Has anyone ever heard of Krytox?


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afponiky
March 26, 2011, 05:54 AM
Big dollar lubricant!

made by DuPont, not an oil, but not a grease.....

Just wondering if anyone has heard of it or used it.


Any thoughts?

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afponiky
March 26, 2011, 09:33 AM
I am very surprised that no one has heard about this.

This is the best lubricant that I have ever come across.


http://www2.dupont.com/Lubricants/en_US/index.html




I use it on all of my toys and will never use anything else!

It takes the heat, and the pressures that are put on all types of guns, hand guns and rifles.


No one has heard or uses this?


:neener:

Chip1wa
March 26, 2011, 10:02 AM
Yep, from what I've gathered through the years it's development and development of Krytox variants was a joint venture between Dupont and Loctite.

The product was developed for the space program where extreme lubrication of lubrication were needed. It's lubricating properties are good for near absolute zero all the way to a few thousand degrees.

It's composition is such that traditional cleaners and degreasers aren't effective in removing Krytox. It requires it's very own Krytox cleaner/degreaser.

In industry, it's used in rolling elements of ultra critical, supremely expensive equipment. Plants that make chlorine products use it because Krytox isn't effected or degraded by chlorine.

I'm a factory rep. for Loctite down here in Louisiana, and sell the stuff.

When folks say it's high dollar, how's $280 per standard grease gun sized cartridge sound? I like selling it in 16 lb tubs the most.

Dirty

DBryant
March 26, 2011, 10:39 AM
Wow, that sounds like some really great stuff. I'm curious how it would work for a gun lube.

You should consider selling it in M-14 grease pot sizes. It would still be expensive, but it would be down to a price that people could afford.

DBryant
March 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
OK, I looked it up and Fastenal has it on their website. $55 for a 2oz. tube of general purpose and $145 for a 2oz. tube of the high temp version. Ouch! I don't think I'll be getting any for my guns.

afponiky
March 26, 2011, 10:48 AM
Hi Chip1wa,

Yep, you know what I'm talking about.....

I didn't think that too may people knew about this. And yes it is expensive but worth it.

Like you said it doesn't get wiped off or go away.

It is always there and doesn't collect dirt, powder, dust as much as oils or other lubricants.

I was just curious as to the diversity of people out there on this site that may have come across this stuff.

It is not something that the average hobbyist uses or has heard of.



I would say that your cost is real low compared to what I have seen it going for, but then again your price must be based off of volume sales (case or gross)


What do you think of it for a gun lube?

Pistol Ranch
March 26, 2011, 11:09 AM
Here's another lube that I use made by Dow Corning..It used to be called "Extreme Low Temperature Grease"...now they call it what it is.. "Molykote".
High dollar and excellent lube for handgun slides..

P.R.

h-word
March 26, 2011, 11:58 AM
This all reads like a bad sales pitch...

I'll stick with Gunzilla.

doubleh
March 26, 2011, 12:22 PM
I had never heard of it and now that I have it won't change anything. Firearms in my world aren't subjected to the conditions it's designed for so I would realize no benefits. I'll just keep using the products that have done a good job for me over the years and keep my money in my pocket.

justin 561
March 26, 2011, 12:53 PM
This all reads like a bad sales pitch...

I was thinking the same when the first few posts were posted. The under 30 post--posters didn't make it seem any different. But I didn't want to seem like a ****** and start a argument on their thread, and lack of knowledge on the actual product.

Standing Wolf
March 26, 2011, 03:50 PM
It's composition is such that traditional cleaners and degreasers aren't effective in removing Krytox. It requires it's very own Krytox cleaner/degreaser.

Nah. None for me, thanks all the same.

T Bran
March 26, 2011, 04:04 PM
No offense intended but I could replace the worn components on my guns cheaper than buying the lubricant !

steven58
March 26, 2011, 09:41 PM
If I were carrying my 1911 on a mission to Mars I'd consider it.

Otherwise it seems like very expensive overkill in the lubricant area with no apparent detergent capability.

For my firearms, especially the ARs, I like lubes that in addition to high lubricity characteristics, also have high detergency additives so carbon fouling is held in suspension and or softened up to aid in cleaning.

A decent anti corrosion /anti wear pkg helps too. Oh, and I want it to be relatively inexpensive, backed by a major multinational corporation, and easily available to boot!

That's why 99.9% of the time all I need is Mobil-1 VTwin 20-50. Slip 2000 EWL for when I have to HALO into Afghanistan by moonlight.:cool:

PS: sorry for the hijack:o

chrisnoel27
March 26, 2011, 11:19 PM
I'm a vendor for Intel, specifically vacuum pumps and abatement. Our pumps are Roots blower design that run 365/24/7. Never shut off till they die, which is usually 3 to 8 years, depending on the application. I'm talking serious lubrication. We use Krytox in our vacuum pumps. We also use Barrierta oil. Both are VERY good oil, worth the money in certain applications, like the one I mentioned, overkill in most other situations.

Chip1wa
March 26, 2011, 11:42 PM
It's an overkill for a a weapon even if you get it for free in my opinion.

---could you let everyone in on your post count when you first found this board? I thought so....

Dirty

steven58
March 27, 2011, 01:11 AM
Just because a particular lubricant is expensive and designed for extreme temperature operations does not necessarily mean it's a good choice for firearms.

Part of a lubricant's job in keeping a firearm running, especially a semi or full auto, is dealing with the fouling produced by it's operation and protecting from corrosion. That's why my choice is motorcycle grade Mobil-1.

If on the other hand I was just looking for the most expensive slippery stuff I could squirt in my rifle I'd just buy this

http://www.rcbuckingbulls.com/News.html

Hey! I lube MY AR with "13X Kid Rock", at $3,000.00 a shot! Beat that:neener:

LibShooter
March 27, 2011, 01:27 AM
Krytox sounds like a Spiderman villain. A mild mannered house painter falls in a vat of radioactive Krylon. Now he robs banks by spraying paint from his index finger with enough force to cut through vault doors.

But I digress.

But, I have a serious question. How many clean & lubes on my 1911 would a 2 ounce tube provide?

afponiky
March 27, 2011, 01:51 AM
Hey Justin,

Don't forget that some of us had to start over since the changes that have been made with the two different web sites........ Oh did you forget?

:)



And no I'm not selling it, I just am able to get it and use it.


Man, you guys got your panties on real tight tonight, don't you!


:neener:





mellow out a little, I just wanted to see who may have heard of it and may be using it.

No, it isn't something that you would buy at the cost. But I can get it and use it so don't get all uptight. I know that there will be a dozen of you that will find fault with it. Who cares? That wasn't what my post was all about.


Again, I'm not selling it, don't want to, won't do it.

I can't see how you think I'm pushing this product.... Hee Hee....


Guess you can't just talk about something without bashing someone or something. Some of you never even heard of it and your the experts now.....

Wow.......



I guess there was some truth in what has been said about the old site and the people there.....


If you go by number of posts that says alot about yourself.

So as the world turns........

steven58
March 27, 2011, 01:51 AM
You are a bold man LibShooter!

Lets see now 2oz = 59.1470592 ml. Each straw is .5 ml.

That's 118.2941184 straws figure one straw tops 2 per cleaning.

At $3,000.000 per straw that's a mere $ 354,882.36 for the 2oz container of 13X Kid Rock Ar lube.:evil:

paramedic70002
March 27, 2011, 04:04 AM
So if you can't clean it off, does that mean you just clean on top of it and it remains forever? Not a bad deal for 'permanent' lubricant as long as it does the job intended.

Chip1wa
March 27, 2011, 11:09 AM
Paramedic-you can clean it off, but during training on this product waaay back in Loctite elementary school, it was explained to me (and I'm paraphrasing and could be a bit WRONG Justin and I'm doing my absolute best to get the approval and praise of a 4XX post count mos-experienced veteran old-timer of THR) the lubricant works it's way into the minisucle surface imperfections, and this coupled with the wicked chemical resistance it has prevents it from being removed by traditional Cleaners and Degreasers.

I have a case of Krytox Cleaner, which is allegedly the only thing that removes Krytox grease/oil, and it does a number on oily/greasy/dirty parts.
But guess what...like the grease, it's a bit expensive, and an overkill for use on a weapon IMHO.

Dirty

Brian Williams
March 29, 2011, 08:43 AM
I have used krytox on some medical equipment when I was a biomed in the past, I wish I would have kept a small vial way back then, it would still be good today. I used a bit on my old k38 and it was great, clean up of the cylinder and yoke was a simple wipe down.

LNK
March 29, 2011, 10:18 AM
Just want to let everyone know to be careful with the stuff. I used to work in the paper industry and we used Krytox in the rotating steam heated vessel bearings. The Dupont rep on site(trial) showed us the MSDS sheet for the stuff, and warned us not to get any on our skin at all. There were unknown health hazards associated with this. This was in 1990, so I don't recall what they were. I do remember how adamant the Dupont guy was about this. Might want to check into that before you go using this on a firearm.

LNK

Jon_Snow
March 29, 2011, 02:49 PM
We used to use Krytox at work every once in a while so I thought I'd chime in. I wouldn't use it on my guns as we found it tends to gum up at temps over ~400 C. If you get it hot enough, long enough it actually solidifies. Also, it seems to collect dirt and grime and while I don't have data to support this, I think that the lubrication properties would deteriorate as that happens. Finally, yes, you need a special solvent to remove it but that doesn't mean that cleaining won't impact it's ability to keep your gun running. You need the special degreaser to remove all traces of the stuff, but most will come off with normal cleaning practises.

All of the above are why we USED to use it.

MutinousDoug
March 29, 2011, 04:03 PM
We used to use that stuff when I worked in the aerospace industry. We had to keep under lock and key to keep yahoos from stealing it to lube their Mtn bikes and who knows what. "It's expensive so it HAS to be good, right?"
It's a good product for space vacuum applications and severe temperatures; it doesn't migrate like petroleum lube at high temperatures and doesn't boil off at zero atmospheres. For most "normal" applications, there are more versatile petroleum products.
As I recall you are not supposed to eat it or smoke around it because it outgasses fluorine at something around 400f degrees so it might not be such a great firearms lube if you should get it into your chamber (or use it on your Ma Deuce).
I wouldn't bother to cross the street to get some for free but it's probably better than nothing if that's all you got.

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