For anyone looking for HST or EFMJ


March 22, 2011, 05:57 PM
It looks like TDS-US has a variety of it in stock, 124+P 9mm, 155 and 180 .40, and 230+P .45 ranging in price from $25 for the 9mm and .40 stuff to $28 for the .45, though there are a couple of oddball loads they've got too that have different prices.

Not sure why the XM40HC is $29, but whatever. Sweet that they have the 165 grain EFMJ for $18, haven't seen that very often, and never for that cheap.

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March 22, 2011, 06:01 PM
Oh yeah I forgot something-

I guess they have some .40 Ranger and Ranger-T stuff too-

Whoa they have .38 Nyclad too, not sure if that's a good price, I haven't seen it before, but I thought that stuff was out of production. Also some Starfire .45 if anyone like the daddy of HST.

March 22, 2011, 11:44 PM
I guess the reason they don't show a lot of the different loads for each type of bullet is because they only show what they've got in stock. Seems like a solid practice.

March 23, 2011, 12:59 AM
I've never really had any interest in Federal's Expanding Full-Metal Jackets, but for $18/50, it's not much more than typical FMJ ammunition to complain much. I bought a few boxes just to give them a shot.

At the absolute least, I have some plinking ammunition. Considering that I have only one pistol in .40S&W and don't reload for it (and probably have only 200 round on hand for it), I'm glad I bought them. I'm aware they're likely factory seconds that failed some gov't test for accuracy, but a box of 50 Federal EFMJ for $18 still seem like a deal to me.

Thanks for that link, NG VI!

March 23, 2011, 01:07 AM
I think, from the way they were treating some of the other ammo, it might have been from some agency or other that decided after the fact that they didn't feel like buying everything they ordered, so they can resell it, but not in the box. They have some little notice where they say the stuff they have to bag will come with the endflap of the box in with it.

Yeah the EFMJ stuff I had a box of once, it was kind of cool, I wouldn't call it quite as good as the best hollowpoints but it's pretty decent, if you live in New Jersey it's the best you can do. If I remember I paid about $24 for it about three years ago at a shop in town.

March 23, 2011, 07:55 AM
NJ allows hollow point ammunition in your home.

March 23, 2011, 01:12 PM
I've heard so many different variations on the NJ laws on hollowpoints that if I were living in NJ I would most likely just roll with the EFMJ while I waited for a letter back from the attorney general's office on what's really good.

March 23, 2011, 05:38 PM
From NJSP web site

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Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.
N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that: (2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows: 1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
3.A person going directly to a target range, and;
4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."
As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g.
If the sportsman's club member plans to hunt with a rifle and use hollow nose ammunition in a state where this is permitted, he must comply with the provisions of U.S.C.A. 926A ( and N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f) and (6)(g), which is consistent with the federal law, in transporting the firearm and ammunition. The firearm should be unloaded and neither the firearm nor the ammunition should be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm and the ammunition should be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or the console. 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
In addition, the sportsman should have a valid hunting license in his possession from the state in which he plans to hunt and should be familiar with that state's gun laws. N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f)(2) requires a person hunting in this State to have a valid hunting license in his possession while traveling to or from the hunting area. Hunting with hollow nose ammunition is permitted in New Jersey. In the case of a New Jersey resident traveling to another state to hunt, it logically would follow that the hunting license would be from the state where the hunter is going. Although the federal statute does not require possession of a hunting license, it does require that the person transporting the firearm be going to a state where possession of that object is lawful. A valid hunting license from that state effectively supplies the proof.
These conditions for use and transport of hollow nose ammunition are consistent with the legislative intent to restrict the use of such ammunition to a limited number of people. It is well established that in construing a statute exceptions are to be "strictly but reasonably construed, consistent with the manifest reason and purpose of the law." Service Armament Co. v. Hyland, 70 N.J. 550, 558-559 (1976). The State Supreme Court has "characterized the Gun Control Law as 'highly purposed and conscientiously designed toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from acquiring firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to obtain them with minimal burdens.'" Id. at 559.

March 23, 2011, 05:48 PM
^ What a regulatory/legal nightmare. Once again, I'm glad that I live in Texas.

March 26, 2011, 02:03 PM
Yeah New Jersey does seem like a real downer. It's cool that they "allow" you to use whatever ammunition you want inside your home, but it's still an unbelievable pain, and I'm not convinced it won't result in charges being leveled anyway by some officer or DA with an agenda or lack of knowledge.

March 28, 2011, 03:36 PM
I just received my 150 rounds of Federal EFMJ from TDS. The boxes were in better shape than the seller lead on, so I'm quite pleased.

Thanks again for the link!

March 28, 2011, 07:34 PM
No problem, I've bought from them a few times, the shipping was way fast and they tend to have good stuff, sometimes some oddball loads, yeah they're fast and have good product, what else can you say about them?

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