Saw a used Hi Point C9 sell at auction today.....


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Geneseo1911
March 26, 2011, 08:28 PM
for $275 !!! :what:

I just don't get it. I think most of the bidders were Amish, so that might explain it. I suppose they don't get to go to a gun store....ever, although I am also surprised the Amish would have any interest in a 9mm handgun. I was bidding on something else (big auction with multiple auctioneers), so I didn't get to see who actually bought it, just heard the final price.

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browneu
March 26, 2011, 08:39 PM
I don't think the Amish are allowed access to the internet.

belercous
March 26, 2011, 09:46 PM
I've seen used guns sell for more than a new one of the same kind at auctions. I don't get it either.

Actually, some Amish use computers, but only for work purposes. These are usually the higher order Amish, closer to the Mennonites.

marv
March 26, 2011, 10:09 PM
What's internet got to do with it? The O.P. said he saw it go at auction, not internet.

cyclopsshooter
March 26, 2011, 10:13 PM
This is how gun prices get jacked up, hmmm... i have one for sale in my store for 150...

Frozen North
March 26, 2011, 10:39 PM
There are many misconceptions about the Amish. Just like any religion, there are hardliners and those who dwell on the outer edges. Most in my area use modern agricultural practices and machinery. They know that they must make a living out there or they will see a total end to the lifestyle they hold so dear.

Sounds like a good cheap gun to butcher hogs and steers.

Too bad they can't research the value of items as easily as we can.

GojuBrian
March 26, 2011, 10:40 PM
What's internet got to do with it? The O.P. said he saw it go at auction, not internet.

My guess would be that they can't research the price they should go for.


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Starship1st
March 27, 2011, 03:06 AM
Someone got caught up in a bidding frenzy and lost their head. :cool:

bannockburn
March 27, 2011, 03:33 AM
Actually the Amish do not use anything that requires electricity. Every appliance they own is either mechanical in operation or else it uses some form of natural gas (propane, etc.). Some will ride in a car, van, or truck, but they won't own one or drive one. As far as guns go, they primarily use them to hunt with, so shotguns and rifles are what the Amish have the most use for.

Geneseo1911
March 27, 2011, 03:38 AM
Sounds like a good cheap gun to butcher hogs and steers.

Thank you...that makes sense. I wasn't too surprised that they wouldn't know the "going rate", but what really confused me was what use they would have for it. I found this at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, referring to the schoolhouse shooting a few years ago:

Turn-the-other-cheek, love-your-enemies pacificism is inextricably linked to nearly every aspect of Amish daily life. Some Amish people use guns to hunt, and most agree with the bumper-sticker sentiment "Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People." But Amish do not believe in using guns against humans, not in self-defense -- not even pretending to have a gun, said Mr. Troyer.

"If I'd have seen this guy [Roberts] walking into the schoolhouse, mind you, I'd have tried to stop him," he said. "It wouldn't be a sin to hold him down and take his weapon. We would not shoot him, though. Thou shalt not kill. I'd want to talk to him and tell him about the word and the savior; then he could make his confession to the Lord and live a righteous life."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06277/727246-85.stm#ixzz1Ho3tQEe6

I know every group has slightly different beliefs. I understand that the group in our area does indeed use guns to hunt, as there is an ongoing kerfuffle regarding requiring the Amish to have their photos on their FOID cards, but a C9 would be more or less useless to hunt with.

However, a 9mm handgun would be ideal for putting down a hog. Don't know why I couldn't come up with that.

jcwit
March 27, 2011, 10:00 AM
Actually the Amish do not use anything that requires electricity. Every appliance they own is either mechanical in operation or else it uses some form of natural gas (propane, etc.). Some will ride in a car, van, or truck, but they won't own one or drive one. As far as guns go, they primarily use them to hunt with, so shotguns and rifles are what the Amish have the most use for.


This statement is full of misconceptions.

Geneseo1911
March 27, 2011, 11:07 AM
That is one thing that is confusing about the Amish; each group makes their own rules, more or less.

Many of the Amish in the Arcola/Arthur IL area (where the auction was) do in fact use large tractors and modern equipment in their farming operations. Some farm exclusively with horses. They are not allowed to be connected to the electric grid, but you often hear a generator running. The auction barn was lit with a combination of gas lights and electric that were powered by small generators. The sound system ran off the generators as well.

Most businesses have a phone, although the older generation will openly complain that the young people use the phone too much. A phone cannot be in the residence.

My dad had wood floors put in his house by an Amishman. He used power tools. He also owned the truck (a NICE Powerstroke), but hired a non-Amishman to drive him around in it.

If anyone knows anything more specific about Amish views on guns, and especially on self-defense in general, I'd love to hear it.

Frozen North
March 27, 2011, 11:17 AM
The Amish in my area too are not "connected to the grid" but use generators to make electricity.

youngda9
March 27, 2011, 11:29 AM
The amish in my area love guns, alcohol(and driving buggies). They ride in cars that they own, driven by a non-amish, to the job sight...they are involved in home building/framing heavily in my area. They are allowed to have cell phones as long as they are for business purposes.

I hear the local in-charge guy sets the rules as to what they are allowed to do.

danprkr
March 27, 2011, 01:32 PM
Fascinating, I live in an area with no Amish, and for some reason they came up in dinner conversation yesterday but none of knew what the heck we were talking about. I guess I'm not the only one. But fascinating nevertheless.

browneu
March 27, 2011, 02:25 PM
Fascinating, I live in an area with no Amish, and for some reason they came up in dinner conversation yesterday but none of knew what the heck we were talking about. I guess I'm not the only one. But fascinating nevertheless.


That's too bad. They make wonderful cheeses, bread, pastries, furniture, and anything else handcrafted. The Amish in northeast Ohio are great and taking trips up there have always been a family past time.

Back to the OP. I'm so used to online auctions I didn't think of an auction in person, which would explain the assumption of the Amish. They probably didn't know the true value of the firearm when bidding.

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