ruger lc9 vs taurus 709


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johnnylaw53
March 26, 2011, 01:39 PM
Been thinking of going to a slim small 9mm to replace my S&W 642 as my off duty weapon. Was thinking of the mod 709 until the Ruger lc9 came out. I have read some good and some bad reviews about the 709 of course it's been out a lot longer then the ruger has. Is there anyone here that have used both? and if so what are your impression on which is better. They both seem to be close in size and price except the 709 come with two magazines and the ruger come with only one. thank you.

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bayhawk2
March 26, 2011, 01:57 PM
I have Taurus weapons and I have Ruger weapons.
I really like both.I've ordered the Ruger LC9
strickly on the basis of it's size and weight.
I am going to replace my Millinium Pro PT-111
carry gun with the LC 9.The manufacturers out there
are meeting the needs of CCW's.Sorry-I can't give a review
on either of the weapons you have mentioned. I can only
say I've heard great things on the LC9.B/H

Petros
March 26, 2011, 02:18 PM
I don't have a Taurus, but have the Lc9. Have 140 or so rounds of mixed 9mm through it. No problems so far. Biggest bummer is trigger is very long, but smooth enough. The way it carries makes up for that a bit. It's kinda like shooting my J frame. Fill out the registration online and they give you a code for 20% off. I ordered 2 more mags with pinky extender. Cost $68.70 shipped. Ouch, but on the way. Yes I do prefer the pinky extenders. Made the diff for me shooting and added little to the carry footprint. Petros

rich642z
March 26, 2011, 02:25 PM
I have a Ruger LC9 since last Wedensday and took to the shop to test fire different rounds and ordered 5 extra mags with it and Ruger sent it to me and after test firing different fmj and hp rounds,we ordered 30 of them and will test fire 200 rounds thru them before we shipp to dealers. I only work parttime for a relative that has owned my shop since I feel ill back in 97. So,the LC9 is way better and the reasons why are,trigger guard opening between the PF9 and LC9 is that the LC9 is big enough trigger guard to get trigger finger in to work trig all the way back and to the front with room to spare. PF9 does not.

KAS1981
May 21, 2011, 08:02 PM
I bought my LC9 last weekend. I've put 150 rounds through it so far without fail. I'm struggling with the trigger a little, but my practical accuracy with it as been acceptable. All in all, I like the little gun.

A couple days ago I happen to come across a Taurus 709 at a local gun shop. I had not seen a 709, or never really gave it much though while I was searching for a sub-compact, single-stack 9mm.

Turns out I actually liked the feel of the 709 in my hand much better than my LC9. It just fit better. The trigger also felt 10x better for my tastes. Kudos to Taurus for including two magazines with their pistol!

I'm almost tempted to trade the LC9, but I'm leery of the 709's reliability & durability. I'm also not entirely sold on a striker-fired pistol over hammer-fired. I suppose either system is equally prone to failure.

If both pistols were of equal reliability, I'd take the 709 over the LC9.

JustinJ
May 22, 2011, 12:21 PM
The LC9 has a couple of features i dont care for but I like mine and it has been nothing but reliable. Before the LC9 came out i considered the Taurus slime 9. Everyone i've talked to with a taurus of any kind tells me how great their customer service is which is why i didn't buy one.

harmon rabb
May 22, 2011, 05:02 PM
I've never handled a LC9, but I own a Taurus 709. Good little gun. Very nice trigger for a striker pistol, once you get used to it, and soaks up recoil very very well. Mine has had zero issues.

KAS1981
May 22, 2011, 06:29 PM
Everyone i've talked to with a taurus of any kind tells me how great their customer service is which is why i didn't buy one.

LOL that's a good way of looking at it. I'd rather not have to deal with any customer service.

I've read about a lot of problems with the 709, but then again if you go looking you can dig up lots of issues with the LC9 as well, none of which I've experienced.

I suppose I could go buy the 709, and shoot the crap out of both pistols, then keep the one I end up liking better.

Giterboosted
May 22, 2011, 06:54 PM
Haven't had the opportunity to mess w the ruger but purchased the pt709 slim recently and am absolutely in love, I've gotten to where I arry it more than my glock or 1911, or even my sig, it feels amazing, decently accurate, a GREAT trigger for what it is, and I barely even know it's there all day, they Also have a pt740 slim if you're lookin for more punch, but the nine has almost zero recoil for me and I'm an avg sized guy

J_McLeod
May 22, 2011, 10:44 PM
Same thing with me. Have a 709, but not the LC9. 709 is a great pistol. I like my PF9 better, but only for the size. The 709 is a better pistol in every other aspect.

surewould
June 7, 2011, 12:40 PM
I own both pistols. I am more acurate and comfortable shooting the 709, especially because of the trigger, a treat to double T. BUT, this is only when the pistol actually functions correctly. I have a FTE on just about every mag, usually 5th or 6th shot. It is on its 3rd visit to Cust Service.

Results of 1st visit - firearm returned with doc that says some part was replaced. Went to range tried 5 magazines, each had FTE.
Returned again.

Results of 2nd visit - Got "snotty" attitude from "cust serv" rep when I insisted on getting prepaid shipping from them.
It is now in for 3rd visit because upon return from 2nd visit, I could not test fire because now the magazine will not come out of the pistol.

I am now asking for a complete replacement of the firearm, no more free repairs. I can no longer depend on this pistol as a carry weapon.

This is my Real Life experience with both guns. Although I would rather have the 709 as my carry, I can't do that as this current offering is NOT reliable. The LC9 has been flawless with over 500 Rnds thru her already. I'm not as accurate as with the 709 but I'm a damn sight more confident in it.

BTW - the same exact ammo was used at the same time in both the 709, LC9 and my M&P9c so its not an ammo issue. WWB

I did originally qualify with a Taurus Milenium Pro and it seemed to be a perfect performing pistol. I sold it because M&P series was more "Lefty" friendly and it's American made.

So, IF they send me a new firearm and IF it performs PERFECTLY for at least 500 Rnds at the range, then I would probably say that I carry the 709 as my carry.

Thats My Experience so far

Surewould

surewould
July 6, 2011, 06:31 PM
UPDATE - Today is July 6th. Still no update from CS except to say it is in line for "The Review Board". It has been in Miami over 4 weeks, they received it on June 3rd, and remember, this was its 3rd visit to CS so I've been without my carry weapon for several months. I've left a voicemail for "Robert" the supervisor of CS. CS first received this pistol on 4/22/2011, then again on 5/4/2011 and again on 6/3/2011. You do the math, this is Customer DIS-service at its best.

RightCoastBiased
July 6, 2011, 07:03 PM
I've got 600+ rounds through my LC9 and have had not one issue. I removed the thumb safety and mag safety recently and like it even more. I carry it daily in a desantis pro stealth and I barley even remember its there. Great gun, looks great and it will soon be my M&P45's backup gun for duty. I'll most likely carry it in a pocket holster, as IWB would be inaccessible and not to mention uncomfortable behind a duty belt/tucked in shirt.

I've never shot the Taurus, much less owned it. So I can not speak to its quality. However, the LC9 is american made and I've heard great things on line about their CS being quick and responsive to issues. Though everyone I know personally with a Ruger product has never had to send one back.

Also, the LC9 just looks better.

Ed4032
July 6, 2011, 07:42 PM
I have the Taurus 709 and I love it. However the Taurus customer service is absolutely horrible. I had to use them for a different gun and because of that I've determined to never buy another. My 709 is a great gun and I carry it regularly. But you NEVER want to use Taurus customer service. That means the nod goes to Ruger.

TXSurf
July 6, 2011, 07:56 PM
UPDATE - Today is July 6th. Still no update from CS except to say it is in line for "The Review Board". It has been in Miami over 4 weeks, they received it on June 3rd, and remember, this was its 3rd visit to CS so I've been without my carry weapon for several months. I've left a voicemail for "Robert" the supervisor of CS. CS first received this pistol on 4/22/2011, then again on 5/4/2011 and again on 6/3/2011. You do the math, this is Customer DIS-service at its best.

From all my experience with Taurus CS (I work for Academy) if its taken you this long from when they received it, with that many trips in a short time period, I would bet you have a new 709 headed your way

gofastman
July 6, 2011, 09:13 PM
I really, really, really like my 709.
I would rather not have a DAO pistol if I can avoid it, hence why I traded my PF-9 for the 709 (never looked back BTW)

I cant say Taurus has the best, or even good, customer service, but I definitely wouldn't classify it as "horrible".

Ben86
July 6, 2011, 11:21 PM
I have a 709 and have only handled an LC9. I really like the trigger on the 709, it has some really light take up and then a crisp, clean/moderately weighted break. Recoil isn't bad at all and they are accurate/reliable.

I don't use it now that I have my pm9 though, I should probably sell it. The pm9 just fits my hand better, it's my go to "slim" gun. If I could do it over I'd get the CM9 and save about $200 though.

The only thing I can say about the ruger is that it has a heavier trigger pull and a copious amount of safeties (the least I like is the red flag LCI) on the gun. A good gun none the less I'm sure.

Will this be a pocket or IWB gun?

surewould
July 7, 2011, 12:27 PM
I hope you're right, I'm still waiting to hear . . .

MikePaiN
July 7, 2011, 03:51 PM
I had a PT709 for a while, thought it was going to be my EDC for a long time to come. Until around the 600 or 700 round mark where it went to crap, twice....After the second breakage, that was it for Taurus. I just bought a Ruger LC9 last night and it seems like a keeper, of course I haven't shot it yet I have dry fired the hell out of it, the trigger seems easy enough to deal with......time will tell but so far so good for the LC9.

harmon rabb
July 7, 2011, 04:54 PM
I had a PT709 for a while, thought it was going to be my EDC for a long time to come. Until around the 600 or 700 round mark where it went to crap, twice....After the second breakage, that was it for Taurus. I just bought a Ruger LC9 last night and it seems like a keeper, of course I haven't shot it yet I have dry fired the hell out of it, the trigger seems easy enough to deal with......time will tell but so far so good for the LC9.

what did it do wrong?

the 709 is a great design, i think better than the LC9 and PF-9 because it actually has a trigger that doesn't suck. too bad that Taurus's quality control isn't up to that of Ruger's :(

Yahtzee4U
July 7, 2011, 05:14 PM
I do not own a 709 but I have handled and fired a friends many times and it's a comfortable gun to shoot but I would not count on it's reliability personally, too many jams. Haven't really heard to many things about the lc9, but it is a nice looking gun.

johnnylaw53
July 8, 2011, 07:11 AM
Well I first asked this back in March as always the people here are so helpful. I went ahead and picked the Ruger lc9 up a few weeks ago it was close but with what I was told here and some research I just went ahead with the ruger. so far so good over 400 mix rounds and no function problems at all. The rear sight got loose which bother me as I had heard the front sight getting loose on the very early modles but nothing about the rear. I callrd ruger and was told to just use a little blue loctite and stated that they hasn't hear of the rear sight coming loose. so I did and so far all is well, it fix well in cargo shorts and when i'm in something eles it a good iwb weapon.

be safe

RightCoastBiased
July 8, 2011, 07:40 AM
Johnny, I also had my rear sight comes loose, I had forgotten about that. So you're not the only one.

johnnylaw53
July 9, 2011, 08:10 AM
Rightcoastbiased, did you just loctite it like I was told to?

be safe

RightCoastBiased
July 9, 2011, 02:11 PM
Rightcoastbiased, did you just loctite it like I was told to?

be safe

Johnny, I did not. Though when it happened I thought to apply some loctite. But the sight came loose after about 150 rounds and I've since not had a problem. When it happens again, I'll loctite it.

ssyoumans
July 9, 2011, 02:29 PM
I've owned all 3, LC9, PF9 and 709.
PF9 had extraction and feeding problems and I suspect the mag springs are too weak. Once I replaced them with stiffer ones and loctited in the frankenbolt, extractor screw and didn't have many more problems. Only remaining issue was the mag would be pulled out under recoil force if I used the mag extender. Without it, it was reliable. Has the best trigger and accuracy of the 3.
709: went back to Taurus but could never get all the issues resolved. Failure to fire, failure to extract. CS attempted to fix both, not 100%. The barrel is visibly not centered with the sights and when you pull the trigger he frame to slide flexes resulting in the gun not firing where aimed. The sights couldn't be adjusted any further. Taurus would not recognize this problem so I dumped the gun.
LC9: zero failures of any king in over 400 rounds. Reasonably accurate, but I was never a fan of the trigger but I know I can rely on it every time.
I only have the LC9 now and it is my primary carry pistol.
Ratings: best to worst
Reliability: LC9, (Pf9/709)
Accuracy: PF9, LC9, 709
Trigger: PF9, 709, LC9
Size/weight: PF9, LC9, 709
Sights: 709, LC9, Pf9

Overall, LC9 is awesome out of the box, PF9 you have to do a little tinkering, 709 is a basket case and will end up going back to Taurus if you want it functioning properly.

surewould
July 28, 2011, 03:15 PM
I hope you're right, I'm still waiting to hear . . .
My pistol is back . . . long story short, My PT709 works perfectly. It has been home for 3 days and I have gone to the range and fired 150 rnds each day and it has performed flawlessly . . . as long as I dont try to fire Winchester White Box. This ammo will cause a FTE on literally every magazine I try to load. All other ammo works flawlessly, especially and most importantly, I carry Federal HST LEO ammo, and it has performed perfectly, as does American Eagle FMJ for target shooting, and Magtech and Remington, it just doesn't like the WWB ammo. Although my LC9 and my M&P9C have no problems with the Winchester. Since the 709 mis now performing well with the proper ammo, I do use it as my primary carry, the trigger action is so much more condusive to consistant multiple shots I do enjoy shooting it more than the LC9. But I'm keeping them both.
Case closed for now.

Mike1234567
July 28, 2011, 03:42 PM
I haven't handled the 709 but I have the LC9 a couple times. I dislike the trigger but, for an up-close-and-personal SD carry gun, it's acceptible... slightly better than the Kel-Tec P11 but that isn't saying much. I did look at a subcompact Kahr (PM9 ??) at the same time which had a better trigger but it cost more too. I like the thumb safety on the LC9 because I once dropped a DAO pin-fired pistol muzzle first on concrete so I feel more comfortable with a manual safety.

MikePaiN
July 28, 2011, 04:15 PM
I'd like too take the trigger out of my x2 broken Taurus PT709 and put it in my rock solid Ruger LC9.....That would be a perfect little slim 9mm carry :)

After owning both, I'd have to steer you to the LC9 but its trigger leaves a lot to be desired.

rich642z
July 29, 2011, 01:12 AM
I have 3,000 rounds thru my LC9 and no hangups of any including the recoil rod hasn't broke on me. Great LC9 to have for carry.

kwtz
November 16, 2011, 12:58 AM
I have a Glock 26 and love it. The LC9 doesn't always feed the ammo into the weapon when first snapped in. I bought it even though it had a l o n g trigger pull. I shot a 100 rounds and the second stage of the pull seemed to get harder to pull. It reminded me of a DA revolver and the release I got to where I couldn't tell where on the pull to tell where the release was. To be fair, it is an accurate piece just hard to fire especially after 50 rounds. The Taurus appears to be a weapon similar to my Glock just thinner. I work in the general public and I need for my piece to be invisible --that can't happen with my glock. Does anyone have a comparison between the trigger pulls between the glock and the taurus? Thanks be safe.

Ben86
November 16, 2011, 02:11 PM
709 is a basket case and will end up going back to Taurus if you want it functioning properly.

Mine functioned perfectly from day one, and continued to for the year that I kept it. I only sold it because I liked my Kahr PM9 better, not for reliability or accuracy reasons though.

VBVAGUY
November 16, 2011, 06:15 PM
I have close to 4000 rounds out of my Taurus PT709 without any problems whatsoever. I would estimate about 500 of those rounds were +P rounds. Also I still have the same original recoil spring assemby. I hope this helps. God Bless :)

97guns
November 16, 2011, 07:02 PM
as soon as i find decent price a used lc9 im on it, i have one already with 1000 flawless rounds through it. i figure they should be flooding the secondary market any minute now with all these guys that cant shoot it.

GunFit
November 17, 2011, 12:07 AM
I've got 600+ rounds through my LC9 and have had not one issue. I removed the thumb safety and mag safety recently and like it even more. I carry it daily in a desantis pro stealth and I barley even remember its there. Great gun, looks great and it will soon be my M&P45's backup gun for duty. I'll most likely carry it in a pocket holster, as IWB would be inaccessible and not to mention uncomfortable behind a duty belt/tucked in shirt.

I've never shot the Taurus, much less owned it. So I can not speak to its quality. However, the LC9 is american made and I've heard great things on line about their CS being quick and responsive to issues. Though everyone I know personally with a Ruger product has never had to send one back.

Also, the LC9 just looks better.
I do not like the magazine safety on the LC9. Removing it voids the warranty correct?

I have handled both the 709 and LC9 but have fired neither. The Taurus feels better and I prefer the trigger. The manual safety is much easier to manipulate as well but sticks out more. The Ruger is a little smaller and easier to conceal. The Taurus has the double strike feature which I like. The Ruger just has features I do not like (mag safety, long DA trigger, and stiff manual safety).

Bersa just released a pocket 9 that may be worth looking at to compare. It is 8+1, LC9 sized, but a little thicker, no manual safety. Seems like a nice gun but it barely hit the market recently. It also lists at a lower price than the 709 and LC9.

exavid
November 17, 2011, 02:22 AM
I had a Taurus 738 and really liked it until the slide blew apart. Up til then it was a nice shooting gun, after than not so much. Taurus replaced it for me with a 740 Slim. I really liked the trigger on that gun and it shot very accurately for me. It was an easy gun to conceal as well. Unfortunately it began to have light strike problems on several different types of ammo and twice emptied the magazine with one trigger pull. Handy if you want to have a very compact machine pistol but not for much else. It disappointed me because I liked both Taurus guns but they just didn't hold up for me. On the other hand though I don't have an LC9 I do have a LCP, SR9 and SR40c all of which afe 100% reliable and foolproof.

doc540
November 17, 2011, 12:05 PM
Owned'em both

LC9, hand's down

flat, accurate, inexpensive, dependable, very concealable

Fastcast
November 17, 2011, 02:12 PM
My brothers Taurus 709 is JUNK.....FTF, FTE, light strikes, slide flies off while shooting (lucky it didn't kill us) you name it, its done it. Brings back old memories of a Jennings J22 :barf:

Like others have said, the 709 is a nice design and does have a nice trigger and seems like it could be a good carry pistol IF it works but even if so for how long? Bad news all over the web about the 709, why anyone would take a chance is beyond me. My brother bought his when they first came out so they had no track record but Taurus sure did.....I tried to advise him NO but he didn't listen. :rolleyes:

doc540
November 17, 2011, 02:19 PM
No problems with the trigger system on the LC9.

First 7 rounds down the pipe:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Ruger%20LC9/TargetLC9-1.jpg

SIGLBER
November 17, 2011, 02:38 PM
At my range the Rugers have been solid performers. Taurus have been hit or miss. I'd get the Ruger.

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