[ravinraven]

About 50 years ago now we fried the Rosenburgs. They has supposedly passed a series of formulas defining the shape of the charges that surrounded the nuclear "pill" in the A-bomb called "the fat man" and others of its generation to the USSR. Their spying put the Soviet A-bomb project about four months ahead of where it was at that time.

[Julius Rosenberg's USSR code name was Liberal, by the way. Can anyone make a connection there?]

The question of the hour is: Which couple did the most damage to the fabric of America: the Rosenburgs or the Clintons?

[AnklePocket]

Nice question. I don't know much about the Rosenbergs, but I'd put my money on the Clintons.

[Monkeyleg]

The Rosenberg's sold out their country on one front. The Clinton's sold it out on many, many fronts.

Sorry, but your question is just too easy! :D

[jmbg29]

It is even simpler than that. The Klintons aren't done yet.:fire: :fire: :fire:

[Oatka]

What jmbg29 said.

The Rosenbergs helped Russia catch up - a one-time deal. The Clintons sold us out to anyone who had the dough and the results are still reverberating.

I was a teen in NYC when the Rosenberg's were fried. A bunch of us kids got around a radio and did the countdown. When "0" came we all yelled "ZZZZTT" and made like we were throwing the switch.

The only one who was upset was our local Communist, but we ignored him. He was a kind of weird hero - served with the Abraham Lincoln Battalion in the Spanish Civil War and got shot up pretty good.

[Hkmp5sd]

The Rosenberg's gave classified information to the USSR for ideological reasons. The Clintons did/are doing it for money and power and to anyone that can provide them with either.

[PATH]

Klintons! No contest.

[dustind]

the rosenbergs gave tons of info, proximity detonators, inteligence on our capabilities, tons of tech

but atleast they wern't klintons

[Wildalaska]

Ever consider that the Rosebergs may have been innocent?

Bill Clinton wasnt

WildrevisionistAlaska

[Blackhawk]

Everybody's got it right so far!

We haven't yet plumbed the depth of the Clintons' treason nor have we imagined the damage yet to be caused by it.

[Phyphor]

To be fully honest and serious, I can't believe what I'm reading.

While I wasn't any great fan of Clinton's ...er... work, I still don't see him in the same light as a pair of traitors that gave up nuclear secrets to a known hostile nation.

Clinton's damage might have been bad, but at no time (that I can think of!) did he ever do anything that could have possibly ended up stripping continents from the crust, the Rosenbergs sure as hell did.

Clinton was a chump and an idiot. The Rosenburgs were the worst kind of traitors.

[Hkmp5sd]

Clinton was a chump and an idiot. The Rosenburgs were the worst kind of traitors.

I disagree.

First, there is some doubt as to what the Rosenberg's actually did and the information they did provide was not "nuclear secrets". Regardless, there were other spies working on the bomb that were providing the USSR with exact information on how to construct a nuclear device.

As for Clinton, what he did is unbelievable.

Remember North Korea, the country currently threatening to build nuclear weapons? Under Clinton, North Korea became the largest recipient of US foreign aid in the Asia-Pacific region. In a reversal of 9 previous presidents, Clinton not only provided foreign aid to North Korea, but included funding of up to $6 BILLION to construct nuclear reactors. The US funded light water reactors will accumulate plutonium in spent fuel at a rate of 17,300 ounces per year, enough to produce 65 nuclear weapons per year.

Clinton was also providing 500,000 metric tons of fuel oil per year to the communist dictatorship's state-run military-industrial base. This is twice the amount the civilian economy can use.

According to the Cox Committee report in 1999, as a result of US nuclear secrets acquired by China during the Clinton years, China, for the first time in its history, acquired the capacity to strike the continental United States with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles.


Which one appears to have caused the greatest harm to the US?


Source: CATASTOPHE: Clinton's Role in America's Worst Disaster by Christopher Ruddy and Carle Limbacher, Jr. (Newsmax)

[ravinraven]

Wow! That question woke everybody up. Plus I've learned some things I did not know.

Someone pointed out that we do not know that the Rosenburgs really did anything. That's a fact. That's why I used the word "supposedly" in the original post.

It is a fact that we may never know the damage Slickster has done. It makes the Rosenburgs look like role models. And the Klintons are still walking around. Worse than that, Hitlary is my beloved Senator! Whadacountry!

So now we have two KKK's The Ku Klux Klan and the Klinton Kounter Kulture. Next question: Which is worse?

[Waitone]

The Rosenburg's story concluded with their deaths.

It will be decades before we know the full extent of the Clinton's treason. Based on what we know so far I'd give the nod to the Rosenburgs. So much of what we knows has been documented by access to soviet archives. No question they were guilty.

We have yet to gain access to archives of China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and George Soros. I think in time the Clinton's will be judged the US's worst security breach.

Do I blame the Clinton's? Yep, they did their best to compromise US security, but never forget, we the voters of the US voted for them TWICE.

We did it to ourselves, people.

[TallPine]

We did it to ourselves, people.

Not me!

I voted for old what's-their-names ... Shrub and Pineapple.

[Zander]

I still don't see him in the same light as a pair of traitors that gave up nuclear secrets to a known hostile nation.I don't either...the Clintons were worse.

The nation's First Sociopath approved the sale of critical nuclear missile technology [over his own State Dept's adamant disapproval] in exchange for illegal campaign contributions. The agent responsible for funnelling some of those donations is the daughter of one of the PLA's highest-ranking generals. All this is matter of record...and the company which illegally transferred the technology, Loral, has as its CEO the Clinton's largest campaign donor in the '96 cycle.

We have Bill Clinton to thank for upping the Red Chinese's ICBM program an entire technological generation. If I lived on the Left Coast, I'd likely take that a lot more personally than I do.

[cracked butt]

The Soviets would have eventually developed nuclear weapons - just a matter of when. The Rosenbergs bought them a bit of time. The chinese ICBM design was at least 20 years behind American technology where their warheads could be accurate to within maybe 100 miles but now that the W-88 warhead design was given to them under clinton's watch, they have the capability of developing warheads that can hit within a few hundred yards of the intended target.

The rosenbergs may have brought the russians a few years of development, but the clintons gave china a few DECADES of hard fought, payed by Joe American Taxpayer research and development for a few bucks in campaign contributions.
Frying him for this is too good for him!

[Mike Irwin]

Ethel Rosenberg may well have been innocent, but it's pretty evident from what's coming out of the former Soviet Union that Julius Rosenberg was guilty.