xdm vs. xd


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seed
March 21, 2011, 09:29 AM
I did my search and could not find one single thread specifically about this topic, believe it or not. Anyway, I recently came across some related threads in which posters unsolicitely recommended going with the XD over the XDM. I would like to know why. Or explain why you think the XDM is worth the extra money compared to the original XD. You could include whatever variation of each variety in your explanation (compacts, 3.8, subcompacts, 5-inchers , etc.). I myself have an old pre-melonite XD-40 (which I got duracoated) and it is one of the very few guns I own which has never - not once ever failed. And it is accurate.

Thanks.

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Ala Dan
March 21, 2011, 10:19 AM
I own a 4" service model .45 ACP XD, that I purchased in
late December of '05. The only upgrade I have done to it,
was to add a set of TRU-GLO TFO's to it. Its an accurate
shooting weapon, that has NEVER had any type of
malfunction. I see no need in acquiring a .45 ACP XDM~! :scrutiny: ;) :D

jawn
March 21, 2011, 10:36 AM
I voted XDM if only for the size differences between the models. The 3 incher is a bit too small for my tastes, and the 4 is a tad to large for the standard XD. The XDM has the 3.8 inch one that fits right where I'd like, size-wise.

M ammo
March 21, 2011, 10:57 AM
On the XDM they seem to have,,, made things a lil nicer,, I might say,, fix this and that,,

I have 2 of them,, they have been good guns,,

Jim M ammo

griff383
March 21, 2011, 11:13 AM
Ive owned both and shot a few other models of each. First let me say that I have yet to see one fail. I had one of the first XDs, a 4" .40 and a buddy had one in 9mm. We put everything we could find through them, not one problem. The only things we didnt like about the old XD's were the triggers. Ive had other friends shoot mine and more than one agreed with me. Ive shot the new (XDm) compact 9mm and a full size .45, trigger is much better on the XDms. If they would have put the XDm trigger in my old XD 40 I would have never gotten rid of it.

bds
March 21, 2011, 11:17 AM
XD45 has a known problem of extracting/feeding SWC nose profile bullets due to a flat slide rib. XDm45 fixed this problem by modifying the slide rib.

So, if you want to shoot SWC, get a XDm.

Either way, very accurate pistols!

Greg528iT
March 21, 2011, 11:25 AM
I've handled both. I like the shaved down / less squareness of the M.. the trigger out of the box felt way better on the M.. I've shot my nephew's XDm, 9.. it's very nice.

Ala Dan
March 21, 2011, 11:36 AM
originally posted by: bds

"XD's have a known problem extracting/feeding SWC's"

Funny thing, I've never encountered that problem~! I use Magnus 200 grain
L-SWC's in all of my .45 ACP's. ;) :D If your OAL is correct, then extracting
or feeding should not be a problem. Guess I got a "good one", the first time
around~!

FWIW- My XD is not a primary carry gun; as I normally carry some sort'a 1911;
but, I do use the XD for instructional range use as well as for HD.

DaBull
March 21, 2011, 11:36 AM
Voted XD only because I am looking for a subcompact and XDm isn't making one (yet?).

Whiskey11
March 21, 2011, 05:46 PM
The primary differences between the two are:
XDm has a match barrel.
XDm has replaceable back straps to have a more custom fit to your hand.
XDm has some modifications done to help with feeding.
XDm looks slightly different
XDm has a slightly different trigger (supposedly better, I can't remember the how the trigger felt the last time I shot an XDm)
XDm has a higher capacity
XDm does not require you to pull the trigger on disassembly

Personally, I would have rather gotten the XDm over my XD .45 Tactical, but I DO NOT regret my purchase. I qualified with my XD .45 for work with a 470/500 with absolute ill regard for where shots where going. Personally, I'd go hold one, go shoot one, then decide, but no matter what you do, BUY ONE :)

CHALK22
March 21, 2011, 05:54 PM
I have both a XDm 9mm and a XD .45 5" tactical. They are both great guns, but I would have to day that the XDm is more......refined. Match barrel, interchangeable backstraps, yadda yadda, I am sure you know the info. I LOVE my 9mm, and I have also converted my BIL and SIL to XDm 3.8 and XDm 9mm respecitvely. I am going to use it to shoot USPSA this year also, as I just did my first intro course and match yesterday. I have upgraded the 9mm with a Powder River Precision trigger kit, which did away with almost all the trigger takeup and overtravel, while lowering the trigger pull to boot. Just a great shooting gun all around. I traded a guy for my XD45, and I have only about 50 rounds through it so far, fit, finish, and worksmanship is all there. Either on is going to be a good choice, but I voted XDm.

Oh, one other thing in regards to the previous post. THe XDM does not require you to pull the trigger for slide removal. THAT BEING SAID, if you drop the slide release with the takedown lever in the up position, it will allow you to shoot your slide across the garage onto the floor bouncing and shedding spring and barrel as it goes........as me how I know. And one other thing, not a mark on that bad boy after the fact.

kansersurvivor
March 21, 2011, 05:59 PM
Voted XD simply because that's what I own. XD9SC.

verdun59
March 21, 2011, 06:24 PM
What's so hard about pulling the trigger for slide removal ? I see this creep up repeatedly and I just don't get it.

bds
March 21, 2011, 09:53 PM
XD's have a known problem extracting/feeding SWC's

Funny thing, I've never encountered that problem~! I use Magnus 200 grain
L-SWC's in all of my .45 ACP's. If your OAL is correct, then extracting
or feeding should not be a problem. Guess I got a "good one", the first time
around~!

Here's a lengthy discussion of XD45 jamming with SWC at XD Talk forum - http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xd-45acp-discussion-room/58545-45-swc-jamming.html

XDm45 do not have this problem as the slide rib was modified to push down on top of the round in the magazine while the extracting case base rim clears the SWC shoulder.

CZ57
March 21, 2011, 10:04 PM
I voted XDm. I have the .45 and love it. Was unaware of the SWC issue when I bought my XDm so the ability to shoot them is just a bonus. I also shoot 200 gr. RNFPs and they are very accurate.;)

CZ-Guy
March 22, 2011, 12:00 AM
XDm. I've had both the all-black and the stainless slide. I prefer the all-black from a maintenance standpoint. Both of mine were tack drivers and of the roughly 1,000 rounds I put through them - I had ZERO malfunctions. For me, the 4.5 felt like it was more balanced than the 3.8. Both were in 9mm.

INMY01TA
March 22, 2011, 01:55 AM
I have both and like my XD better.

seed
March 22, 2011, 04:26 AM
I have both and like my XD better.

So far you seem to be in the minority, but hardly alone. Others have said similar and voted likewise, yet none (or virtually none) have gone into great depth about why they feel the way they do on the subject...especially compared to the XDM people. Could you XD-types elaborate a little bit like the XDM crowd has?

evan price
March 22, 2011, 04:39 AM
I'd have to agree with regard to feed problems with the SWC profile and the XD. Same problem in 9mm XD too. SOme SWC profiles have a more rounded shoulder than others and don't jam. Some are more squared off and will amost always jam. The rim of the fired case hooks on the shoulder of the SWC and you get a jam. Personally seen it.

Of course some guns, even 1911s, do not like SWCs either. Since I normally use ball profile I don't bother worrying.

mfcmb
March 22, 2011, 05:28 AM
I have a 4" XD45. I'd *like* to get an XDM because it's newer but can't really justify the cost. My XD:

* Fits my hand perfectly.
* Is way more accurate than I am.
* Has a perfectly acceptable trigger.
* Is completely reliable.

Whiskey11
March 22, 2011, 12:59 PM
What's so hard about pulling the trigger for slide removal ? I see this creep up repeatedly and I just don't get it.

Absolutely nothing is hard about it, but some people don't like having to do that to disassemble due to the safe gun handling rules or fear that their 10000 checks to make sure it's unloaded where indeed correct. I personally don't have any issues with it, although it is one more thing to do while disassembling, it's not a huge hassle.

I just wish you could hold the trigger down with the slide back and have it come off when let forward, rather than have to put it back to slide forward position, then pull the trigger to release the firing pin and then pull it apart.

As the French say, C'est la vie!

rellascout
March 22, 2011, 01:01 PM
The XDM is more extreme!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:

straitnate14
March 22, 2011, 02:23 PM
I like my plain XD I have shot an XDM but I don't see the need to buy one... Yet!

Z-Michigan
March 22, 2011, 02:28 PM
Of those two, the XDm, for the larger capacity and better chosen barrel lengths.

Looking more broadly however, neither one. I've put a lot of trigger time behind the original XD, the M&P9c, the Glock (17, 19, 22), the Steyr M9, and various DA/SA pistols, and I would really choose the Glock ahead of any of the other striker-fired pistols. Which is really funny as it's the last type I bought and I had a strong anti-Glock bias for a long time (thinking, wrongly, "they're dangerous, they blow up, it's just fanboyism, the grip angle is wrong" etc. etc.), but a friend had a Glock for years and funny thing, I always shot better than he did with it, AND I shot better with it than with any pistols I owned. So eventually I broke down, bought a Glock and really changed my views.

I'm not trying to impose one brand on anyone, just speaking as someone who's put a lot of rounds through the three major competitors in that category.

Remo223
March 22, 2011, 02:37 PM
Mags aren't interchangeable. For that reason alone I would stick with the original XD.

Manco
March 22, 2011, 05:39 PM
What's so hard about pulling the trigger for slide removal ? I see this creep up repeatedly and I just don't get it.

It's a safety issue--history shows that people won't always remember to make sure that the gun is unloaded before pulling the trigger to remove the slide, and when that happens the results could be (and have been) tragic. I can see the reasoning behind both sides of the debate, so I'm kind of ambivalent, although I lean more toward thinking that it's good to not require pulling the trigger just to disassemble the gun. I mean, given the option isn't it better to eliminate an unnecessary exception to the fundamental rule of keeping one's finger off the trigger (much less actually pulling it) when not shooting? This seems to make sense to me, even if requiring one to pull the trigger should theoretically not be an issue at all for those who practice safe handling. While I for one would not shy away from buying any gun for this reason, being confident that I handle guns in a careful and safe manner, it is still perhaps not the absolute best design choice.

Absolutely nothing is hard about it, but some people don't like having to do that to disassemble due to the safe gun handling rules or fear that their 10000 checks to make sure it's unloaded where indeed correct.

It's not those who check their guns 10000 times that some folks are worried about--it's the ones who may forget and kill themselves or (more likely) somebody else who did check their own gun 10000 times. :uhoh: Ideally, proper training should be the real solution to this issue, but let's be realistic--not everybody who owns a gun bothers to learn how to handle it safely. I realize that we can't idiot-proof everything, but specifically removing an unnecessary requirement to pull the trigger (which becomes ingrained in the "muscle memory" as an unsafe habit) is not a bad idea at all.

Ala Dan
March 23, 2011, 04:58 PM
I had a face-to-face conversation with one of my co-workers who has
competed all over the southern half of The United States about the
potential problem that our friend bds mentioned in an earlier post,
regarding extracting/feeding issues with the regular Springfield
Armory XD's. He told me, in his many years of competing with an XD
[and a previous HS 2000]; he has not experienced any extracting or
feeding issues with any XD type of firearm~! He went own too say,
that he has not even thought a'bout purchasing a XDM .45 ACP cuz
his XD shoots so darn well.

He says that he has literally put thousands of rounds downrange,
using 200 grain L-SWC bullets in his XD.

SIGLBER
March 23, 2011, 05:10 PM
I have both the 4" and 3" XD9's. I liked the 4" so much I also bought the sub-compact. Both are very accurate, go bang everytime, have great ergonomics, and a very good trigger. I looked at the XDm's. To me it the XDM did not offer anything over the regular XD that would make it worth trading to me. The guns are already very accurate so as far as practical self defense ranges the match barrel on the XDM means nothing. The grip size and angle is great so I don't need the backstraps. And trigger reset is a matter of training. I couldn't shoot the XDM any faster than the XD. If you want the extra goodies go for it. But the only real reason I would buy the XDM was if my hand were large and the backstraps help.

bds
March 23, 2011, 10:40 PM
Ala Dan, that's why I posted the link to a particular 8 page thread on "XD Jamming" (there are many other SWC jamming XD threads there) - http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xd-45acp-discussion-room/58545-45-swc-jamming-8.html

I linked that particular thread because it starts in January of 2008 to provide some historical chronology through 2009 posts. Some will post that the jamming problem is either OK to full jam on extraction. If your friend is one of particular that did not experience the jamming on extraction problem, then that is one STATISTICAL sample.

The general consensus on XD forums is that XD45 has tendencies for the extracting case base to bump into the shoulders of SWC bullets. As many posted, if the shoulders are rounded, the extracting case base may ride over this rounded shoulder, but may not on a sharper "square" shoulder. This among OAL fixes are well discussed on various SWC XD Jamming threads.

For me, if someone who is not familiar with a particular firearm is asking for advise/recommendation that their LIFE may depend on, I want to offer as much information as possible, with qualifiers. If I am asked whether to go with XD or XDm, my recommendation would be XDm first. I would also recommend XD and recommend they shoot RN profile bullets and avoid SWC bullets. I regard XD45 highly as it is one of more accurate pistols with several published 25 yard shot groups that surpass most current factory production pistol shot groups. M&P45 will come close only after aftermarket trigger job. I wish I could buy a XDm45, but the stupid CA laws keep it out of my hands unless SA makes some modifications (same for Gen4 Glocks).

So, once more with clarification ... XD45 has known extraction issues with SWC bullets that have "sharp/square" shoulders due to flat slide rib and SWC bullets with "more rounded" shoulder MAY extract OK.

XDm45 do not have this problem due to modified slide rib design and will reliably extract SWC bullets, even those with sharp/square shoulders.

Peace. :D

Ala Dan
March 24, 2011, 06:49 AM
Att: bds my friend-

No harm, and No foul pard'ner~! Many thanks for the clarification, so we will
leave it at that. I must admit, I did not read all 8 or 9 pages of your link, as
time did not permit. Maybe, I have been lucky and not experienced cartridges
with sharp shoulders, I don't know; but my regualr 4" service model XD .45
ACP runs fine~! Good Luck with yours; and Maybe you will get your wish
soon, an XDM~!

Peace is granted, Brother :) ;)

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