Ballistic Tip vs Match King Hollow Point


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Dbaggerly
March 21, 2011, 10:35 PM
Looking for some good info or opinions on the differences between 223 ballistic tips and Match King Hollow Points. So here are a few questions. Which has better terminal performance? and Which has better over all accuracy? I am looking mainly at the Nosler 55gr Ballistic tips and Black Hills 77gr Sierra Match King Hollow Points.

Daniel Baggerly

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Moose1995
March 21, 2011, 10:48 PM
Long ago I re-loaded the Nosler 50 grn ballistic tips, and the sierra match kings....I believe they were 52 grn. I can't remember....it was 15 years ago. All I do remember was that the Noslers were easily the most accurate at the 200 yard range. I loaded both using the same brass, same primers, same powder. I was 3/4 MOA with the sierras, and 1/2 moa with the Noslers. You ask about the heavier sierras, however..... I think that it depends on your rate of twist. What are you shooting? Whats your twist rate?

Moose1995
March 21, 2011, 10:50 PM
Oh yeah, I was also shooting a 22-250. Both bullets will make a prairie dog look like an m-80 went off inside them at 200 yds. What are you planning on shooting?

HOOfan_1
March 21, 2011, 11:04 PM
I've had equally good luck with Sierra 50 grain Blitzkings in my .22-250. Different rifles, like different bullets.

LiquidTension
March 21, 2011, 11:11 PM
I don't believe the SMKs are designed to be used on game. I assume that's what you're using these for since you asked about terminal performance?

Dbaggerly
March 21, 2011, 11:37 PM
I am shooting an ar 15 with a 20 inch ss bull barrel and a 16 inch mid length. The 20 inch is 1:8 Twist and the 16 is 1:7. Looking for a round that will shoot well in booth and give good performance. I use the 20 inch for mostly Coyotes and the 16 inch for defense and some other game like ground hogs. All I am trying to do is stock up 223 while I have some extra money and dont really want to buy one round for one gun and one round for another.

Daniel Baggerly

JDMorris
March 21, 2011, 11:44 PM
Load the 75 grain A-Max, or the 77 grain SMK, they will both work well in both rifles if you can work the load up..
I would lean towards the A-Max, because I have heard it can be used successfully for hunting, and it's the bullet used in the TAP ammo that most PD's issue their snipers..

Moose1995
March 22, 2011, 12:17 AM
I agree with JDMorris. With those fast twist rates the heavier bullets should shoot quite well.

dzelenka
March 22, 2011, 01:46 AM
Load the 75 grain A-Max, or the 77 grain SMK, they will both work well in both rifles if you can work the load up..
I would lean towards the A-Max, because I have heard it can be used successfully for hunting, and it's the bullet used in the TAP ammo that most PD's issue their snipers..
The 75 Amax is not a magazine length bullet. They will have to be loaded singly.

I like both bullets for different purposes. If I was forced to choose 1 it would be the 77 SMK.

TonyAngel
March 22, 2011, 06:24 PM
How far out are you trying to reach? As a practical matter, 300 yards is probably the max distance at which a 50ish grain bullet could be considered to be the best thing to use. Beyond that, you'll likely want something like a 69 or 77gr bullet. The lighter bullets that rely more on velocity for their energy will also bleed off more energy down range.

What are you trying to do?

For my fast twist .223s, I like the 77gr SMKs over 24gr of Reloader 15 using a Remington 7.5 primer. It's sort of a "standard" load for a fast twist .223. As for terminal performance, I don't know what to say. The 77gr SMK is NOT a hunting bullet and Sierra tells you that, but they sure did make a mess.

Just keep in mind that many comparisons that you hear may not be fair. In one of the above posts, a gent claimed that the 52gr ballistic tip was more accurate than the SMK. But...that was with the same power. That's not to say that the SMK wouldn't have been more accurate with a different powder. In my limited experience, I've had better luck with ball powders with lighter bullets and stick powder with heavier bullets.

Still, if I wanted to "stock up" to cover all of my .223 needs, I'd opt for the 69gr SMK. This bullet has shot well in all of the .223s that I've tried them in that had 1:10 twist or faster barrels. I even had one .223 with a 1:12 that really liked these. If I knew that I'd only be shooting 1:7 and 1:8 barrels, it would be the 77gr SMK.

As mentioned before, the 75gr AMaxs do shoot well, but they are too long for magazines. Unless you're up for single loading, avoid these.

cskip1
September 7, 2011, 12:30 PM
i am trying to find a 69 grain ballistic tip bullet for my dpms ar 1 in 9 twist does any one know where i can find any

P-32
September 7, 2011, 05:15 PM
The hollow point you see on a SMK is not, I repeat is not for expanding the bullet. The hollow point you see on a SMK is the results of the way the jacket is drawn when making the bullet.

Smk's are not recommended for huntin'.

shootr
September 7, 2011, 11:03 PM
Different bullets, different game / uses. Suggest you settle on the most accurate loadings for the different bullets, then use each for specific applications.

FWIW, I've had good luck finding loads for everthing I've tried in ARs. They just seem to shoot well, 77 grain SMKs included. I have not tried BTs in the AR yet but I've used them in several other calibers and they always shoot accurately and work well on game.

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