got to shoot one in the Marines and it was my favorite full auto firearm.

PowerJoker6.0
March 22, 2011, 06:47 PM
i bet a bren gun or fg42 would be cool

lead slinger
March 22, 2011, 07:01 PM
my pick would be the MP5A4 suppressed. i know that there are better guns but this was the first gun that i fell in love with

shotgunjoel
March 22, 2011, 07:07 PM
M2 carbine and a bunch of magazines and cases of ammo. They sell for well under $20,000 which leaves room for lots of ammo.

Jonah71
March 23, 2011, 10:16 AM
I guess I'm just old and easy to please. Just give me the M 16 A2 in excellent condition and I'd be fine. But I may also need to see out of my right eye again as well.

bbuddtec
March 23, 2011, 01:25 PM
M16 A2, got my ammo ready! ;)


For strictly HD, it would be MP5sd of course :D

gym
March 23, 2011, 01:52 PM
Mp5sd2

mistermills357
March 23, 2011, 02:25 PM
The Colt M-4 Carbine is what I would choose as an automatic.
It just rocks the house down.
I like it over the M-16, MP-5 or any other automatic that I have fired.

cheygriz
March 23, 2011, 05:17 PM
Colt M-4 with ACOG TA31F.

ball3006
March 23, 2011, 07:35 PM
I have shot alot of different full auto guns and I like the Uzi the best.......chris3

Ignition Override
March 24, 2011, 02:50 AM
What reasons, other than price, make various HK series so attractive to military/police forces around the world?

rayman
March 24, 2011, 03:24 AM
Loading a bunch of magazines to rock-n-roll sucks. Belt fed is where it's at for me. Barrels get hot really fast too. M249 para with a few extra barrels and a billion rounds is what I'd ask Santa for...

AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken
March 24, 2011, 05:58 AM
oooo.. that BAR does whisper lovely, and dirty things to me.. but I don't think I could rock n roll an 06 without a backstop.. Unless I'm using the rest of the cash to pay one of you guys to follow me around, and hold me up, I'd be shootin' planes by round 4 haha. If I'm going with an AK variant.. gotta give it to the AN-94.. Just couldn't justify using my "You get only one" pass on a '47, when you can do that with a trip to Dunham's, and a visit to the hardware store;) . But as far as I know (which ain't real far) Russia isn't letting anyone without a name that looks like it's printed on the outside of a wolf ammo box get ahold of the AN-94..:(

RobMoore
March 24, 2011, 06:36 AM
The uzi is more fun FA than the MP5, but I think I'd chose an AK.

Dejavu
March 24, 2011, 08:22 AM
First choice- A selective full auto M14 (So I can snipe with it also) (nostalgia from the time I spent in the USMC)
Second choice- 45 Cal "grease" gun (a close second)
Third - AK47 (for durability and dependability)

AK103K
March 24, 2011, 08:24 AM
What reasons, other than price, make various HK series so attractive to military/police forces around the world?
They are very accurate, controllable, and very easy to shoot well with.

They were also basically the first to have guns that were easily adapted for different use.

An MP5 can be used as an up close contact weapon, or seconds later, quickly scoped and making head shots at 100 yards.

Harvey/ Ga
March 25, 2011, 12:24 AM
I'd pick a 9mm Sterling, suppressed. I have the semi-auto carbine, and it's the most accurate 9mm carbine that I've ever fired..2 3/4 inch rested groups at 100 YARDS (iron sights), something the semi-auto Uzis and HK-94's that I shot did at 50 FEET.

doc2rn
March 25, 2011, 03:25 AM
American 180 in .22lr for me also.

dbro822
March 26, 2011, 12:44 AM
I've never fired a full auto, but a MP5 suppressed has always spiked my intrest, but a full bore M14, that is something that I would love to try.

Add almost any quote from TR, most are timeless.

True Grit
March 26, 2011, 04:39 PM
AA-12

Ala Dan
March 26, 2011, 08:19 PM
U.S. Army "Cobra Gunship" thats all I would need~! ;) :D

Harvey/ Ga
March 26, 2011, 11:10 PM
Hmmmm...why the MG42 instead of the MG34??

JTHunter
March 26, 2011, 11:47 PM
For reasons of practicality, the Thompsons leaves a lot to be desired. Granted, it has a fast cyclic rate of fire, but it is STILL a pistol cartridge. It has neither the speed or range to be a decently effective weapon beyond 100-150 ft. :rolleyes:
On the other hand, AK clones using the 7.62x39 cartridge have a higher powered round with better ballistics and at least double the range of the Thompsons. :)
As it is a "man-carried" weapon, it has advantages of mobility over heavy machine guns like the Ma Duece, or some kind of Gatling gun.
It's also a LOT less expensive so you can buy more ammo. :D

bsheets20061
March 27, 2011, 12:57 AM
suppressed fmg or a g18 supressed with sbr kit

marsofold
March 27, 2011, 02:50 AM
S&S Arms Co. Sidewinder 45acp (see Soldier Of Fortune Oct 1979)

kludge
March 27, 2011, 03:12 AM
If I lived in a "free state" I wouldn't need $20,000 to buy a machine gun.

kingvillien
March 27, 2011, 03:29 AM
I would go with a silenced rpb mac-10. Seems like it would be a fun full auto gun that you could do a lot with accessory wise. :) Also, no one has mentioned it thus far.

89LSC
March 27, 2011, 11:39 PM
I'd probably go with an M60 with a MK43 kit put on it. But that's just my opinion.

Ignition Override
March 28, 2011, 01:20 AM
AK103K:
It's my impression that the military version of the HK Sporter C-93 (5.56/.223)...G 41?..has about the same muzzle rise as the M-16/M-4 during rapid semi-auto use.

It appears that Century Arms (as almost always with foreign semi-autos:() is the only importer/assembler of the C-93 in .223.
I'll never consider their guns, unless it is a bolt-action. Century's "colorful feedback";) on various boards is the reason I decided against any CETME etc.

AK103K
March 28, 2011, 08:59 AM
Theres always the original HK's, although you'll pay a premium for them these days.

They are also available as registered machine guns, or with registered select fire "trigger packs" that can be swapped from gun to gun.

I never had any bad luck with the couple of Century guns Ive owned. I still have my old SAR1 and WASR10, with their CAI's scrawling on them. The SAR1 wasnt pretty out of the box, the WASR was much better, and both shoot just as good as my Krebs Saiga conversion that was twice the price.

SSN Vet
March 28, 2011, 01:05 PM
Having just re-watched Band of Brothers, I'd have to say an M1 Thompson

Brian Williams
March 29, 2011, 08:11 AM
A Sterling would float my boat, but I would take a Grease gun or an AR lower.

brnmuenchow
March 29, 2011, 11:03 AM
In truth, it may not be the most american answer, it may not even be considered the greatest, but I would have to go with the soviet "PKM" 7.62x54Rmm machine gun. Why? Fully auto, lots's of fun and cheap surplus ammo add's that to the even more fun list. Second choice if I had it an H&K MP5 .9x19mm. .9mm's are always fun to shoot and the ammo $ is reasonable.

Br
March 29, 2011, 09:11 PM
Torn between a Steyr AUG and an AK-47. Would probably end up going for the legendary AK-47 in the end.

wallerus
March 29, 2011, 09:22 PM
M2 !

mshootnit
March 29, 2011, 09:27 PM
Thompson

mgregg85
March 29, 2011, 09:48 PM
Just give me a registered reciever for an AR-15, can you get one of those for under 20k?

BlackSky
March 30, 2011, 05:24 PM
If I wasn't such a fan of .45ACP I'd say a BAR but since I do love the 45's I'll go with a Thompson with stick magazines.

RimfireChris
March 30, 2011, 10:33 PM
It's a toss up for me, either a PPSH and as many 72 round drums as I could get, or an RPD. They've both got that ugly/brutal/effective look that I like about the Soviet hardware. Sadly, the RPD might actually be cheaper to shoot. :scrutiny:

monkyboy1975
March 30, 2011, 11:01 PM
Either a Ma deuce or an M240. don't know about prices though.

hiawatha
March 31, 2011, 12:34 AM
An AA-12 shotgun. See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

Ignition Override
March 31, 2011, 04:08 AM
AK103K:
To contradict myself, I would consider a semi-auto assembled by Century if I knew the owner and could try out the rifle a few times.
Their more recent products seem to be much better than those from years ago.

Why are bolts 'ground'? Is this done to allow them to fit into a specific action?

Bohemus
March 31, 2011, 04:27 AM
What would it be?

Your budget is $20,000.


$20,000 can get you quite a lot of fun..
I would buy
1. ZB 37
2. MG 34
3. UK 59
3. LK vz. 52/57
4. vz.58
5. škorpion - both old and new
6. Steir AUG
7. SIG 542
8. CZ 805A

(using current and proposed(cz 805) prices in CZ:
http://www.zelenysport.cz/scripts/zbozi.php?KID=9 )

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